When did you first realise we don't have good owners?

[Gamble92]

Just wondering this because the narrative seems to be pretty much that all the bad decisions were made after Vichai's passing. Many of us weren't happy with a lot of decisions before that but it's hard to be vocal about it when others were making us so successful. 

 

Who would be happy with King Power being the sole focus and only representation anywhere in our stadium if we hadn't had that success? Who'd be happy with them parading the trophy around themselves (with a bizarre picture of the King of Thailand to accompany them)? 

 

I remember having numerous conversations like this way before shit hit the fan. When Rodgers initially came in I thought I felt glad to be proved wrong. Then came all the murmurs of the loans being taken out. But again, I was happy to be told by the 'experts' on here that it's normal practice. But in the end we've ended up here. The coverage around us has finally dropped the amazing owners bullshit. Long gone are the happy clappers faces as they dish out stale donuts. 

 

So when did you first realise we have bad owners? 

[Cincinnati Fox]

Top is a spoilt kid who has been handed everything. I don’t think he is a bad person but he is totally out of his depth.

 

[CH1_Fox]

The lap of honor after lifting the trophy at the Everton game 

[Nolucklcfc]

There were apparently many signs prior to the downfall and under Vichai which I’ve learnt about but personally it was the 22/23 relegation season. 

[RedSoxUK]

When Mandaric sold us to a group of Thai's and Chinese who went on to spend above their means and nearly **** us for decades (if it wasn't for our lords and saviours Nige, Walsh and Shakey.)

 

Writing was on the wall, lucky Leicester.

[Gamble92]

Just now, Nolucklcfc said:

There were apparently many signs prior to the downfall and under Vichai which I’ve learnt about but personally it was the 22/23 relegation season. 

Behind the scenes?

[Gamble92]

Just now, RedSoxUK said:

When Mandaric sold us to a group of Thai's and Chinese who went on to spend above their means and nearly **** us for decades (if it wasn't for our lords and saviours Nige, Walsh and Shakey.)

 

Writing was on the wall, lucky Leicester.

I remember Ian Stringer really grilling him in an interview on the time about this. There was an unknown consortium I believe alongside the Thais. Mandaric didn't give a **** who he was selling to lets face it. 

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Not sacking Rodgers after Warsaw away

 

 

[SemperEadem]

Travelling to Bochum 8~ years ago for the first time and seeing fan ownership and fans having a proper stake in their club. Properly valued.

Made me realise you never hero worship businessmen. 

[CosbehFox]

The initial throwing out of Pearson and getting in Sven was hardly ringing 

Edited 17 March by CosbehFox

[whoareyaaa]

After they let Kasper go and kept Rodger’s 

[HankMarvin]

12 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

When Mandaric sold us to a group of Thai's and Chinese who went on to spend above their means and nearly **** us for decades (if it wasn't for our lords and saviours Nige, Walsh and Shakey.)

 

Writing was on the wall, lucky Leicester.

Didn’t hear many complaining at the time 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

After they let Kasper go and kept Rodger’s 

Vichai got lucky, made some early mistakes but he learnt and delivered the unimaginable. We kept it together for a while after he died, but I think this was a key moment. For a club that had no real leaders, to let someone like Kasper go just speaks volumes for people not knowing what they were and are doing. 

[dannythefox]

We don’t have bad owners but they’ve certainly taken their eye off the ball (Literally). Think of all the good they have done the club. However since his dad has pasted it’s definitely changed, can’t see it all being his decision though it will be his team around him, they need sacking and a rebuild is needed that’s the squad and the team who work with him. Rudkin has to go 100% his time is up. 2 big decisions before this season got started we’re giving Vest a 3yr deal and getting an X forest manager.

[Nolucklcfc]

24 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Behind the scenes?

Yep

[SK3Blue]

The summer after Rodgers called for a refresh, I think we signed Alex Smithies and that was it, that was the start of the rot and my doubts about owners.
 

It’s been all downhill from there, hanging onto Rodgers too long shows the arrogance of those at the Top, they firmly believed we were too good to go down and believed their own hype. 

[Gamble92]

5 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

We don’t have bad owners but they’ve certainly taken their eye off the ball (Literally). Think of all the good they have done the club. However since his dad has pasted it’s definitely changed, can’t see it all being his decision though it will be his team around him, they need sacking and a rebuild is needed that’s the squad and the team who work with him. Rudkin has to go 100% his time is up. 2 big decisions before this season got started we’re giving Vest a 3yr deal and getting an X forest manager.

The success didn't happen because of good strategy at ownership level 

[HankMarvin]

5 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

The success didn't happen because of good strategy at ownership level 

Subjective

Without Vichais dodgy dealings we wouldn’t have

1 amassed the squad/foundations that we did.

2 even have been promoted 

[RedSoxUK]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Subjective

Without Vichais dodgy dealings we wouldn’t have

1 amassed the squad/foundations that we did.

2 even have been promoted 

That's not true though is it? Pearson's team who predated Vichai amassed the core / foundations. Vichai just gambled the money, he did absolutely nothing to secure the success other than have money available and ride the genuine skill of Pearson and co.

 

That was not an ownership success.. spending more than everyone else and hope you get promoted is dangerous.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

48 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Not sacking Rodgers after Warsaw away

 

 

Not sacking Rodgers after we lost to Red scum in the cup when we were holders and they were a div below - we had been pony for 6 months before that in fairness 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Never really got over them parading the PL trophy round themselves with a picture of the Thai King behind them, rather than leaving it to the players and the manager.

[ealingfox]

The lies about the away ticket collection in Europe and the lies about the cup final coach travel were red flags.

 

Football wise I think the first real sign that the club was in danger because of them was allowing Rodgers to talk them into employing Congerton. That, allied with giving him an insane contract off the back of minor media chatter that he could potentially be a candidate for the Arsenal job, we've never recovered from.

 

There were shite decisions before that of course but all mostly excusable or at least understandable given the circumstances, apart from the various Rudkin blunders like Adrien Silva going unpunished, but these weren't existential threats in the same way.

[Gamble92]

37 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Subjective

Without Vichais dodgy dealings we wouldn’t have

1 amassed the squad/foundations that we did.

2 even have been promoted 

Dealings? You mean without his money? Of course not. I wouldn't deny that.

 

But the "strategy" at Championship level was throw way more money at it than was actually sustainable and get out in time before we get punished and end up bust. See Derby County and others for the exact same strategy when it didn't go well. 

 

It was Pearson, Shakespeare and Walsh realising exactly what was needed that got us back on track. There's not many managers in the world that wouldn't have just carried on doing what Sven did. Thank god the Birch recommended we go and get him back. (After they instructed they wanted 'world renowned' Paulo Sousa)

 

 

[Gamble92]

I think it's fair to say that Susan Whelan and Jon Rudkin are so far out of their depth at doing the roles they do at a football club. But both kept their jobs because of the work done below them. 

 

And it's only now it's been truly exposed. 

[Pliskin]

Spot on about the parading around the pitch with the PL trophy……. And then the FA cup, and then even the Charity shield, and the two championship trophies. 
 

Tops a self obsessed petulant child by the sounds of things….

 

King power is done here anyway, nothing improves until they sell the club.