Next Manager

[5waller5]

26 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Plymouth not happy: Always been a mardy club (Holloway)....

 

”Argyle can confirm that we have reluctantly allowed Head Coach Miron Muslic to open talks with a 2. Bundesliga side after he expressed his desire to speak with the German team and not return to England.

Despite regular communication since the end of the season, and no mention of any issues, Miron has now made it clear that, after extended periods away from his family, this opportunity provides him the chance to be closer to them after four years on the road.

We are frustrated by this decision, having implemented clear structures, processes and personnel to aid Miron and his coaching staff as we look to return to the Sky Bet Championship at the earliest opportunity.

Not only that, the club have also moved quickly to bring in new signings and received repeated verbal promises from Miron that he was committed to Argyle and would do everything to help the club bounce back to the second tier.

Muslic joined the Greens in January 2025, on a three-and-a-half-year contract, after a period out of the game having departed Cercle Brugge. He will now leave Argyle just four months into that long-term commitment.

We wish him the best for his future career.

We will be making no further comment at this stage.”

Their compensation case outlined publicly 

[Happy Fox]

https://footmundo.co.uk/2024/06/07/leicester-davide-ancelotti-real-madrid

 

If Davide Ancelotti doesn't get the Rangers gig, I am sure we will revisit this.

[David Gutteridge]

15 hours ago, iancognito said:

 

RVN will leave the club when we are officially recognised as a Championship club and our Premiership shares are handed over to one of the promoted teams.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone expecting an imminent announcement will be disappointed. Remember after the last relegation it took 2 weeks to get rid of Dean Smith. It was 16th June by the time they announced his departure.

 

They've learnt nothing. They plan nothing. They're not even self aware enough to realise how utterly disorganised this sh--show all looks.

 

[ClaphamFox]

9 minutes ago, David Gutteridge said:

 

I can understand why waiting until we officially become a Championship club will help in terms of paying compensation to another club for their manager, but why would it be advantageous to wait until then to sack RVN? Surely if there’s a clause in his contract that enables us to give him a lower pay-off if we get relegated, it would have already been activated?

[DezFox]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I can understand why waiting until we officially become a Championship club will help in terms of paying compensation to another club for their manager, but why would it be advantageous to wait until then to sack RVN? Surely if there’s a clause in his contract that enables us to give him a lower pay-off if we get relegated, it would have already been activated?

I have no idea at all but could there be a clause that if sacked in championship pay off would be less. Obviously it would not have been originally designed for this scenario but may have been made to allow us to sack him say if he stayed on and wasn’t doing well in championship. Say for example he made a really good fist of it and we just went down, a clause to sack him for cheaper the following year maybe. I’m clutching at straws here. 

[Kitchandro]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I can understand why waiting until we officially become a Championship club will help in terms of paying compensation to another club for their manager, but why would it be advantageous to wait until then to sack RVN? Surely if there’s a clause in his contract that enables us to give him a lower pay-off if we get relegated, it would have already been activated?

And also, just out of respect for everyone - why not just say what’s happening? 
 

‘Ruud will be released from his contract at such-and-such date. We are currently looking for a new long-term replacement’.

 

Just be honest about what’s going on. Let Ruud get on with the res of his life and make it clear you are doing something.

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, DezFox said:

I have no idea at all but could there be a clause that if sacked in championship pay off would be less. Obviously it would not have been originally designed for this scenario but may have been made to allow us to sack him say if he stayed on and wasn’t doing well in championship. Say for example he made a really good fist of it and we just went down, a clause to sack him for cheaper the following year maybe. I’m clutching at straws here. 

Good theory. 

[winteriscoming]

I don’t think it’ll be Martin or Rohl. 
I can see it being Hassenhutl. 

[cityfanlee23]

58 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t think it’ll be Martin or Rohl. 
I can see it being Hassenhutl. 

Would take him 100%

[cityfanlee23]

One thing I cannot understand is the reluctance of clubs to buy managers out of their contract and the general idea that somehow £5-10m for a manager is expensive? 
I remember loads of chat around the time Liverpool signed Slot, with people talking about how expensive the £10m they paid for him was, £10m... for SLOT.... He's completely rejuvenated the club, he's worth £100m to that club in terms of the impact he's had. 

For me, a good manager is worth more than a single player in most circumstances. Look at how much Skipp cost us, then compare him to the value Ranieri, Rodgers(in the first 18-24 months), Pearson and Puel brought to the club. All of them are worth more than Skipp, but you'd never pay £25m for them if they were at another club. 

If the club are reluctant to sign a manager from another club because they are going to cost us 2.5m or 5m or whatever the fee is, but they are likely preparing to spend more than that on multiple players for the squad, we have become lost somewhere along the line. 
Managers are absolutely integral to football clubs, in most circumstances, individual players are not. 

Edited 30 May 2025 by cityfanlee23

[Richard]

1 hour ago, DezFox said:

I have no idea at all but could there be a clause that if sacked in championship pay off would be less. Obviously it would not have been originally designed for this scenario but may have been made to allow us to sack him say if he stayed on and wasn’t doing well in championship. Say for example he made a really good fist of it and we just went down, a clause to sack him for cheaper the following year maybe. I’m clutching at straws here. 

He's likely got a relegation wage drop clause. So the compensation due for the length of his contract would be reduced once we are in the Championship again

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing i've cannot understood is the reluctance of clubs to buy managers out of their contract and the general idea that somehow £5-10m for a manager is expensive? 
I remember loads of chat around the time Liverpool signed Slot, with people talking about how expensive the £10m they paid for him was, £10m... for SLOT.... He's completely rejuvenated the club, he's worth £100m to that club in terms of the impact he's had. 

For me, a good manager is worth more than a single player in most circumstances. Look at how much Skipp cost us, then compare him to the value Ranieri, Rodgers(in the first 18-24 months), Pearson and Puel brought to the club. All of them are worth more than Skipp, but you'd never pay £25m for them if they were at another club. 

If the club are reluctant to sign a manager from another club because they are going to cost us 2.5m or 5m or whatever the fee is, but they are likely preparing to spend more than that on multiple players for the squad, we have become lost somewhere along the line. 
Managers are absolutely integral to football clubs, in most circumstances, individual players are not. 

Look at who was available when Rodgers was fvcking everything up. 
Slot, Glasner and Emery were at clubs but they were definitely gettable. 
Look at what they are doing now in the premiership. 
Still pisses me off now on who we missed out on. 

[Tommy G]

3 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing i've cannot understood is the reluctance of clubs to buy managers out of their contract and the general idea that somehow £5-10m for a manager is expensive? 
I remember loads of chat around the time Liverpool signed Slot, with people talking about how expensive the £10m they paid for him was, £10m... for SLOT.... He's completely rejuvenated the club, he's worth £100m to that club in terms of the impact he's had. 

For me, a good manager is worth more than a single player in most circumstances. Look at how much Skipp cost us, then compare him to the value Ranieri, Rodgers(in the first 18-24 months), Pearson and Puel brought to the club. All of them are worth more than Skipp, but you'd never pay £25m for them if they were at another club. 

If the club are reluctant to sign a manager from another club because they are going to cost us 2.5m or 5m or whatever the fee is, but they are likely preparing to spend more than that on multiple players for the squad, we have become lost somewhere along the line. 
Managers are absolutely integral to football clubs, in most circumstances, individual players are not. 

You need some therapy - I can spot Danny Rohl all over this post 

[cityfanlee23]

17 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

You need some therapy - I can spot Danny Rohl all over this post 

 Honestly it wasn't actually about DR directly, he's part of that conversation but it was more aimed towards our reluctance to go for managers in jobs in the past also such as Corberan last season because of the £4m buyout, and the fact we are now likely to go for the cheaper option again with Martin/Dyche etc, there are a fair few managers i'd go for who would cost us compared to RM

Just can't get my head around the idea that a manager for a few million is "expensive" but a bang average championship player for £5-10m is somehow normal.

Edited 29 May 2025 by cityfanlee23

[Number 6]

22 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing i've cannot understood is the reluctance of clubs to buy managers out of their contract and the general idea that somehow £5-10m for a manager is expensive? 
I remember loads of chat around the time Liverpool signed Slot, with people talking about how expensive the £10m they paid for him was, £10m... for SLOT.... He's completely rejuvenated the club, he's worth £100m to that club in terms of the impact he's had. 

For me, a good manager is worth more than a single player in most circumstances. Look at how much Skipp cost us, then compare him to the value Ranieri, Rodgers(in the first 18-24 months), Pearson and Puel brought to the club. All of them are worth more than Skipp, but you'd never pay £25m for them if they were at another club. 

If the club are reluctant to sign a manager from another club because they are going to cost us 2.5m or 5m or whatever the fee is, but they are likely preparing to spend more than that on multiple players for the squad, we have become lost somewhere along the line. 
Managers are absolutely integral to football clubs, in most circumstances, individual players are not. 

Particularly true at clubs like us who don't have a strong long term DoF structure in place.

[aklaxon]

All of the points above are valid ones, and that's why it's got nothing to do with money.

 

They're just incompetent. 

[coolhandfox]

Interesting take that the club has been crap at managerial recruitment: 

 

Since NP left.

 

Ranieri won the PL

Shakespeare took us to a CL last 8

Puel helped build one of the best squads we have ever had.

Rodgers had us consistently competing for the top 6 and won the FA Cup.

Enzo achieved automatic promotion 

 

The season is the only stinker we have had with recruiting Cooper and RVN

Edited 29 May 2025 by coolhandfox

[5waller5]

29 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Interesting take that the club has been crap at managerial recruitment: 

 

Since NP left.

 

Ranieri won the PL

Shakespeare took us to a CL last 8

Puel helped build one of the best squads we have ever had.

Rodgers had us consistently competing for the top 6 and won the FA Cup.

Enzo achieved automatic promotion 

 

The season is the only stinker we have had with recruiting Cooper and RVN

That’s certainly one side of the coin!! 

[moseeds]

3 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing i've cannot understood is the reluctance of clubs to buy managers out of their contract and the general idea that somehow £5-10m for a manager is expensive? 
I remember loads of chat around the time Liverpool signed Slot, with people talking about how expensive the £10m they paid for him was, £10m... for SLOT.... He's completely rejuvenated the club, he's worth £100m to that club in terms of the impact he's had. 

For me, a good manager is worth more than a single player in most circumstances. Look at how much Skipp cost us, then compare him to the value Ranieri, Rodgers(in the first 18-24 months), Pearson and Puel brought to the club. All of them are worth more than Skipp, but you'd never pay £25m for them if they were at another club. 

If the club are reluctant to sign a manager from another club because they are going to cost us 2.5m or 5m or whatever the fee is, but they are likely preparing to spend more than that on multiple players for the squad, we have become lost somewhere along the line. 
Managers are absolutely integral to football clubs, in most circumstances, individual players are not. 

You sound like a very progressive Director of Football 

[winteriscoming]

Available foreign managers who have lost their jobs in the last few weeks who we could get. 

Ole Werner 

Jess Thorup 

Martin Demichelis  

Matias Almeyda 

Carlos Carvahal 

Raffaele Palladino 

 

I desperately don’t want Martin or Dyche.

Experience in this country is absolute nonsense. Enzo, Nuno and Bielsa prove that. As well as Le Bris this season at Sunderland. 
 

 

 

 

[Guest Bilo]

8 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Good theory. 

My suspicion is that there is a reduction in any severance package if we are a Championship club, and we are not yet officially that. Same scenario as with Röhl's compensation package at Sheffield Wednesday. 

[LestaLad]

6 minutes ago, Bilo said:

My suspicion is that there is a reduction in any severance package if we are a Championship club, and we are not yet officially that. Same scenario as with Röhl's compensation package at Sheffield Wednesday. 

When do we officially become a championship club? 

[Guest Bilo]

2 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

When do we officially become a championship club? 

June 6th at the Premier League AGM where the shares in the PL and EFL are exchanged between promoted and relegated clubs. If we haven't heard by this time next week, expect movement then.

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Interesting take that the club has been crap at managerial recruitment: 

 

Since NP left.

 

Ranieri won the PL

Shakespeare took us to a CL last 8

Puel helped build one of the best squads we have ever had.

Rodgers had us consistently competing for the top 6 and won the FA Cup.

Enzo achieved automatic promotion 

 

The season is the only stinker we have had with recruiting Cooper and RVN

Generally they do get it right. As you’ve said we’ve had more hits than misses with managers. It’s only really been Smith, Cooper and RVN that have been mistakes, but it’s no surprise Cooper and RVN coincide with PSR problems, and Dean Smith was up against it from the off. You can understand why they hung onto Rodgers for so long for some extent, but he tossed the towel in pretty much. 
 

Hopefully, they get it right again. 

[Guest Bilo]

11 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Generally they do get it right. As you’ve said we’ve had more hits than misses with managers. It’s only really been Smith, Cooper and RVN that have been mistakes, but it’s no surprise Cooper and RVN coincide with PSR problems, and Dean Smith was up against it from the off. You can understand why they hung onto Rodgers for so long for some extent, but he tossed the towel in pretty much. 
 

Hopefully, they get it right again. 

I think last season was characterised by panic. They probably didn't expect or want to lose Maresca, but genuinely thought they could get Potter as a replacement.

 

When he said no, they were obviously worried that we'd go into preseason with nobody at the helm and lurid tales of us facing a double figures points deduction, that would basically guarantee relegation, meant that it was a horribly unattractive job that would only attract the genuinely desperate. Step forward Cooper. After a disastrous window and poor start, almost nobody sensible wanted the job. Step forward RVN.

 

This summer might be a bit different even with a possible points deduction. A four to six point deduction probably wouldn't harm our promotion prospects that much (Leeds and Burnley could each have had a six pointer and gone up automatically with two games to spare) and we will have one of the better teams in the division with an excellent academy setup and room to grow as a club if the right man is in place. We were the least attractive club in the Premier League for prospective managers last season, but probably the most attractive Championship vacancy right now.