General News Thread

[danny.]

Just now, leicsmac said:

Should the worst come to the worst, the ones who are left will do exactly that. They won't be discerning, so in order to help prevent that from happening I'm not sure we should be now. 

That makes no sense at all, why don't you say plainly what you are trying to say. Blaming powerless people making observations for the actions of powerful global players makes absolutely no sense in reality.

[bovril]

The BAFTAs stuff is just peak American woke. We've spent over a decade hearing that neurodiversity is real and everywhere and just taking a university exam is an anxiety-inducing and oppressive tool of the system and then suddenly it's all "being disabled doesn't excuse racism y'all". Just shows the absurdity and utter narcissism of these people.

[danny.]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

The BAFTAs stuff is just peak American woke. We've spent over a decade hearing that neurodiversity is real and everywhere and just taking a university exam is an anxiety-inducing and oppressive tool of the system and then suddenly it's all "being disabled doesn't excuse racism y'all". Just shows the absurdity and utter narcissism of these people.

All part of the intersectional victimhood hierarchy 

[bovril]

41 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6edwg06n1o

 

BBC have apologised for not editing the racial slur shouted by John Davidson at Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo.

 

It's caused a lot of damage and they really should have edited it. The clip does not look good and it appears to the uninformed that it's a hateful and targeted attack.

 

Hopefully Jordan and Lindo are able to acknowledge that the incident wasn't preconceived or with any malicious intent and we can all move on.

 

I wonder if Davidson will be invited to the Oscars. Judging by their reaction to this incident, I don't think Americans are ready for a similar outburst but it's very important that his story is told over there.

It caused no damage and the BBC needs to do precisely **** all. 

[bovril]

Just now, danny. said:

All part of the intersectional victimhood hierarchy 

Wish I hadn't thrown away my oppression matrix, would've come in handy 

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, danny. said:

That makes no sense at all, why don't you say plainly what you are trying to say. Blaming powerless people making observations for the actions of powerful global players makes absolutely no sense in reality.

Fine.

 

The action of those global players, including manipulating those with less power to do their dirty work for them will result, as it has throughout history, in a great deal of death and suffering. The next time, given the advancement of tech, the toll could be truly massive. 

 

Those left afterwards, in a world so royally screwed up, will blame every single one of us for that happening. Whether a person was active, or if they simply didn't do enough to stop it. There's a bit of "human nature" - the desire to apply blame. As such, people can plead powerlessness as much as they like, rightly or wrongly it simply isn't going to wash should the worst happen. 

 

It's very easy to stand by and say that horrible things happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. The world changes, and the future, a better future is guaranteed, however, by those who do what they can - however apparently small - to help that change come about. 

 

Or I guess we can simply sink into the morass of misanthropy and wallow in our own lack of agency until everyone is screwed. That's a choice, too. 

Edited 23 February by leicsmac

[danny.]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Fine.

 

The action of those global players, including manipulating those with less power to do their dirty work for them will result, as it has throughout history, in a great deal of death and suffering. The next time, given the advancement of tech, the toll could be truly massive. 

 

Those left afterwards, in a world so royally screwed up, will blame every single one of us for that happening. Whether a person was active, or if they simply didn't do enough to stop it. There's a bit of "human nature" - the desire to apply blame. As such, people can plead powerlessness as much as they like, rightly or wrongly it simply isn't going to wash should the worst happen. 

 

It's very easy to stand by and say that horrible things happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. The world changes, and the future, a better future is guaranteed, however, by those who do what they can - however apparently small - to help that change come about. 

 

Or I guess we can simply sink into the morass of misanthropy and wallow in our own lack of agency until everyone is screwed. That's a choice, too. 

To put this back into context, you initially referred to my comment that it was human nature, not capitalism, "that's stopping ... organising the world fairly". For obvious reasons - namely that alternative systems such as communism haven't faired any better, often worse.

 

With that said, I will suspend any further attempt at eloquent discourse and plainly say, wtf are you rambling about? Nothing you've just said makes any sense in context, you're firmly straying into word salad territory.

[AKCJ]

11 minutes ago, bovril said:

It caused no damage and the BBC needs to do precisely **** all. 

The clip has been shared maliciously millions of times today. Of course it needed to be edited before it aired and the BBC were right to apologise for failing to do so.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, danny. said:

To put this back into context, you initially referred to my comment that it was human nature, not capitalism, "that's stopping ... organising the world fairly". For obvious reasons - namely that alternative systems such as communism haven't faired any better, often worse.

 

With that said, I will suspend any further attempt at eloquent discourse and plainly say, wtf are you rambling about? Nothing you've just said makes any sense in context, you're firmly straying into word salad territory.

 That's of course your prerogative. Have a good evening. 

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, danny. said:

To put this back into context, you initially referred to my comment that it was human nature, not capitalism, "that's stopping ... organising the world fairly". For obvious reasons - namely that alternative systems such as communism haven't faired any better, often worse.

 

With that said, I will suspend any further attempt at eloquent discourse and plainly say, wtf are you rambling about? Nothing you've just said makes any sense in context, you're firmly straying into word salad territory.

Why is it always ultra capitalism US/UK style, or communism? Why do we always ignore the counties operating in between very well? The Scandinavian countries show one way. 

[Parafox]

Mandelson arrested. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cew8jde9pxqt

Edited 23 February by Parafox

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Mandelson arrested. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cew8jde9pxqt

The news programmes are way overboard on this

everyone knew this was coming - I thought we’d had the political fall out two weeks ago when his homes were searched ??

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The clip has been shared maliciously millions of times today. Of course it needed to be edited before it aired and the BBC were right to apologise for failing to do so.

The word is available to listen to in thousands clips including from films that won awards last night.

 

Editing stuff out to protect the person who said it (who is disabled) from getting abuse is pretty ****ed up.

 

Americans have decreed that uttering that particular word is the worst thing you can do to the extent that a literal disabled guy who works as a caretaker is being called out by millionaire film stars and millions of people online are suggesting he should have been either edited out or even stopped from attending.

 

There doesn't always need to be a scapegoat. Sometimes an unfortunate incident happens and we can all move on without blaming anyone. Or at least we used to be able to...

[danny.]

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Edited 23 February by danny.

[Trav Le Bleu]

50 minutes ago, bovril said:

It caused no damage and the BBC needs to do precisely **** all. 

If it had been Jim Davidson, then that would be an entirely different matter.

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

The word is available to listen to in thousands clips including from films that won awards last night.

 

Editing stuff out to protect the person who said it (who is disabled) from getting abuse is pretty ****ed up.

 

Americans have decreed that uttering that particular word is the worst thing you can do to the extent that a literal disabled guy who works as a caretaker is being called out by millionaire film stars and millions of people online are suggesting he should have been either edited out or even stopped from attending.

 

There doesn't always need to be a scapegoat. Sometimes an unfortunate incident happens and we can all move on without blaming anyone. Or at least we used to be able to...

Editing it out doesn't mean they're demonising John Davidson or blaming him.

 

It would have protected him from the torrent of abuse that people (largely Americans) have subjected him to.

 

The BBC should have edited the broadcast so that people didn't jump to abuse a literal disabled guy who works as a caretaker.

[bovril]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

Editing it out doesn't mean they're demonising John Davidson or blaming him.

 

It would have protected him from the torrent of abuse that people (largely Americans) have subjected him to.

 

The BBC should have edited the broadcast so that people didn't jump to abuse a literal disabled guy who works as a caretaker.

yes, we must hide disabled people away so they are not targeted with abuse by low IQ bigots

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

yes, we must hide disabled people away so they are not targeted with abuse by low IQ bigots

Alright Gordon, calm down.

[AKCJ]

6 minutes ago, bovril said:

yes, we must hide disabled people away so they are not targeted with abuse by low IQ bigots

You're being deliberately obtuse.

[FoxesDeb]

11 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Editing it out doesn't mean they're demonising John Davidson or blaming him.

 

It would have protected him from the torrent of abuse that people (largely Americans) have subjected him to.

 

The BBC should have edited the broadcast so that people didn't jump to abuse a literal disabled guy who works as a caretaker.

Sounds to me like the problem is with the people giving him abuse rather than the guy with the medical condition 

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

You're being deliberately obtuse.

I may be being obtuse but not deliberately. I don't think it should have been edited because I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

 

The notion that people's words need to be edited for their own safety is unfortunately the logical conclusion to this idea that simply uttering a word irrespective of the intention is fundamentally wrong and in need of punishment. 

[leicsmac]

Is it too much to say that pretty much everything about that Baftas incident, during and after, was and is a shitshow from everyone apart from probably Delroy Lindo and Michael B Jordan?

[Guest]

I think they probably should have just edited that bit of the broadcast and I don't really see what the benefits are of it not having been cut. Must have been a pretty awful experience for all three of Jordan, Lindo and Davidson.

[AKCJ]

15 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Sounds to me like the problem is with the people giving him abuse rather than the guy with the medical condition 

Exactly.

 

The whole thing would have been avoided if the BBC did their job properly and protected him. 

 

10 minutes ago, bovril said:

I may be being obtuse but not deliberately. I don't think it should have been edited because I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

 

The notion that people's words need to be edited for their own safety is unfortunately the logical conclusion to this idea that simply uttering a word irrespective of the intention is fundamentally wrong and in need of punishment. 

If you honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that word then you need to educate yourself. It's a word that does upset people so editing it from the broadcast would have saved a lot of trouble in this age of misinformation and cancel culture.

 

The poor bloke is now unfairly subject to horrendous abuse and has been labelled as a racist by the uninformed majority for something he had no control over. The BBC could have saved him from much of that.

[Clogger_]

2 hours ago, danny. said:

All part of the intersectional victimhood hierarchy 

What!?