Sean Dyche

[kingfox]

5 hours ago, Ricey said:

 

"Play my way....442".

 

Just incase anyone still believes that the only reason Burnley and Everton played the way they did was for any reasons outside of his control.

 

Just watched the full interview from this, feel free to call me mad if you want  

 

They had a segment regarding football philosophies, he pretty much slagged off Russell Martin’s philosophy of building out from the back, said football fans are becoming bored with that style, fair point, but football fans are also bored of a Dyche style. 
 

He went on to actually talk about the three relegated clubs, their philosophies, and stated that those clubs surely must look at their situation and change something.
 

He ain’t wrong when it comes to us, but I bloody hope if we do decide to change philosophy, it won’t be to Sean Dyche ball. 

[Guest Bilo]

39 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

You have hit the nail on the head. Dyche is an unprogressive Luddite, and this isn’t a trait that is endearing for modern day football. His achievements largely came in a period where the Pep effect hadn’t progressed through the leagues, but it now has, and more refined football is swooping the nation.

 

And how people can draw a correlation between us and Everton is just pointless, the situations are different. Everton have been clinging onto the arse hairs of the premier league like a dingleberry for four seasons, they’ve benefitted from having poor rivals, and the only team in that battle with an ounce of fight. That’s what Dyche is good at, he is basically a modern version of big Sam. 

 

He certainly is not the man to rebuild the football club, one that wants a progressive manager not one that will take the club back to the dark ages. What we need is an innovative young manager with a hunger and a desire to prove themselves and be brave enough to take risks on young players. 

 

We have has success this way through Brendan and Enzo (even though some seem to want to suggest Enzo wasn’t and then suggest Dyche)…… We need to revisit this, and make a careful considered decision and bring in a manager who fits this ideology. 

I think Dyche is, at best these days, a fixer you'd appoint as a Premier League club when you're 18th in February and need a bit of fight to stay up. He'll eke out every last drop of effort and fight from the players available, stem the bleeding if you're defensively weak and bruise some egos. 

 

The time to appoint him, had he been available, would either have been about February 2023 or immediately after Cooper got the push. It definitely isn't when we're needing to replace swathes of players for a total reset in a league he hasn't managed in for years and where he can't play the 'backs to the wall, lads' underdog card. 

 

We need a progressive, youth-centred innovative manager who'll look for players in their early twenties from unpronounceable clubs in Scandinavia rather than  fringe players from Premier League clubs umming and ahhing between coaching, Saudi Arabia or praying they find a mug Championship side who'll keep them in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. 

[LCFCCKEANO]

Dyche over Russell Martin is the shits over cholera, I know which I would prefer but I would avoid both in an ideal world

[foxinsocks]

Dyche is finished after the  moyse  performance.  

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, Bilo said:

I think Dyche is, at best these days, a fixer you'd appoint as a Premier League club when you're 18th in February and need a bit of fight to stay up. He'll eke out every last drop of effort and fight from the players available, stem the bleeding if you're defensively weak and bruise some egos. 

 

The time to appoint him, had he been available, would either have been about February 2023 or immediately after Cooper got the push. It definitely isn't when we're needing to replace swathes of players for a total reset in a league he hasn't managed in for years and where he can't play the 'backs to the wall, lads' underdog card. 

 

We need a progressive, youth-centred innovative manager who'll look for players in their early twenties from unpronounceable clubs in Scandinavia rather than  fringe players from Premier League clubs umming and ahhing between coaching, Saudi Arabia or praying they find a mug Championship side who'll keep them in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. 

Whole heartedly agree. The time for Dyche has long gone. 

[BenTheFox]

I watched the overlap interview today, and I can see how he has done well at either an underdog like Burnley or a complete shitshow like Everton where the objective was to stay in the league. Some of his attitudes are so outdated, and as someone who said they'd take him because we are not in a great situation, I find myself feeling a little apprehensive about him. 

 

Another thing that was apparent is that although he has an image of being straight talking and no nonsense, when you pay attention he's actually quite slippery and employs the same defelection/self-preservation tactics that Rodgers does. 

Edited 15 May 2025 by BenTheFox

[smudgerfox]

Im sorry but this preoccupation with style is a delusion. I find it little short of amazing that fans think this is all we need.

We badly need a manager  who cannot only coach the team but who has the force of personality and experience to ensure all the things that are going wrong are put right. That person isnt some bright young coach from Europe - its a hardened manager who knows English football inside out.

i know people have in mind the Palace, Bournemouth , Brentford and Brighton appointments but those clubs are infinitely better run than we are. They have a professional and stable internal structure and are free from

PSR  issues.

We need a Pearson-type figure to oversee an internal revolution. The closest to that is Sean Dyche.

 

[winteriscoming]

If Dyche was as good as he thinks he is he’d walk into a mid table premiership club. 
He isn’t. He’s one dimensional like a lot of managers and his best hope is keeping a side up who are struggling into the new year or a side challenging for promotion. 
Says it all really that he won’t even be considered by Palace or Bournemouth in the summer if they both lose their managers. 
 

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

If Dyche was as good as he thinks he is he’d walk into a mid table premiership club. 
He isn’t. He’s one dimensional like a lot of managers and his best hope is keeping a side up who are struggling into the new year or a side challenging for promotion. 
Says it all really that he won’t even be considered by Palace or Bournemouth in the summer if they both lose their managers. 
 

As conflicted as I am about him, I do find this quite funny considering that we have been relegated and will be a club that wants to be promoted next season. It really doesn't matter at this point whether he is good enough to manage a mid-table premier league side.

[winteriscoming]

2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

As conflicted as I am about him, I do find this quite funny considering that we have been relegated and will be a club that wants to be promoted next season. It really doesn't matter at this point whether he is good enough to manage a mid-table premier league side.

Imo he isn’t. I know to us it doesn’t matter but I think he’ll think he’s good enough at that level. What I’m trying to say is he won’t be under consideration at these mid table premiership clubs. 
I understand what you’re saying but I’m not convinced he’d get us up. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Reports online now suggest he doesn't want the Leicester job if offered 🤷🏽

Edited 16 May 2025 by CrispinLA in Texas

[Vindaloo FOX]

8 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Reports online now suggest he doesn't want the Leicester job if offered 🤷🏽

Haha won't blame him if true, we are a ****ing mess, Potter & Moyes didn't want it before Cooper, says it all really, we are a shitshow of a club to deal with.

Edited 16 May 2025 by Vindaloo FOX

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Reports online now suggest he doesn't want the Leicester job if offered 🤷🏽

I would say that his him saving face, I think he knows it’s not happening so distancing himself. Happens a fair bit. 

[HighPeakFox]

7 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

 

We need a Pearson-type figure to oversee an internal revolution. The closest to that is Sean Dyche.

 

But we don't know that to definitely be the case - there might well be any number of managers not presented to us or that we're likely ignorant of. We just know the cliché that is Dyche. 

 

And yes, I'm using the 'royal we' to avoid making it personal. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Dyche and Pearson are only similar in the fact both have a persona that takes no shit, too be honest from a football perspective I would actually say Ritchie Wellens is more in the Pearson mould than Dyche. 
 

Dyche is more Gary Megson than Nigel Pearson. 

[ClaphamFox]

4 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Reports online now suggest he doesn't want the Leicester job if offered 🤷🏽

Where?! I so want this to be true but I can’t find anything….

[smudgerfox]

14 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

But we don't know that to definitely be the case - there might well be any number of managers not presented to us or that we're likely ignorant of. We just know the cliché that is Dyche. 

If there was an experienced manager out there who knows the English game inside out who has the staying power and the self-belief to unravel a sh1tshow and turn it into a basis for footballing progress we’d have heard about him. Moyes would have fitted the bill as would Potter. 

[LVFox]

Feel like Dyche has become a walking characterisation of himself lately. Every interview i see with him, he seems more "utter woke nonsense" meme than ever before.

 

That said, he also seems aware enough that he can have a lucrative career as a firefighter against relegation, and that may stop him taking our job.

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

If there was an experienced manager out there who knows the English game inside out who has the staying power and the self-belief to unravel a sh1tshow and turn it into a basis for footballing progress we’d have heard about him. Moyes would have fitted the bill as would Potter. 

Well, maybe we need someone less 'experienced' (often code for hopelessly out of date or past it). Pearson wasn't anything like as experienced then as Dyche now is, I might add.

[smudgerfox]

13 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Dyche and Pearson are only similar in the fact both have a persona that takes no shit, too be honest from a football perspective I would actually say Ritchie Wellens is more in the Pearson mould than 

Has Wellens managed in the Prem? Or even in the championship? Never mind his record at Burnley, he kept up an absolutely car crash Everton squad with Ashley Young a starting full back. And we need someone with the stature and track record to read the riot act to a group of take-the-piss footballers and to Rudkin, Top and Whelan. 
 

We are no longer an established Premier League club with the luxury of choosing playing style, we are a club in a huge financial hole and we need to get out of it while still turning in results. 

[smudgerfox]

6 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Well, maybe we need someone less 'experienced' (often code for hopelessly out of date or past it). Pearson wasn't anything like as experienced then as Dyche now is, I might add.

So who? 

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, smudgerfox said:

So who? 

If you read what I originally wrote, I made perfectly clear that we don't know who else might be out there. I am part of 'we'. I am simply challenging the notion that Dyche is the only answer. After all, who knew, before the fact, how brilliant Pearson was going to be? I didn't.

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

So who? 

I think there is a fair few lists of potential managers, doing the rounds on here, who are young progressive and have the potential to come in and take us forward. 

[smudgerfox]

11 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

If you read what I originally wrote, I made perfectly clear that we don't know who else might be out there. I am part of 'we'. I am simply challenging the notion that Dyche is the only answer. After all, who knew, before the fact, how brilliant Pearson was going to be? I didn't.

 

10 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think there is a fair few lists of potential managers, doing the rounds on here, who are young progressive and have the potential to come in and take us forward. 

So you’re dead set against Dyche in comparison with candidates you cannot name and who we have no idea whether they would come to a club facing the prospect of losing many of its best players, financial Armageddon, with one of the worst directors of football in the English game, facing a points deduction and possibly a transfer embargo. Welcome to your dream job, Mr young, progressive, ambitious, talented coach! 

Edited 16 May 2025 by smudgerfox

[HighPeakFox]

10 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

So you’re dead set against Dyche in comparison with candidates you cannot name and who we have no idea whether they would come to a club facing the prospect of losing many of its best players, financial Armageddon, with one of the worst directors of football in the English game, facing a points deduction and possibly a transfer embargo. Welcome to your dream job, Mr young, progressive, ambitious, talented coach! 

Have a nice day, if possible.