General News Thread

[Sly]

At what point does he get labelled a Dictator? 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Sly said:

At what point does he get labelled a Dictator? 

Purely on paper he shouldn't be. He was elected in a free and fair electoral process (as far as can be ascertained) and the country he is leader of does still have working checks and balances against him (again, as far as can be ascertained).

 

To use a more precise definition of what the man is, he should be labelled as an enemy of human future, human progress and of life itself in a way that a great many dictators of history would envy, and the parts of the world actually caring about that that are in his crosshairs need to act accordingly. 

[CornwallFox]

23 minutes ago, Sly said:

Trump to impose tariffs on European countries over Greenland

 

BREAKING

 

US President Donald Trump has announced a new set of tariffs for a swathe of countries that export goods to the US, beginning on 1 February. 

Trump says these will remain in place until "such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland" by the US. 

Writing on social media, Trump says countries including Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Finland will be "charged a 10% tariff" on "all and any" goods sent to the US. 

 

On 1 June, this will be increased to 25%, he writes on Truth Social.

 

As a reminder, tariffs are taxes on imported goods, and are usually paid to the government by companies bringing in foreign products.

Let him, sod them. He's not getting his way on this whatever, no matter how high the tariffs. If he isn't reined in by Congress or the senate then it's time the UK recognised the US is not a good friend. It's a bully.

[FoxesDeb]

25 minutes ago, Sly said:

Trump to impose tariffs on European countries over Greenland

 

BREAKING

 

US President Donald Trump has announced a new set of tariffs for a swathe of countries that export goods to the US, beginning on 1 February. 

Trump says these will remain in place until "such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland" by the US. 

Writing on social media, Trump says countries including Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Finland will be "charged a 10% tariff" on "all and any" goods sent to the US. 

 

On 1 June, this will be increased to 25%, he writes on Truth Social.

 

As a reminder, tariffs are taxes on imported goods, and are usually paid to the government by companies bringing in foreign products.

I thought tariffs were set at EU level, so he couldn't pick and choose which EU countries to impose them upon? 

[Sly]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

I thought tariffs were set at EU level, so he couldn't pick and choose which EU countries to impose them upon? 

I think he is just off trying to bully his way to getting Greenland.

 

Could this collapse on him ….

[Zear0]

30 minutes ago, Sly said:

Trump to impose tariffs on European countries over Greenland

 

BREAKING

 

US President Donald Trump has announced a new set of tariffs for a swathe of countries that export goods to the US, beginning on 1 February. 

Trump says these will remain in place until "such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland" by the US. 

Writing on social media, Trump says countries including Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Finland will be "charged a 10% tariff" on "all and any" goods sent to the US. 

 

On 1 June, this will be increased to 25%, he writes on Truth Social.

 

As a reminder, tariffs are taxes on imported goods, and are usually paid to the government by companies bringing in foreign products.

Picked a great week to be in Washington... 

[Jattdogg]

6 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm24k6kk1rko

 

The Canadians choosing to back a different horse. Funny, that. 

I dont like dealings with China but at the same time one cannot make a deal with Trump.  A deal for Trump means a major L for you. 

 

I want Carney to continue our push away from American reliance because we already know there is no deal for us. It's Trumps way or the highway.  It will be hard but we just cant be friends with someone who is only a friend because they need someone to bully.

 

Its about time Europe recognizes this as well and we all should move on. Bare minimum trade with them.

 

12 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Let him, sod them. He's not getting his way on this whatever, no matter how high the tariffs. If he isn't reined in by Congress or the senate then it's time the UK recognised the US is not a good friend. It's a bully.

Senate and congress are just yes men. Won't happen.

Edited 17 January by Jattdogg

[Sly]

If the world stops trading with America and imposes counter tariffs, does it all spiral and collapse? 

[bovril]

8 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Picked a great week to be in Washington... 

Did you have to show them your foxestalk posting history when entering the country? Their thoughts on Cifuentes? 

[leicsmac]

If Trump does enough to truly alienate the world (like through actually using the military to attack Greenland), I think it's possible enough Repub Congress members will finally say enough is enough. But only possibly.

[Sampson]

Even Badenoch and Farage starting to turn anti-US and pro-Europe now, Starmer needs to do what 90% of the country wants and formally acknowledge our future is with Europe not the US.

[Clogger_]

Truly see opportunity in Trump's behaviour. He has demonstrated unequivocally why we need to rebuild our relationship with the EU. Nothing is more important for our country's future

[Robo61]

34 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I thought tariffs were set at EU level, so he couldn't pick and choose which EU countries to impose them upon? 

The host country imposes tariffs on goods going into the country, so Trump can do what he likes, while Congress continues to be gutless. The EU could and should respond by imposing its own tariffs on all goods entering the single market. 

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, Robo61 said:

The host country imposes tariffs on goods going into the country, so Trump can do what he likes, while Congress continues to be gutless. The EU could and should respond by imposing its own tariffs on all goods entering the single market. 

You're probably right, I'm just sure I read somewhere that tariffs had to be EU wide and couldn't be imposed upon individual countries within the bloc, I think possibly when he was threatening Spain when Sánchez refused to increase our defense spending to meet his demands 

[Dahnsouff]

Does get rather tiresome when the world refuses to be anything other than be constantly exciting.

Daft old man wants medals, legacy and a stairway to heaven. You better hope there is no hell Don.

 

At this point who is he talking too? The 30% (??) of the US population who are Maga?

 

 

[Robo61]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

You're probably right, I'm just sure I read somewhere that tariffs had to be EU wide and couldn't be imposed upon individual countries within the bloc, I think possibly when he was threatening Spain when Sánchez refused to increase our defense spending to meet his demands 

It could be that WTO rules say they should but that organisation is even less toothless than Congress

[Lionator]

With Trump, you suck it up, make a deal to station more US bases on Greenland and keep it in Danish hands. All the dramatics are a side show, a 10% tariff is nothing. 

[Sampson]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

With Trump, you suck it up, make a deal to station more US bases on Greenland and keep it in Danish hands. All the dramatics are a side show, a 10% tariff is nothing. 

I don’t understand how you can still not take Trump for his word at this point. US already has the right to unlimited troops in Greenland, it’s part of NATO and Denmark already agreed to unlimited US bases. That deal you are talking Denmark has already said they’ve agreed to.

 

This is  about the US invading Denmark and Europe so they can annex land (and as a very coincidental side note own minerals important to building AI data centres). Trump is very clear about all this and as usual people want to bury their heads in the sand whilst he continuously shows us you should take him for his word.

[Robo61]

23 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

 

 

Edited 17 January by Robo61

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

If the world stops trading with America and imposes counter tariffs, does it all spiral and collapse? 

Trouble is you can’t just stop trading with the worlds biggest economy 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Trouble is you can’t just stop trading with the worlds biggest economy 

What happens to that world's biggest economy if most everyone does?

 

Edit: if that kind of measure is off the table, I'm wondering what would be a fair response to the current actions of the US government. If any. 

Edited 17 January by leicsmac

[Tommy G]

Just now, leicsmac said:

What happens to that world's biggest economy if most everyone does?

But that just won’t happen in reality - a total boycott of the US? Not a prayer 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Tommy G said:

But that just won’t happen in reality - a total boycott of the US? Not a prayer 

Regrettably true, it a vote loser for one as loss of what are normalised services could lose an election on its own.

 

And we suck at not having 'stuff'

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

But that just won’t happen in reality - a total boycott of the US? Not a prayer 

Fine, taking that as assumed, I wouldn't mind hearing about the edited part of my post above. 

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Fine, taking that as assumed, I wouldn't mind hearing about the edited part of my post above. 

As always, the answer to noise and threats is silence, restraint and most importantly, unity.