Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: Climate Change Committee: Half of homes need heat pump by 2040 - BBC News - yes, that will happen for sure I think the heat pump will be looked back on as a dead-end technology, rather like lader-disc or fax machines. Edited 26 February 2025 by Trav Le Bleu 1
Dahnsouff Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 5 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I think the heat pump will be looked back on as a dead-end technology, rather like lader-disc or fax machines. Maybe. As an earlier adopter, we would have to move back to VHS
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 And finally... Fake legs used as a pointer for pothole https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c234vr5nn57o.amp
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Maybe. As an earlier adopter, we would have to move back to VHS If you wind the tape fast enough, it'll keep your house warm.
blabyboy Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 2 hours ago, leicsmac said: So it would seem, though there are some outliers (including, interestingly enough, the Chinese). Really? Would you mind sharing your working out please?
kenny Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: Climate Change Committee: Half of homes need heat pump by 2040 - BBC News - yes, that will happen for sure Assuming that Anglea Rayner builds 300k homes per year for the next 15 years and every single one has a heat pump then that will form 13% straight away. You will probably have to ignore the fact that we won't build that many and hardly any have heat pumps in the above calculation however.
Dahnsouff Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 3 minutes ago, kenny said: Assuming that Anglea Rayner builds 300k homes per year for the next 15 years and every single one has a heat pump then that will form 13% straight away. You will probably have to ignore the fact that we won't build that many and hardly any have heat pumps in the above calculation however. Its a fair point, even if it is one you treated with a large dollop of realism.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 17 minutes ago, kenny said: Assuming that Anglea Rayner builds 300k homes per year for the next 15 years and every single one has a heat pump then that will form 13% straight away. She's going to be busy! 1
Popular Post leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Popular Post Posted 26 February 2025 1 hour ago, blabyboy said: Really? Would you mind sharing your working out please? Certainly. The Chinese are building renewable energy infrastructure at an absolutely ferocious rate, helped by considerable economies of scale. They're already by far the biggest user of it, the total proportion of renewable energy they use has gone from roughly 20% to over 35% in the last fifteen years and the rate of increase keeps going up, and they've reached the point where clean energy additions outstrip energy need growth, which means they no longer need to rely on fossil fuels for any new infrastructure at all and use of it will fall away, if they so choose. Yes, they're also the largest emitter by volume (though in no way by capita) in the world, they have built more coal plants alongside all the clean energy additions, and they're behind a lot of nations in terms of controlling those emissions, but the sheer speed and scale at which they're implementing their infrastructure means they're catching up fast. The general point being that they're taking the problem seriously, unlike quite a few places including the US (the second largest emitter with a quarter of their population). There seems to be a rather lasting stereotype at play regarding the Chinese on this matter, but the truth is that a lot of that is rather a lot of commentators engaging in cultural chauvinism and looking down their overlong noses at them, while all the time they're actually doing the work that might prevent a great deal of death and suffering in the end. And their citizens are on board about it all, too (attitudes in China towards climate change was part of my Masters thesis). In addition, Canada, New Zealand, quite a bit of Latin America and Scandinavia, and also quite a few Central African nations are also highly powered by renewable sources. Which leaves the big issue, and the responsibility for failure, in the hands of the bigger emmiting nations that aren't engaging in the necessary changes at the necessary speed - namely the US, Russia and India. Additionally, the North African and Middle Eastern nations, mainly because their economies rely so highly on fossil fuels. In short, there seem to be no shortage of nations and leaders looking to the future. But this is a global issue, and if as much of the globe doesn't join in (particularly the biggest players), there will be failure with dreadful consequences, and that will be squarely on the heads of those who chose not to make the change. 6
ajthefox Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I think the heat pump will be looked back on as a dead-end technology, rather like lader-disc or fax machines. They won't be, commercially they are far more common than in residential property. 1 hour ago, kenny said: Assuming that Anglea Rayner builds 300k homes per year for the next 15 years and every single one has a heat pump then that will form 13% straight away. You will probably have to ignore the fact that we won't build that many and hardly any have heat pumps in the above calculation however. We haven't been hitting house-building targets for the last 20 years plus. Every government knows we need more and I guess they say they will get developers building more because it's good for votes but I think the reality is that it is always going to be more complicated than people want it to be.
Clogger_ Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 The current effort to use Chagos to discredit the announced increase in defence spending *ahead of Starmer's visit to Washington* is absolutely treacherous. To the gallows, one and all. 2
kenny Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 32 minutes ago, ajthefox said: They won't be, commercially they are far more common than in residential property. We haven't been hitting house-building targets for the last 20 years plus. Every government knows we need more and I guess they say they will get developers building more because it's good for votes but I think the reality is that it is always going to be more complicated than people want it to be. The only way they get built is if the government finances the builds themselves. The reduction in interest has stirred some activity amongst the housebuilders and they have been recruiting since January, but I expect this year to be a very low number of completed homes.
leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 15 minutes ago, Clogger_ said: The current effort to use Chagos to discredit the announced increase in defence spending *ahead of Starmer's visit to Washington* is absolutely treacherous. To the gallows, one and all. From the type of people who are happy to see the "special relationship" including tortu- sorry, "enhanced interrogation" at the CIA blacksite there - with British complicity - continue, no doubt.
Dr The Singh Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 34 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Certainly. The Chinese are building renewable energy infrastructure at an absolutely ferocious rate, helped by considerable economies of scale. They're already by far the biggest user of it, the total proportion of renewable energy they use has gone from roughly 20% to over 35% in the last fifteen years and the rate of increase keeps going up, and they've reached the point where clean energy additions outstrip energy need growth, which means they no longer need to rely on fossil fuels for any new infrastructure at all and use of it will fall away, if they so choose. Yes, they're also the largest emitter by volume (though in no way by capita) in the world, they have built more coal plants alongside all the clean energy additions, and they're behind a lot of nations in terms of controlling those emissions, but the sheer speed and scale at which they're implementing their infrastructure means they're catching up fast. The general point being that they're taking the problem seriously, unlike quite a few places including the US (the second largest emitter with a quarter of their population). There seems to be a rather lasting stereotype at play regarding the Chinese on this matter, but the truth is that a lot of that is rather a lot of commentators engaging in cultural chauvinism and looking down their overlong noses at them, while all the time they're actually doing the work that might prevent a great deal of death and suffering in the end. And their citizens are on board about it all, too (attitudes in China towards climate change was part of my Masters thesis). In addition, Canada, New Zealand, quite a bit of Latin America and Scandinavia, and also quite a few Central African nations are also highly powered by renewable sources. Which leaves the big issue, and the responsibility for failure, in the hands of the bigger emmiting nations that aren't engaging in the necessary changes at the necessary speed - namely the US, Russia and India. Additionally, the North African and Middle Eastern nations, mainly because their economies rely so highly on fossil fuels. In short, there seem to be no shortage of nations and leaders looking to the future. But this is a global issue, and if as much of the globe doesn't join in (particularly the biggest players), there will be failure with dreadful consequences, and that will be squarely on the heads of those who chose not to make the change. I have to say, I love the way China has positioned itself, there position is Carbon Nuetral by 2060. However as much as they spend on 'clean energy' they yet created more coal power stations in 2024 than 10 years. So this noise about dirty China does carry weight.
leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 16 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: I have to say, I love the way China has positioned itself, there position is Carbon Nuetral by 2060. However as much as they spend on 'clean energy' they yet created more coal power stations in 2024 than 10 years. So this noise about dirty China does carry weight. ... to satisfy their existing power demand, yes. However, they are changing far more rapidly in this matter than any other big nation. I'd lay good money they'll be carbon neutral before the US is and quite a bit before 2060 given the current stances, tbh. They are not the problem on this one, in spite of (mostly American) commentators using them as such and as an excuse to not change themselves.
Dr The Singh Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: ... to satisfy their existing power demand, yes. However, they are changing far more rapidly in this matter than any other big nation. I'd lay good money they'll be carbon neutral before the US is and quite a bit before 2060 given the current stances, tbh. They are not the problem on this one, in spite of (mostly American) commentators using them as such and as an excuse to not change themselves. True, but nothing stopped them from looking to alternatives than the biggest pollution sources.
leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: True, but nothing stopped them from looking to alternatives than the biggest pollution sources. Yeah, they took the quick and ugly route. But that route has now been travelled and they're no longer in a position to have to rely on it going forward, and more importantly they want to prove to the world that is the case. I'm not sure I can say the same for the other big players right now. Edited 26 February 2025 by leicsmac
Dr The Singh Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Yeah, they took the quick and ugly route. But that route has now been travelled and they're no longer in a position to have to rely on it going forward, and more importantly they want to prove to the world that is the case. I'm not sure I can say the same for the other big players right now. You reckon, 2024, was only last year, and Coal Power Stations creations have more than doubled in 4 years, and increased by over 20% than 2023, those darn Chinese dirty dowgs. Doesn't sound like they want to prove anything or are going to change. They will be dirty whenever they want and that stats and facts show it.
leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: You reckon, 2024, was only last year, and Coal Power Stations creations have more than doubled in 4 years, and increased by over 20% than 2023, those darn Chinese dirty dowgs. Doesn't sound like they want to prove anything or are going to change. They will be dirty whenever they want and that stats and facts show it. Those stats also show they're trending in the right rather than the wrong direction, but I guess only time is going to tell on that. Like I said, a lot of people are prepared to criticise them and use them as an excuse when India, Russia and the US are all moving much slower along the road of progress than they are.
Dr The Singh Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 Just now, leicsmac said: Those stats also show they're trending in the right rather than the wrong direction, but I guess only time is going to tell on that. Like I said, a lot of people are prepared to criticise them and use them as an excuse when India, Russia and the US are all moving much slower along the road of progress than they are. What stats are those? The stats show they are increasing creating Coal Power Stations at a greater rate? From 2019, there has been a year on year % increase, 100% more in 2024 than 2021. India are no better, don't know about the US or Russia.
Spudulike Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 1 hour ago, Clogger_ said: The current effort to use Chagos to discredit the announced increase in defence spending *ahead of Starmer's visit to Washington* is absolutely treacherous. To the gallows, one and all. Starmer tells us the Government are increasing spending on defence to keep us safe (the first priority of any Government) when we all know that we're more likely to freeze to death, die in an ambulance or get stabbed than killed by Putin.
leicsmac Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 5 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: What stats are those? The stats show they are increasing creating Coal Power Stations at a greater rate? From 2019, there has been a year on year % increase, 100% more in 2024 than 2021. India are no better, don't know about the US or Russia. https://www.statista.com/statistics/265491/chinese-coal-consumption-in-oil-equivalent/ Are you sure about that? Coal consumption stats suggest otherwise. None of the other three nations mentioned are upping their % use if renewable energy sources at anywhere near the rate that China is. India, due to its sheer population and therefore increasing energy demand, could become a big problem there.
Tommy G Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 6 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Starmer tells us the Government are increasing spending on defence to keep us safe (the first priority of any Government) when we all know that we're more likely to freeze to death, die in an ambulance or get stabbed than killed by Putin. Spare a thought for David Miliband in all this - he is spearheading the criticism for Starmer cutting foreign aid to fund the defence spend increase whilst taking a £1m+ salary as the IRC CEO
Dr The Singh Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 10 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/265491/chinese-coal-consumption-in-oil-equivalent/ Are you sure about that? Coal consumption stats suggest otherwise. None of the other three nations mentioned are upping their % use if renewable energy sources at anywhere near the rate that China is. India, due to its sheer population and therefore increasing energy demand, could become a big problem there. https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-power-plants-reached-10-year-high-in-2024/ 1
Dunge Posted 26 February 2025 Posted 26 February 2025 36 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Starmer tells us the Government are increasing spending on defence to keep us safe (the first priority of any Government) when we all know that we're more likely to freeze to death, die in an ambulance or get stabbed than killed by Putin. I mean… good; let’s keep it that way.
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