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leicsmac

leicsmac

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21 minutes ago, danny. said:

Sure, that it's not factually correct to say that X and Grok are the same thing.

Righto, appreciate the clarification. 

 

So, with that point of factual order sorted (as it's entirely true that it is technically correct), I guess my next thought is similar to the one stated above where though they are two entities, they are linked in terms of utility as one is being used to create some rather nasty stuff that's then being disseminated on the other.

 

You made the point upstream about other pieces of AI software, but the last time I checked, using them to nonconsensually strip women and for nonce material wasn't nearly so much of a problem anywhere else on widespread social media (thankfully)?

danny.

danny.

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44 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Righto, appreciate the clarification. 

 

So, with that point of factual order sorted (as it's entirely true that it is technically correct), I guess my next thought is similar to the one stated above where though they are two entities, they are linked in terms of utility as one is being used to create some rather nasty stuff that's then being disseminated on the other.

 

You made the point upstream about other pieces of AI software, but the last time I checked, using them to nonconsensually strip women and for nonce material wasn't nearly so much of a problem anywhere else on widespread social media (thankfully)?

They are, as lots of tech are linked in terms of utility across the internet.

To clarify, I don't agree with Grok being able to strip people, although some other LLMs go too far, for example DALL-E refused to add a hat to a photo one of my friends as it just refused to work with pictures of people. Grok's image generator needs boundaries adding. 

It's a Grok problem, though, not an X problem. So, for me, banning X is not a proportional response.

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Zear0

Zear0

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20 minutes ago, danny. said:

They are, as lots of tech are linked in terms of utility across the internet.

To clarify, I don't agree with Grok being able to strip people, although some other LLMs go too far, for example DALL-E refused to add a hat to a photo one of my friends as it just refused to work with pictures of people. Grok's image generator needs boundaries adding. 

It's a Grok problem, though, not an X problem. So, for me, banning X is not a proportional response.

Grok is generating content that is, bizarrely technically legal.  Distributing this content without users consent is illegal, it's an x problem.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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23 minutes ago, danny. said:

They are, as lots of tech are linked in terms of utility across the internet.

To clarify, I don't agree with Grok being able to strip people, although some other LLMs go too far, for example DALL-E refused to add a hat to a photo one of my friends as it just refused to work with pictures of people. Grok's image generator needs boundaries adding. 

It's a Grok problem, though, not an X problem. So, for me, banning X is not a proportional response.

Thanks for the further clarification. 

 

Speaking personally, enough has gone here on the watch of and with the tacit approval of X to at least warrant an investigation and the possibility of sanctions until they sort out the distribution issue, as pointed out above. 

 

9 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It's crazy that anyone is using this as justification to kill someone.

 

Video filmed by ICE agent who shot Minneapolis woman emerges - BBC News

 

https://share.google/Al5Ros765NrIIyuDB

 

They should kit ICE agents in brown shirts.

Nothing more than empowered thugs.

What this man says about the person that he shot dead immediately afterwards says a lot about his character. 

danny.

danny.

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1 hour ago, Zear0 said:

Grok is generating content that is, bizarrely technically legal.  Distributing this content without users consent is illegal, it's an x problem.

So is uploading legal photos of someone on Facebook or Bluesky or TikTok without their consent but everyone does it.

N.b. I'm against what is happening, but I still don't think it's proportional, no other social media platforms are banner for distributing images of people uploaded without their consent. 

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Zear0

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39 minutes ago, danny. said:

So is uploading legal photos of someone on Facebook or Bluesky or TikTok without their consent but everyone does it.

N.b. I'm against what is happening, but I still don't think it's proportional, no other social media platforms are banner for distributing images of people uploaded without their consent. 

The content is very different as you mention in the second paragraph. A platform for creating and distributing CSAM needs reigning in, it's disgusting and illegal. It's laughable that governments trying to stop the distribution of this material has suddenly become "free speech suppression" given Musk's previous campaigns against sexual exploitation. When we're justifying sexual exploitation of unwilling individuals as it's, apparently anti-free speech, we're at a pretty low place. 

 

The incel in chief is worth upwards of 700bn, fines won't do anything. The reason they're amending their algorithms to push this EU and UK censorship campaign is because we're the only ones who can actually cause them inconvenience and they're worried by it. 

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leicsmac

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Additionally, how on earth can Vance say that the recent video released means the death of Renee Good was justified and the shooter was under capital threat with a straight face?

 

There are lies, and then there's... well, that.

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CornwallFox

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24 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

The content is very different as you mention in the second paragraph. A platform for creating and distributing CSAM needs reigning in, it's disgusting and illegal. It's laughable that governments trying to stop the distribution of this material has suddenly become "free speech suppression" given Musk's previous campaigns against sexual exploitation. When we're justifying sexual exploitation of unwilling individuals as it's, apparently anti-free speech, we're at a pretty low place. 

 

The incel in chief is worth upwards of 700bn, fines won't do anything. The reason they're amending their algorithms to push this EU and UK censorship campaign is because we're the only ones who can actually cause them inconvenience and they're worried by it. 

It would take them ten minutes to tell grok to stop creating naked pictures. Honestly the government needs to follow through. Sod american threats of sanctions, it's ridiculous they are so entwined with x with the trump/musk relationship. We can't keep bending the knee to trump. It's not a freedom of speech question at all.

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Vacamion

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"Europe is oppresssed by free speech restrictions" is a right wing trope, originating in the troll basements of Eastern Europe and pounced upon by wet lipped bible bashers who want the freedom to harass women outside abortion clinics and use slurs without censure.

 

See Vance's speech to the Europeans last year.

 

See the attempts to defend those committing race-baiting incitement during the Southport riots and the Asylum Hotel protests.

 

No wonder Musk went straight to the  "free speech" defence when the legitimate criticisms were raised about Grok creating abuse material.

 

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kenny

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27 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

It would take them ten minutes to tell grok to stop creating naked pictures. Honestly the government needs to follow through. Sod american threats of sanctions, it's ridiculous they are so entwined with x with the trump/musk relationship. We can't keep bending the knee to trump. It's not a freedom of speech question at all.

We ought to be able to deal with musk without worrying about trump. They don't even like each other anymore.

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wurmer

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3 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

It's crazy that anyone is using this as justification to kill someone.

 

Video filmed by ICE agent who shot Minneapolis woman emerges - BBC News

 

https://share.google/Al5Ros765NrIIyuDB

 

They should kit ICE agents in brown shirts.

Nothing more than empowered thugs.

This makes it even clearer that he was pissed off and just shot her. She wasn’t even looking at him as she pulled away, the “near miss” or as JD bellend put it “capital threat” looked totally accidental.

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Dahnsouff

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People who want to believe the administration may not even watch, and even if they do, they will just believe the party line explanation.

There is likely no evidence possible to dissuade. True for either view. Ever it is thus of late.

Md9

Md9

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Additionally, how on earth can Vance say that the recent video released means the death of Renee Good was justified and the shooter was under capital threat with a straight face?

 

There are lies, and then there's... well, that.

Think he is upset because he doesn’t get to go an sit with grandpa in his meetings now and Rubio gets that job instead.

He doesn’t seem to be backing down from it either. They could have tried to calm the whole situation down by saying they don’t approve of what happened and they are looking into what happened but all of them went straight on the attack against the lady and now it’s just a bit shit show 

Sampson

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2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Additionally, how on earth can Vance say that the recent video released means the death of Renee Good was justified and the shooter was under capital threat with a straight face?

 

There are lies, and then there's... well, that.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command“

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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33 minutes ago, Md9 said:

Think he is upset because he doesn’t get to go an sit with grandpa in his meetings now and Rubio gets that job instead.

He doesn’t seem to be backing down from it either. They could have tried to calm the whole situation down by saying they don’t approve of what happened and they are looking into what happened but all of them went straight on the attack against the lady and now it’s just a bit shit show 

That's just the way they always do things.

 

Never apologise, never explain, never back down. 

 

All of those show human weakness and humility, and that cannot be tolerated. Be hostile, be dehumanising, be everything that a human shouldn't be instead.

 

The troublesome thing is that attitude gets a pass or even encouragement from far too many people. 

 

19 minutes ago, Sampson said:

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command“

See the final paragraph above. 

CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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17 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

That's just the way they always do things.

 

Never apologise, never explain, never back down. 

 

All of those show human weakness and humility, and that cannot be tolerated. Be hostile, be dehumanising, be everything that a human shouldn't be instead.

 

The troublesome thing is that attitude gets a pass or even encouragement from far too many people. 

 

See the final paragraph above. 

There's no obvious reason for them to need to. If an Ice agent does something wrong, they don't need to back them, send them to jail and just carry on, no need to politicise a murder.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, CornwallFox said:

There's no obvious reason for them to need to. If an Ice agent does something wrong, they don't need to back them, send them to jail and just carry on, no need to politicise a murder.

Not to us, no.

 

But to them, they and no one associated with them can be shown to show fallibility. They're never wrong, the "other side" always is, because if they're on a side then it must always be the right side, by definition. 

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Not to us, no.

 

But to them, they and no one associated with them can be shown to show fallibility. They're never wrong, the "other side" always is, because if they're on a side then it must always be the right side, by definition. 

If you can't be wrong, be strong.

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foxy tiler

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My own personal view on the issue with Grok and X is I wouldn't be bothered if they banned it all....Inc facebook insta the whole lot. At best Its turned folk into doom scrolling addicts...at worst its given lunatics and our enemies the ability to bombard us all with disinformation and worse. What started out as a fun way to interact has now morphed into something far worse. Sadly Pandoras box is now open and I fear where it may end. 

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