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[Parafox]

7 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

rather have RVN stay that have someone like Dyche tbf

and thats saying something

 

7 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t want Dyche but I’d have him over Ruud. 

 

Between these two posts I would prefer a manager over an apprentice relying on guesswork.

[ClaphamFox]

34 minutes ago, kingfox said:

But do you realise how ridiculous that sounds though  

 

Having to wait because we’ve fvcked up our accounts so badly, incompetence of the highest order. 
 

Just looking back at the last time we were in the Championship, we appointed Enzo on the 16th June, Southampton appointed Martin on the 21st, Leeds appointed Farke on July 4th. 
 

It took Leeds about 10 Championship games to properly find their groove. 
 

Having the players back in for pre season work, with no real idea who the manager is, is crap preparation. 

Our problems with PSR are largely as a result of incompetence in spending decisions a few seasons ago. I don’t know what our current situation is, but IF waiting until July meant we could recruit a decent manager and avoid a PSR breach, what would be ridiculous about that? Surely it would be more ridiculous to knowingly breach PSR again given that we know the authorities will show us absolutely no mercy?

 

The alternative would be to get someone inferior in on the cheap rather than wait a few weeks, which strikes me as the most ridiculous option of all. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Our problems with PSR are largely as a result of incompetence in spending decisions a few seasons ago. I don’t know what our current situation is, but IF waiting until July meant we could recruit a decent manager and avoid a PSR breach, what would be ridiculous about that? Surely it would be more ridiculous to knowingly breach PSR again given that we know the authorities will show us absolutely no mercy?

 

The alternative would be to get someone inferior in on the cheap rather than wait a few weeks, which strikes me as the most ridiculous option of all. 

I agree, if the reason we are hanging on is to ensure we can get our no1 target then I am all for it, rather than go for a cheap and cheerful shit appointment now. We saw with Cooper the damage that can be done. 

[kingfox]

6 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Our problems with PSR are largely as a result of incompetence in spending decisions a few seasons ago. I don’t know what our current situation is, but IF waiting until July meant we could recruit a decent manager and avoid a PSR breach, what would be ridiculous about that? Surely it would be more ridiculous to knowingly breach PSR again given that we know the authorities will show us absolutely no mercy?

 

The alternative would be to get someone inferior in on the cheap rather than wait a few weeks, which strikes me as the most ridiculous option of all. 

It would be ridiculous mate, because it will just indicate how much of a mess that we’ve got ourselves into. 
 

If we didn’t get ourselves in such financial shit, then you expect our managerial situation to be sorted in June. 
 

If PSR is indeed holding us back, then that’s all the evidence you need on how idiotically run this club is. 
 

If we were a well run club, then we shouldn’t have to wait until July. 
 

It’s just terrible preparation and you’re just inviting more chaos. 

[LCFCJohn]

22 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Our problems with PSR are largely as a result of incompetence in spending decisions a few seasons ago. I don’t know what our current situation is, but IF waiting until July meant we could recruit a decent manager and avoid a PSR breach, what would be ridiculous about that? Surely it would be more ridiculous to knowingly breach PSR again given that we know the authorities will show us absolutely no mercy?

 

The alternative would be to get someone inferior in on the cheap rather than wait a few weeks, which strikes me as the most ridiculous option of all. 

It’s not even a few seasons ago.

 

Ayew, BDR, Skipp, Ndidi, Vestergaard - all signed or renewed last summer

 

Winks, Coady summer before

 

That’s an awful lot of our deadwood/high wages knowingly taken on since the first relegation. I could forgive the decisions further back if recent decisions showed any level of learning from these mistakes.

 

Only today we are linked with Oxlade-Chamberlain!

[cropstonfox]

33 minutes ago, kingfox said:

It would be ridiculous mate, because it will just indicate how much of a mess that we’ve got ourselves into. 
 

If we didn’t get ourselves in such financial shit, then you expect our managerial situation to be sorted in June. 
 

If PSR is indeed holding us back, then that’s all the evidence you need on how idiotically run this club is. 
 

If we were a well run club, then we shouldn’t have to wait until July. 
 

It’s just terrible preparation and you’re just inviting more chaos. 

Or are we being sensible and waiting so we

get our target and avoid being dragged back into the PSR swamp.Lessons learned

Onwards and upwards.

[Dan]

I'll believe it when I see it with the PSR delay and it being about supposedly saving money. If I see a genuine change of strategy (or having one at all would be a nice start) then maybe I'll believe it. I've no idea how this lot still get the benefit of the doubt on here from people.

Edited 7 June 2025 by Dan

[Dan]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

Just to put it into some context and I’m not saying we should but Leeds appointed Farke on the 4th July a couple of years ago. 
They got over 90 points and any other season would have gone up automatically. 

Imo I think we’re still at least a week away from appointing someone. 
I just wish we’d hurry up and get rid of Ruud. 

Having started pretty slowly - you could argue that was probably the difference.

[NAKC20]

2 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Or are we being sensible and waiting so we

get our target and avoid being dragged back into the PSR swamp.Lessons learned

Onwards and upwards.

Knowing our board we will sack RVN and get a new manager in 14 seconds  early so it means its on this seasons accounts 

[kingfox]

4 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Or are we being sensible and waiting so we

get our target and avoid being dragged back into the PSR swamp.Lessons learned

Onwards and upwards.

Nothing sensible about having to wait because we’ve fvcked our accounts up. 
 

It just indicates that we’ve forced ourselves into a situation that we shouldn’t even be in. 
 

If PSR is indeed the issue, let’s just pray Danny Rohl doesn’t end up elsewhere before July hits 

[Winstonthedog]

8 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I haven't seen any other of the other managerless clubs being linked with Dyche. Perhaps they know of his already agreed destination 🤔 

Or maybe nobody else wants him

[John rayner]

On 06/06/2025 at 18:54, Always Next Year said:

Nothing will change from last season, same manager same shit players same old Top and Rudkin ripping the guts out of the club 

IMO Top should sell the club  he doesn't seem to be interested  ,tbh and take that clown Rudhin with you .

 

[deep blue]

4 hours ago, markko said:

You will if we get deducted more points!

The quality of the  manager is more important than a few points deduction. 

 

Just look at how many points Cooper and Nistelroy won over a whole season, and compare it with the number we could have accrued with a half-decent manager.  The difference is almost certainly significantly more than a points deduction, and moreover you then have a decent manager and vibe going into the next season (unless he does a Marescaa disappearing act, but that's always a risk).

[Foxin_Mad]

Waiting until July is the most dumbass thing to do. If they have any intention of promotion they need someone in now. Starting in July is NOT enough time and the manager will be in a difficult position when he starts slowly. 

[ClaphamFox]

Genuinely surprised to see so many people apparently desperate for us to make another mistake like the appointment of Cooper last season. 

[FrankieADZ]

14 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

 

Between these two posts I would prefer a manager over an apprentice relying on guesswork.

and id much prefer a manager who will actually give the youth a chance instead, not one who'd probably want to play the older ones, one who can change etc, i think someone posted in here that Dyche can be very very set in his ways in terms of alot of things

appointing someone like dyche who doesnt fit the sort of style of manager we have had since puel(minus cooper) is just asking for more trouble and more mess

 

but i guess people forget how much better Everton look now under Moyes, even tho hes got the same players etc

on dyche i really dont mind him, but he is not the sort of manager in terms of style, the players we have etc

it would be like a square peg in a round hole

 

[Parafox]

5 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

and id much prefer a manager who will actually give the youth a chance instead, not one who'd probably want to play the older ones, one who can change etc, i think someone posted in here that Dyche can be very very set in his ways in terms of alot of things

appointing someone like dyche who doesnt fit the sort of style of manager we have had since puel(minus cooper) is just asking for more trouble and more mess

 

but i guess people forget how much better Everton look now under Moyes, even tho hes got the same players etc

on dyche i really dont mind him, but he is not the sort of manager in terms of style, the players we have etc

it would be like a square peg in a round hole

 

So you're saying stick with RVN?

 

In my  comment I said "between the two". That means if they were the choices. 

 

Both have their faults but RVN has more faults than Dyche.

[FrankieADZ]

10 minutes ago, Parafox said:

So you're saying stick with RVN?

 

In my  comment I said "between the two". That means if they were the choices. 

 

Both have their faults but RVN has more faults than Dyche.

if i had to go between RVN and dyche then yeah i would,

id rather have Rohl than both

 

getting dyche just feels very short sighted imo, after so many years for getting managers who tend to play a certain way in mind, including players too

but hey dyche isnt going to be the magic wand, as the problems run deep at this club

[kingfox]

4 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Genuinely surprised to see so many people apparently desperate for us to make another mistake like the appointment of Cooper last season. 

Nobody is desperate for us to make another mistake. 
 

I’m just pissed off with the situation we may have found ourselves in. 
 

Potentially waiting until July because of PSR issues is criminal and incompetent. 
 

I think we can all agree, if we were actually a well run club, then Ruud would be out the door by now, with a new manager already in place, or at least in the works to be appointed in 1-2 weeks time. 
 

Yet so far, we have nothing but silence 

[davieG]

15 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s not even a few seasons ago.

 

Ayew, BDR, Skipp, Ndidi, Vestergaard - all signed or renewed last summer

 

Winks, Coady summer before

 

That’s an awful lot of our deadwood/high wages knowingly taken on since the first relegation. I could forgive the decisions further back if recent decisions showed any level of learning from these mistakes.

 

Only today we are linked with Oxlade-Chamberlain!

Resigning Ndidi and Vestergaard for free and renewing Winks and Coady was probably done to reduce the value of players on the books

[dooflip]

Firstly, just want to point out that I’m not a fan of Dyche.

 

BUT…

 

Everton were a complete mess when he went there. He got them steady, did lots of work behind the scenes to sort the mess out. This was recognised by Moyes who said he had left them in good shape. There could be an argument that Dyche did a lot of the ground work for Moyes to then be successful.

 

Dyche is a square peg for us.

But there are reasons we may be appointing him.

 

He would clear the dead wood, sort out the dressing room and the attitude, and sort the defence out.

 

Could we appoint him as a short term fixer, with the view of someone else coming in after a few seasons to then build on that? Quite possibly.

 

Also not having the narrative that Dyche doesn’t give youth a chance. He absolutely does. And Dwight McNeil is actually a good player, he’s just not fancy. How many goals did he score for a poor Everton side last season?

 

Above everything, we need someone who is going to do the things off the pitch. Style is not a priority right now, we are a mess. Let’s worry about style later on when we have survived a season in the premier league.

 

We won’t have much money to spend either, so that is reassuring in that if he did come in, he wouldn’t be spunking big money on workmen. He would largely have to work with what we have, buy a few cheap players, and look at the young lads.

 

Rohl is a better option imo. But I don’t know if it’s possible. There are worse appointments than Dyche given what a mess we are. Dyche is a Pearson type appointment.

 

 

[ronnup]

19 minutes ago, dooflip said:

Firstly, just want to point out that I’m not a fan of Dyche.

 

BUT…

 

Everton were a complete mess when he went there. He got them steady, did lots of work behind the scenes to sort the mess out. This was recognised by Moyes who said he had left them in good shape. There could be an argument that Dyche did a lot of the ground work for Moyes to then be successful.

 

Dyche is a square peg for us.

But there are reasons we may be appointing him.

 

He would clear the dead wood, sort out the dressing room and the attitude, and sort the defence out.

 

Could we appoint him as a short term fixer, with the view of someone else coming in after a few seasons to then build on that? Quite possibly.

 

Also not having the narrative that Dyche doesn’t give youth a chance. He absolutely does. And Dwight McNeil is actually a good player, he’s just not fancy. How many goals did he score for a poor Everton side last season?

 

Above everything, we need someone who is going to do the things off the pitch. Style is not a priority right now, we are a mess. Let’s worry about style later on when we have survived a season in the premier league.

 

We won’t have much money to spend either, so that is reassuring in that if he did come in, he wouldn’t be spunking big money on workmen. He would largely have to work with what we have, buy a few cheap players, and look at the young lads.

 

Rohl is a better option imo. But I don’t know if it’s possible. There are worse appointments than Dyche given what a mess we are. Dyche is a Pearson type appointment.

 

 

 

You lost me at 'but'

[LCFCJohn]

59 minutes ago, davieG said:

Resigning Ndidi and Vestergaard for free and renewing Winks and Coady was probably done to reduce the value of players on the books

We didn’t renew Winks and Coady. We went out and spent big transfer fees on both (for the Championship), more than both were were and slapped them on big wages, again more than should be the case in the Championship.

 

I don’t get what you are referring to by reducing the value of players on the books.

 

The way out of PSR trouble would be to bring in players with resale value and scope

to improve, whilst reducing the wage bill. None of the names I highlighted improve us in the here and now, bring down the wage bill or provide a route forward via resale value.

 

What possible positive is there to these decisions?

[FrankieADZ]

20 minutes ago, dooflip said:

Firstly, just want to point out that I’m not a fan of Dyche.

 

BUT…

 

Everton were a complete mess when he went there. He got them steady, did lots of work behind the scenes to sort the mess out. This was recognised by Moyes who said he had left them in good shape. There could be an argument that Dyche did a lot of the ground work for Moyes to then be successful.

 

Dyche is a square peg for us.

But there are reasons we may be appointing him.

 

He would clear the dead wood, sort out the dressing room and the attitude, and sort the defence out.

 

Could we appoint him as a short term fixer, with the view of someone else coming in after a few seasons to then build on that? Quite possibly.

 

Also not having the narrative that Dyche doesn’t give youth a chance. He absolutely does. And Dwight McNeil is actually a good player, he’s just not fancy. How many goals did he score for a poor Everton side last season?

 

Above everything, we need someone who is going to do the things off the pitch. Style is not a priority right now, we are a mess. Let’s worry about style later on when we have survived a season in the premier league.

 

We won’t have much money to spend either, so that is reassuring in that if he did come in, he wouldn’t be spunking big money on workmen. He would largely have to work with what we have, buy a few cheap players, and look at the young lads.

 

Rohl is a better option imo. But I don’t know if it’s possible. There are worse appointments than Dyche given what a mess we are. Dyche is a Pearson type appointment.

 

 

were a complete mess, they was a mess before he came in and way right until Moshii left, he didnt sort much of a mess out. and dyche doing the ground work for moyes to be successful, im not sure on that, maybe 1 signing in the dyche era has impressed and thats and thats Ndiaye, and as for clearing out the deadwood, i doubt it, he'd probably replace it with deadwood,

bring in dyche as a short term fixer is a waste of time and money too, hed want his own players etc more deadwood

so basically 1 player in his time at Burnley then. kinda sums it all up then doesnt it

people wanting us back in the premier league, need to realise, if we get promoted next season, it will be the same mess as this, we need to build again, plain and simple

and saying Dyche is a person type manager isnt correct either, i think someone posted about that already, hes not even close in terms of Pearson

[Bluearmyfox28]

Out of curiosity, as a championship club would you take Frank Lampard?