Man U Post match

[tomtom]

8 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Absolute brain-dead morons. Let them get on with it. Almost certainly the same people who thought Brendan Rodgers was the second coming of christ

 

But don't forget, they're the "proper fans"

At least Rodgers was good for the first half of his tenure..... before he sabotaged everything 

[fox in the sox]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

For gods sake….. are you serious? Financially we were on our see when we got relegated to league one….. the position we are in today, is a result of amateur decisions made at board level. Completely different scenarios….. 

We were also relegated to League One as a result of amateur decisions yet the person said they went to lots of matches because we were being run well.

[fox in the sox]

1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

It's not about only going when we are winning, or not going because we are losing, it's about going to a football match with the knowledge that we could win, the not knowing is the thrill that gets us to go and enjoy it, to sometimes be the underdog and pull it off, play well and lose, see your team give 100%, to at least have some hope of a win, to know that there is at least a chance of scoring a goal.

All gone at the moment.

So last season or the League One season you don’t go because we pretty much knew we would win a lot of the matches?

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

We were also relegated to League One as a result of amateur decisions yet the person said they went to lots of matches because we were being run well.

I see I’m pissing Into the wind here…….. have the last ten years not computed? Did Manderic have nearly £600m pass through the books? We were a modest club when we were relegated to league one….. it was a completely different club, completely different scenario….. no comparison can be drawn between that era and this…… a decade ago Ulloa was our most expensive player at £8 odd million, and latterly Youri was more £38m odd give or take. 
 

This situation isn’t as simple as you’re portraying it to be…… and a lot of fans are still completely missing the point. 

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, fazzyfox said:

Can just one of the happy clappers come on here and explain what the applause at the end was actually for?

 

I’m a polite, well mannered person, I believe the applause in defeat is usually an appreciation of effort, well, what effort?

 

Feel sorry for Mads, Vardy deserves better players around him, other than that, what? You clapped Clown Faes for his “effort” and “performance”? Soumare? Coady, Justin, Winks? What did you see in them? Are you a seal? Are you unwell? You’re telling the board you’re happy with what’s being served up and we wonder why they don’t act in a decisive pro-active way. Happy clap the caterers, ambulance men and stewards as they put more competence into last night that Wout Faes.

I can only believe it was a sympathetic response. There were loads of Man Utd sleepers and half n half scarfers all over (3 on the row in front of me) that were applauding at the end and quietly singing along with their songs (although didn't celebrate the goals). Assuming season tickets resold.

 

It was torture played out to that monotonous Man U song over and over. It was worst than hearing Everton.

[Garns77]

I thought Conor Coady was meant to be better in a back 5 aswell 

[Bettsj2]

There surely isn't anybody left to excuse what we saw yesterday and i'm not just talking about the performance.

 

Yesterday symbolises everything that is wrong with us as a club.  Zero fight, zero passion, zero desire.  A complete resignation of responsibility as a professional football club.  We started that game with an expectation of defeat and got exactly that.

 

In truth, the team is probably the least of our worries.  The King Power Ownership as a whole, have provided the peak moments that any of us could have even dared to dream of.  However, the goodwill of that has ran dry.  An absolute catalogue of successive poor decisions have left us not just relegated, but in danger of slipping back into the football oblivion that we languished in for so many years (which having done so much hard work to drag us out of, is even more criminal).

 

Unfortunately, Top, Rudkin and Whelan are the ones that are accountable but unfortunately for us, won't be going anywhere in the near future.  We have made ourselves unattractive to any potential suitors and they seem so intertwined, the prospect of any of them going is close to zero.

 

It was a truly depressing watch yesterday.  Players being paid vastly more than their worth, jogging around, flailing their arms in the air with seemingly no coherent plan to work to.  The lack of quality is breathtakingly obvious.  There are posts on this forum from this season citing Soumare as our best midfielder.  As a fanbase, we are complicit in this mess.  Our default is to find the silver lining as it's the only thing that keeps us sane, but we can no longer be blind to it, nor make excuses for any particular player.  To a man, every single player was a disgrace.  RVN cannot be excused.  He has been dealt a bad hand, that much is true and i'm sure after he leaves, the full extent of the lies he was sold to get him through the door will be revealed.  Even with that in mind, how he can look himself in the mirror and call himself a manager after presiding over the last dozen games and not walk away.

 

I don't fear relegation and I don't particularly fear for next season.  I fear for the ongoing existence of the club in general.  

[fox in the sox]

19 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I see I’m pissing Into the wind here…….. have the last ten years not computed? Did Manderic have nearly £600m pass through the books? We were a modest club when we were relegated to league one….. it was a completely different club, completely different scenario….. no comparison can be drawn between that era and this…… a decade ago Ulloa was our most expensive player at £8 odd million, and latterly Youri was more £38m odd give or take. 
 

This situation isn’t as simple as you’re portraying it to be…… and a lot of fans are still completely missing the point. 

Somebody said that they attended lots of games in League One not because we were winning but because the club was being run well. It wasn’t. I agree that it was a different club at the time but that doesn’t change the fact that we weren’t being run well. We weren’t being run well last season but people attended. I do not support the team in that way.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, fox in the sox said:

Somebody said that they attended lots of games in League One not because we were winning but because the club was being run well. It wasn’t. I agree that it was a different club at the time but that doesn’t change the fact that we weren’t being run well. We weren’t being run well last season but people attended. I do not support the team in that way.

Regardless of Mandaric, Pearson in League One got everything spot on, recruitment etc which is exactly why the following season we reached the playoffs. 

Last year you could argue aside from the PSR shit (which stems back to the years prior to last season) wasn't awful, they appointed a manager to play a certain way, signed players to fit his style and ultimately achieved the objective, they undid that straight away when Enzo left though.

[Foxin_Mad]

38 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I see I’m pissing Into the wind here…….. have the last ten years not computed? Did Manderic have nearly £600m pass through the books? We were a modest club when we were relegated to league one….. it was a completely different club, completely different scenario….. no comparison can be drawn between that era and this…… a decade ago Ulloa was our most expensive player at £8 odd million, and latterly Youri was more £38m odd give or take. 
 

This situation isn’t as simple as you’re portraying it to be…… and a lot of fans are still completely missing the point. 

You are spot on.

 

To compare the club then with the club now is ridiculous. Then it was the culmination of 8 years of being a floating turd that didn't flush with bad managers and poor players. 

 

This club is run by inept imbeciles from top to bottom. we have sold players for 80m, 50m etc yet still manage to operate at an astounding loss despite having Premier League income, getting horrific loans from a glorified payday loan company, we have one of the highest wage bills in the division yet I can count the number of decent players we have on 1 hand, we scraped by PSR. Its gross incompetence of the highest order, how these people are in position still is beyond me. There is no confidence any of these clowns can make a good decision on a manager. In any other business they'd be out on their ear for such ineptitude. 

 

We are now years behind the likes of Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth (****ing tin pot Bournemouth!! ffs) its not about us having less money, its about being run in a competent sustainable structured way, we aren't, these lot aren't capable and need to go immediately. 

 

I will not happy clap this lot, I will not thank Top or worship King Power they can **** off, by hanging around they are destroying any legacy they might have had. 

 

We need a proper business man to come in and tighten the purse strings and steady the ship as this club is insolvent in reality. The work done to achieve the great escape. then win the league has been utterly spunked away.  

Edited 17 March by Foxin_Mad

[TJB-fox]

That defending by Wout for their first goal, how does this man get picked for Belgium?

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, TJB-fox said:

That defending by Wout for their first goal, how does this man get picked for Belgium?

That man is stealing a living as a professional footballer. I think I could do a better job than him.

 

He would be better off dying his stupid hair multicoloured and becoming a clown. 

[fox in the sox]

11 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Regardless of Mandaric, Pearson in League One got everything spot on, recruitment etc which is exactly why the following season we reached the playoffs. 

Last year you could argue aside from the PSR shit (which stems back to the years prior to last season) wasn't awful, they appointed a manager to play a certain way, signed players to fit his style and ultimately achieved the objective, they undid that straight away when Enzo left though.

It’s confusing because apparently we have been run badly for years but now you are saying we were run well last season with Rudkin bringing in a good manager and the correct players to fit his style.

[Bettsj2]

8 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

That defending by Wout for their first goal, how does this man get picked for Belgium?

Such a strange thing to watch both him and Soumare in that scenario do the exact opposite of what was required.

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, fox in the sox said:

It’s confusing because apparently we have been run badly for years but now you are saying we were run well last season with Rudkin bringing in a good manager and the correct players to fit his style.

I dont think that was down to Rudkin, probably more Enzo

 

He rolled a dice and got lucky,

 

Still utterly baffling decisions like the wages for Winks and Coady, renewing Vestaguard, signing Cannon for what exactly? We haven't been well run for decades, I include saint Vichai in that. Any decent structure was set by managers not the absolute half witted useless King Power ****wits running the club. 

[Tommy Fresh]

19 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

It’s confusing because apparently we have been run badly for years but now you are saying we were run well last season with Rudkin bringing in a good manager and the correct players to fit his style.

First time I've replied to you brother. In terms of on the pitch, the club did do well last year in terms of recruitment (to get us promoted and suit Enzo's style) and a manager did they not? Perhaps a bit short sighted in terms of recruitment, with some of the players. Everything behind the scenes in terms of PSR etc was still a mess.

Edited 17 March by Tommy Fresh

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, fox in the sox said:

So last season or the League One season you don’t go because we pretty much knew we would win a lot of the matches?

You're missing the point completely, it's not about the winning or losing, it's about knowing when we step onto the pitch we will be competitive and have a chance of winning or even scoring a goal, seeing players give their all for the cause, that is missing at the moment, it's as if players,  coaches and owners don't care, that is the point.

[joachim1965]

48 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

It’s confusing because apparently we have been run badly for years but now you are saying we were run well last season with Rudkin bringing in a good manager and the correct players to fit his style.

We weren't run well last season, yes, we got Enzo and promotion but the people behind the scenes running the club pulled the wool over Enzos eyes with regards to finances and PSR, which Enzo is on record as being annoyed about, maybe he would not have left if he wasn't lied to.

[jayfox26]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

It's been discussed on here a lot last week. 

 

If you want things to change, you really shouldn't be passing your ticket on or using the resale platform. 

 

 

You're right but unfortunately not everybody is in a financial position to lose money. I can understand why some would use the resale platform but I do agree that by not doing so, it hurts the club and could eventually lead to change if enough people did it. What amazes me is that there are people actually wanting to buy tickets off the resale platform. With the way non season ticket holders have been treated recently with there being no general sale and zero ways to be able to get tickets, now they are struggling to fill the stadium, everyone should stick two fingers up to them. 

[fox in the sox]

10 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

We weren't run well last season, yes, we got Enzo and promotion but the people behind the scenes running the club pulled the wool over Enzos eyes with regards to finances and PSR, which Enzo is on record as being annoyed about, maybe he would not have left if he wasn't lied to.

So we were being run badly last season yet I didn’t see many say they would stop going.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 hour ago, Garns77 said:

I thought Conor Coady was meant to be better in a back 5 aswell 

If his podcast is called back 5 yes

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Garns77 said:

I thought Conor Coady was meant to be better in a back 5 aswell 

I thought he was alright last night as well as last week.

 

Can only do so much next to Faes.

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

You're right but unfortunately not everybody is in a financial position to lose money

No ST holder is losing money.... it's already spent. 

 

I think, realistically, there are people who really could do with the 20 quid they get from the resale. I don't mean that patronisingly. I've been there. 

 

But if at all possible, those who CAN afford to forgo the resale platform money should really do so. 

[Footballwipe]

Look, fox in the fox, Mr KPFC embodiment themselves can spout the "I'm better than you" nonsense about going to games or not and do the mental gymnastics as to why people don't attend now and did in X time

 

Let me tell you this, though. I spent my 20's going to games - home and away. I was on coaches all day losing one of my weekend days to watch us. That coincided with mediocre nonsense under Sousa and Sven, as well as winning the fvcking Premier League and the UCL adventure.

 

As time has gone on there's been a mixture of the spark fading enormously, as well as my free time has becoming much more valuable to me. What has hastened all of this, however, is just how woeful the whole experience of supporting this club has become in the last three years or so.

 

Why then would I drag myself to the game last night? A match I knew we were going to lose, and lose easily. I did the same for Brentford. I couldn't be bothered.

 

I dictate how I spend my free time now, not the club's fixture list. Not going out of some blind loyalty of "go through thick and thin," not worrying about missing out on a stunning victory, a spine tingling atmosphere.

 

I dictate how I spend my free time, my free will and how I want to show my dissatisfaction with the club - just like other people are entitled to do and are doing.

 

If people still have that burning spark inside them, have excited kids, chance to catch up with family that is actually quite nice. If you're going down because of some weird sense of pride cos "GOOD TIMES N BAD" then that is entirely within your gift - but don't be surprised that many of us are just completely sick of this club's hierarchy, players, attitude to us, the atmosphere and the zombies who sit in silence for 90 mins before polite applause off the pitch.

 

Football is cyclical, and I am confident that in 2035 we'll be in a better position than we are now. I've no idea what the trigger point will be and when it'll come, but I know it will. Until then me and many others will decide to spend our free time, energies and attention elsewhere. This club has done everything to turn me off being as close to it as I was.

 

(Oh, let's also remember they do not give a shit about you. They'd take your season ticket off you in a heartbeat if they thought they'd get double the price from tourists. They'd make up something or a hypothetical to revoke your season ticket if they wanted to (cos, as we've seen on here, they have already). They'd target you for away checks if they wanted to. The relationship you have with this club is entirely one way. Nothing wrong with that, just as long as you go in with your eyes wide open and realise it.)

[The Guvnor]

We’re not the only club that has been run badly, the one we played last night has been horrendous .

The difference is a smaller club like ours really has to stick to a simple principal, don’t buy a player unless it is going to improve the squad. We don’t have the financial resources of the bigger clubs who can absorb those mistakes, (and they all make them) our recent acquisitions have been unbelievably poor, and that’s why we are in shit street now.