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leicsmac

leicsmac

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5 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I didn't reference Charlottesville or anything connected with US politics. I'm talking about the Labour parties antisemetic issues and those marching on our UK streets with their vile chants, banners and committing crime in the name of a middle east conflict. You know what? I might even support them if they weren't so selective (without the disgusting stuff and crime, obvs).

No, I did, because like it or not these things don't exist in a vacuum for one's convenience and I'd rather people not believe that they do, because that's erroneous. 

 

Best to see all sides of an issue rather than just present one. 

 

But on the general point, as per above, either life is valued or it isn't, and therefore either every humanitarian crisis deserves attention, or none do, based on nothing more than number. Whichever "tribe" is acting otherwise is wrong imo.

FrankieADZ

FrankieADZ

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4 minutes ago, danny. said:

I said this earlier and was mocked and everything deleted by mods. Good luck!

lol, thanks i guess ill need it

personally im not for either side

its hypocrisy to celebrate one thing while calling foul of another

 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

lol, thanks i guess ill need it

personally im not for either side

its hypocrisy 

Which is a difficult path to tread, because not only do you draw fire from all sides, but also there are numerous examples of people using such impartiality merely as a cloak when they're really anything but (even when sometimes they really believe it), which leads to suspicion. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

My shock when I clicked the link and it’s about Trump 

Well, yes. 

 

Putin is perhaps the only other world candidate with both the power to shape events in the UK and being rather off his rocker?

 

Do feel free to elaborate on why such matters might not be pertinent. 

Spudulike

Spudulike

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10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

No, I did, because like it or not these things don't exist in a vacuum for one's convenience and I'd rather people not believe that they do, because that's erroneous. 

 

Best to see all sides of an issue rather than just present one. 

 

But on the general point, as per above, either life is valued or it isn't, and therefore either every humanitarian crisis deserves attention, or none do, based on nothing more than number. Whichever "tribe" is acting otherwise is wrong imo.

...and your last point backs up @danny. assertion about the selectiveness of the protests.

FrankieADZ

FrankieADZ

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Which is a difficult path to tread, because not only do you draw fire from all sides, but also there are numerous examples of people using such impartiality merely as a cloak when they're really anything but (even when sometimes they really believe it), which leads to suspicion. 

can understand that, 

and stuff like(which ive highlighted in bold) is incredibly judgemental; kinda like taring everyone with the same brush.....but i see where you are coming from with it, 

personally i see both sides of the argument, i just find it hypocritical......as Life is life, no matter the person

 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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Just now, Spudulike said:

...and your last point backs up @danny. assertion about the selectiveness of the protests.

Which I do agree with. 

 

It's hypocritical, but the hypocrisy, just like the antisemitism, is not limited to just one particular bloc here, as much as people might like it to be so.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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Just now, FrankieADZ said:

can understand that, 

and stuff like(which ive highlighted in bold) is incredibly judgemental; kinda like taring everyone with the same brush.....but i see where you are coming from with it, 

personally i see both sides of the argument, i just find it hypocritical......as Life is life, no matter the person

 

I emphatically agree, and that part wasn't meant to be a dig, merely an observation based on what I've seen. 

 

It's bloody difficult to see things beyond a tribal lens even if you want to, I know I have difficulty with it sometimes myself. 

 

But either enough of us do it or, frankly, our species is fvcked. 

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Lionator

Lionator

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7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, yes. 

 

Putin is perhaps the only other world candidate with both the power to shape events in the UK and being rather off his rocker?

 

Do feel free to elaborate on why such matters might not be pertinent. 

Putin is way more rational than Trump, but also more naturally calculated and evil whereas Trump just wants everyone to love him as his daddy didn’t. 

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Spudulike

Spudulike

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Which I do agree with. 

 

It's hypocritical, but the hypocrisy, just like the antisemitism, is not limited to just one particular bloc here, as much as people might like it to be so.

There are always exceptions to the rule and antisemitism isnt just confined to the left (in the UK) but it is mostly. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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11 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Putin is way more rational than Trump, but also more naturally calculated and evil whereas Trump just wants everyone to love him as his daddy didn’t. 

That seems to be about the size of it, though don't underestimate people like Miller. 

 

11 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

There are always exceptions to the rule and antisemitism isnt just confined to the left (in the UK) but it is mostly. 

The UK isn't the world, more's the pity, though I think we've gotten to a place where we understand each other's points at the present time. 

st albans fox

st albans fox

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14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

There are always exceptions to the rule and antisemitism isnt just confined to the left (in the UK) but it is mostly. 

it’s a strange one 

Go back to the seventies and it wasn’t a problem of the left 

it was a problem of the right 

 

but now the right have adopted the  ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’ approach, they’ve moved away from hating the Jews. (The extreme right haven’t ) 

 

my view is that once the right realise that they don’t have any real argument to ‘other’ the Muslim population to a large enough section of the voting public then they’ll swiftly move onto another group which could easily be the Jews (despite there only being 250k in the uk).  It’s an old playbook - the uk voter always seemed able to see when they were being played but I suspect enough of them can be now. 

CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Which I do agree with. 

 

It's hypocritical, but the hypocrisy, just like the antisemitism, is not limited to just one particular bloc here, as much as people might like it to be so.

The fact that any legitimate criticism of Israel also ends up being critisised as anti-semitism also doesn't help things. Criticising a state is legitimate. What isn't legitimate is making those criticisms about the ethnicity or beliefs of its people, or their right to exist etc. I see a lot of the former shouted down as anti-semitism, when it really isn't, simply to stop debate 

 

The actions of the nation state of Israel over decades is utterly abhorrent, illegal and shameful.

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danny.

danny.

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1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

The fact that any legitimate criticism of Israel also ends up being critisised as anti-semitism also doesn't help things. Criticising a state is legitimate. What isn't legitimate is making those criticisms about the ethnicity or beliefs of its people, or their right to exist etc. I see a lot of the former shouted down as anti-semitism, when it really isn't, simply to stop debate 

 

The actions of the nation state of Israel over decades is utterly abhorrent, illegal and shameful.

Up there with legitimate criticisms of Islam being criticised as islamaphobia.

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CornwallFox

CornwallFox

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6 minutes ago, danny. said:

Up there with legitimate criticisms of Islam being criticised as islamaphobia.

Oh absolutely that can be the case I'm sure yes 

Though criticism of Islam is criticism of Islam, whereas criticism of a state isn't necessarily criticism of its people. 

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