General News Thread

[StanSP]

4 hours ago, Md9 said:

Ice agent has shot and killed a woman in Minnesota in a car. Some reports say she tried to run one of them over some saying she was just trying to drive off . Would be good for one day with no crazy stuff happening 

Just seen the video and I'm in my totally expert opinion ICE are absolute thundercvnts. 

[danny.]

I’m baffled how anyone can defend the ICE agent there. OK she probably shouldn’t have tried to flee, but execution for that is insane. 
 

Yet x is full of right wing people defending it, clearly incapable of using their brain for any independent thought outside of tribalism. 

[Jattdogg]

49 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Just seen the video and I'm in my totally expert opinion ICE are absolute thundercvnts. 

100000%

 

38 minutes ago, danny. said:

I’m baffled how anyone can defend the ICE agent there. OK she probably shouldn’t have tried to flee, but execution for that is insane. 
 

Yet x is full of right wing people defending it, clearly incapable of using their brain for any independent thought outside of tribalism. 

To me she wasn't trying to run the guys down based on way wheels were pointing. I understand it can be tricky but there was no need IMO for the agent to shoot when he could have just not shot at all and stepped back (unless I missed an agent in front of the car out of sight

 

This isn't even on the ICE agent, this is on Trump. He killed that women with these pathetic ICE enforcements.

 

Edited 8 January by Jattdogg

[Jon the Hat]

16 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Agree with this. Another concern for me is  electric cars - having had one for the past 3 years I don't think its socialised enough as how dangerous they can be in the wrong hands. You get instant power and generally very quick 0-60, very easy to speed - given they will become more widely available and cheaper so access for young drivers in particular will become greater. Mine is 535bhp and quite scary when you want to put your foot down, I think this could be a real concern in the next 5 years - 10 years.  

The flipside being the tech which stops you veering into oncoming traffic or brakes when you get too close to the car in front will no doubt help, and as it is software based continue to improve.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, danny. said:

Jesus that’s a brave thing to write in 2026:

 

”Potter, who is male but who identifies as a transgender female”

Its a significant improvement over reporting this is a crime committed by a woman, which has been happening for years, often accompanied by a similar photo.

[MC Prussian]

Do I think that woman should've lived? Yes.

 

Was she blocking the road and obstructing law enforcement? Yes.

Was she trying to flee law enforcement? Yes.

Was she resisting arrest? Yes.

Was she trying to run over the ICE officer? Contentious. She's accelerating her car. Could've easily just panicked. We don't know.

 

Was the officer in the right to shoot her? Here, I refer to this section:

Law enforcement officials can use deadly force

When necessary, i.e., when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person

 

Hopefully, more news will be coming out surrounding this incident, painting a clearer, more complete picture. All we have is a 22-second video. Not much to go by.

EDIT: Just as I am typing this, I find this comment on a video:

I live in Minnesota and witnessed this happen, dont believe a shred of what the news is telling you. This crazy chick circled the block 5 times waiting for the officers to be vulnerable. First time she stopped and screamed at them, they waved her off. Then the next 3 passes she circled and waited and on the 5th time she tried to full on ram one of the officers but came to a stop before she did. They tried to arrest her on the spot, she resisted and tried to turn around and run this dude over in the process because ICE was blocking her path. Then the rest is what you've likely already seen, its not even half of the full story.

Edited 8 January by MC Prussian

[Md9]

Trump trying to cause more chaos? The officer didn’t look like he got touched though it was close and he walked away as there are videos of him doing so. 

[leicsmac]

The death of that woman in Minneapolis is tragic, but not surprising. The only surprise, to my mind, was that it didn't happen sooner. 

 

This administration has put guns in the hand of the kind of people who showed up at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 and made any acts of brutality, false detention and removal from their homes and intimidation without any kind of due process institutional and therefore acceptable to all of their social media flying monkeys. 

 

That they have gone from those things to shooting someone who just happened to be in their way and then coming up with a flimsy self justification that she represented a capital threat to them is not the biggest leap. And, sadly, I doubt it will be the last time that it happens. 

Edited 8 January by leicsmac

[Md9]

6 hours ago, StanSP said:

Just seen the video and I'm in my totally expert opinion ICE are absolute thundercvnts. 

They are people who have just been given an excuse to go around and do what they want and will get protected by trump snd his followers . All scared to show their faces because they know what hey are doing is not right  

[StanSP]

12 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Do I think that woman should've lived? Yes.

 

Was she blocking the road and obstructing law enforcement? Yes.

Was she trying to flee law enforcement? Yes.

Was she trying to run over the ICE officer? Contentious. She's accelerating her car. Could've easily just panicked.

 

Was the officer in the right to shoot her? Here, I refer to this section:

Law enforcement officials can use deadly force

When necessary, i.e., when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person

 

Hopefully, more news will be coming out surrounding this incident, painting a clearer, more complete picture. All we have is a 22-second video. Not much to go by.

EDIT: Just as I am typing this, I find this comment on a video:

I live in Minnesota and witnessed this happen, dont believe a shred of what the news is telling you. This crazy chick circled the block 5 times waiting for the officers to be vulnerable. First time she stopped and screamed at them, they waved her off. Then the next 3 passes she circled and waited and on the 5th time she tried to full on ram one of the officers but came to a stop before she did. They tried to arrest her on the spot, she resisted and tried to turn around and run this dude over in the process because ICE was blocking her path. Then the rest is what you've likely already seen, its not even half of the full story.

There's also a video where she's waving some of the cars through so it doesn't really line up that it was her intention to want to run an officer over? 

She waves one through, waves the 2nd car through which then actually stops, officers get out then start to try and get in her car. 

 

Tries to drive off in a panic as you say and officer is extremely quick to shoot. I believe there could have been other options than to shoot her in the head straight off? 

 

[MC Prussian]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

There's also a video where she's waving some of the cars through so it doesn't really line up that it was her intention to want to run an officer over? 

She waves one through, waves the 2nd car through which then actually stops, officers get out then start to try and get in her car. 

 

Tries to drive off in a panic as you say and officer is extremely quick to shoot. I believe there could have been other options than to shoot her in the head straight off? 

 

I read in several places that the officer in question was one who got injured earlier during riots. Could've been the reason why he was so trigger-happy this time. But that's me guessing.
In the end, a child has now lost both his biological mother and father.

https://www.wionews.com/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-woman-shot-in-face-by-ice-agent-identified-as-renee-nicole-good-all-we-know-about-her-1767834405663

 

And the officer will have to justify his actions (facing internal affairs and/or a court).

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I read in several places that the officer in question was one who got injured earlier during riots. Could've been the reason why he was so trigger-happy this time. But that's me guessing.
In the end, a child has now lost both his biological mother and father.

https://www.wionews.com/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-woman-shot-in-face-by-ice-agent-identified-as-renee-nicole-good-all-we-know-about-her-1767834405663

 

And the officer will have to justify his actions (facing internal affairs and/or a court).

Given the current situation, I think people should believe that only when they see it, to be honest.

[leicsmac]

And on the topic of "believing", "Reputable news agencies and expert individuals are not to be believed, but Mr. Random Comment on Social Media is to be believed and have policy set around his thoughts" is a nice epitaph for our species that can be left for the next supposedly intelligent one to find.

 

Seeing as a lot of the harm being caused to a lot of living beings right now, and more in the future, can be traced back to that sentiment. 

[MC Prussian]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

And on the topic of "believing", "Reputable news agencies and expert individuals are not to be believed, but Mr. Random Comment on Social Media is to be believed and have policy set around his thoughts" is a nice epitaph for our species that can be left for the next supposedly intelligent one to find.

 

Seeing as a lot of the harm being caused to a lot of living beings right now, and more in the future, can be traced back to that sentiment. 

Then why are you constantly engaging with total strangers on an internet forum?

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Then why are you constantly engaging with total strangers on an internet forum?

Because I'm not asking for policy to be set around what I say, other than when there's cited expert evidence for it. 

 

I understand the point you're driving at here, but saying "believe what demonstrably trustworthy people say" is rather different to saying "believe me".

 

Edit: and, pardon me, but I know you're a smart person and I think you know where the concept of the truth being the reserve of the loudest and most convincing voice, rather than what actually is ends, as much as I do. 

Edited 8 January by leicsmac

[st albans fox]

51 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Do I think that woman should've lived? Yes.

 

Was she blocking the road and obstructing law enforcement? Yes.

Was she trying to flee law enforcement? Yes.

Was she resisting arrest? Yes.

Was she trying to run over the ICE officer? Contentious. She's accelerating her car. Could've easily just panicked. We don't know.

 

Was the officer in the right to shoot her? Here, I refer to this section:

Law enforcement officials can use deadly force

When necessary, i.e., when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person

 

Hopefully, more news will be coming out surrounding this incident, painting a clearer, more complete picture. All we have is a 22-second video. Not much to go by.

EDIT: Just as I am typing this, I find this comment on a video:

I live in Minnesota and witnessed this happen, dont believe a shred of what the news is telling you. This crazy chick circled the block 5 times waiting for the officers to be vulnerable. First time she stopped and screamed at them, they waved her off. Then the next 3 passes she circled and waited and on the 5th time she tried to full on ram one of the officers but came to a stop before she did. They tried to arrest her on the spot, she resisted and tried to turn around and run this dude over in the process because ICE was blocking her path. Then the rest is what you've likely already seen, its not even half of the full story.

Couldnt they have just shot her tyres out ??

Edited 8 January by st albans fox

[Jon the Hat]

42 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The death of that woman in Minneapolis is tragic, but not surprising. The only surprise, to my mind, was that it didn't happen sooner. 

 

This administration has put guns in the hand of the kind of people who showed up at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 and made any acts of brutality, false detention and removal from their homes and intimidation without any kind of due process institutional and therefore acceptable to all of their social media flying monkeys. 

 

That they have gone from those things to shooting someone who just happened to be in their way and then coming up with a flimsy self justification that she represented a capital threat to them is not the biggest leap. And, sadly, I doubt it will be the last time that it happens. 

I agree with everything in bold.  That said, it has always been pretty easy to get yourself shot by US law enforcement, and if people are going to act aggressively around those armed people then they really need their heads read.  Is ti right?  Often not.  Is it so bloody obviously dangerous that the driver in question must take some responsibility for her actions?  Yes it is.

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Couldnt they have just shot her tyres out ??

Or any one of a great many other possible solutions, yes.

 

7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I agree with everything in bold.  That said, it has always been pretty easy to get yourself shot by US law enforcement, and if people are going to act aggressively around those armed people then they really need their heads read.  Is ti right?  Often not.  Is it so bloody obviously dangerous that the driver in question must take some responsibility for her actions?  Yes it is.

It's an undeniable fact that this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened and it won't be the last.

 

Problem is, there's only a very short journey from deeming it inevitable to deeming it acceptable, and then the death of this woman, among others, is not only tragic but utterly meaningless. 

[leicsmac]

And in other news today:
"Today, Energy Secretary Chris Wright told an audience at a Goldman Sachs energy industry event in Miami, Florida, that the United States will take control of all oil from Venezuela for the foreseeable future. Lisa Desjardins and Nick Schifrin of PBS Newshour reported this afternoon that Trump administration officials have told lawmakers that they plan to put the money raised from their seizure of Venezuelan oil into bank accounts outside the U.S. Treasury. Desjardins clarified that 

'sources said they understood these as similar [to] or decidedly "off-shore" accounts.' 

Yesterday, Trump announced that, as president of the United States, he would control the money from the sale of Venezuelan oil."  

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/01/07/trump-oil-venezuela-subsidies/

 

But it's not about the oil at all, right?

Edited 8 January by leicsmac

[Jon the Hat]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And in other news today:
"Today, Energy Secretary Chris Wright told an audience at a Goldman Sachs energy industry event in Miami, Florida, that the United States will take control of all oil from Venezuela for the foreseeable future. Lisa Desjardins and Nick Schifrin of PBS Newshour reported this afternoon that Trump administration officials have told lawmakers that they plan to put the money raised from their seizure of Venezuelan oil into bank accounts outside the U.S. Treasury. Desjardins clarified that 

'sources said they understood these as similar [to] or decidedly "off-shore" accounts.' 

Yesterday, Trump announced that, as president of the United States, he would control the money from the sale of Venezuelan oil."  

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/01/07/trump-oil-venezuela-subsidies/

 

But it's not about the oil at all, right?

They trying to stop the cheap oil going to China.  It's not all about the oil, but all about the influence of China in their backyard.

[Jon the Hat]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Or any one of a great many other possible solutions, yes.

 

It's an undeniable fact that this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened and it won't be the last.

 

Problem is, there's only a very short journey from deeming it inevitable to deeming it acceptable, and then the death of this woman, among others, is not only tragic but utterly meaningless. 

It is deemed acceptable in the US for an armed federal agent to shoot someone who is threatening them.  This is partly why I would never live in the US to be honest.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They trying to stop the cheap oil going to China.  It's not all about the oil, but all about the influence of China in their backyard.

Monroe Doctrine, yes.

 

Don't think that makes it much less stupid or self-serving or harmful.

 

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

It is deemed acceptable in the US for an armed federal agent to shoot someone who is threatening them.  This is partly why I would never live in the US to be honest.

Perhaps one day that insanity will change. 

 

Or perhaps one day, at least, such agents will actually be held accountable when they get it wrong and an innocent party dies, which they often do. 

[danny.]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Perhaps one day that insanity will change. 

 

Or perhaps one day, at least, such agents will actually be held accountable when they get it wrong and an innocent party dies, which they often do. 

It’s part and parcel of US culture. Widespread gun ownership is literally part of their founding constitution. 
 

And remember, all cultures are equal according to you. 

[leicsmac]

15 minutes ago, danny. said:

It’s part and parcel of US culture. Widespread gun ownership is literally part of their founding constitution. 
 

And remember, all cultures are equal according to you. 

Yep, perhaps one day accountability when one of those guns is used will be part of it too. 

 

And the issue right now is that particular culture isn't considering itself equal (which an argument could be made for), but superior, and choosing to make it everyone's problem. 

[lgfualol]

So America is full of masked armed blokes going around disappearing people, and now they can just shoot you dead for ‘not complying’. The officer that shot was barely in danger, he was clearly on a powertrip and eager to kill someone. 
 

Trump then fans the flames to encourage more discontent. The US is cooked. Scary times ahead.