Pro-Dyche or Anti-Dyche?

[Lichfieldfox.]

In my view the question of pro or anti-Dyche may be irrelevant due to his alleged friendship with Jon Rudkin.

If this is a close friendship Sean Dyche should recuse himself from any application to be manager has this could severely affect his friendship and put Jon Rudkin in a potential conflict of interest unless this is carefully managed. 

For this reason I would support the appointment of Danny Rohl.

 

Forest to be drawn on the pros and cons of Dyche 

Pros defensive mindset, install the sense of a clear plan and collective team purpose, plasma exactly where they are due to his men management skills 

Cons football star is unexciting unambitious and won't be easy on the eye. Some of the more flare players will not get a look in particularly the youths ready to make the step up

 

 

[Pliskin]

37 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

Looks like I’m in the minority here, but Dyche would be our most uninspiring appointment since Dave Bassett. Those supporting it seem to advocate that we should embrace our new found sh1tness. The same logic that saw the likes of Bruce, Hughes, Pardew and Allardyce on the football manager merry go round for so long and that saw us sign Ayew, BDCR and Edouard last season for “Premier League Experience”

 

If you look at the managers who have achieved promotion in the last two or three seasons they seem to not really fit this mould of “tried and tested”. We’ve forgotten pretty quickly that Maresca was an innovative and progressive appointment however much his football philosophy divided our fan base. 
 

Leicester are the size of club that are unlikely to keep a manager for long. If they succeed they will leave or if they don’t they’ll be sacked. Far better, in my view, to decide what the football philosophy should be and recruit consistently within that model. To go from Maresca to Cooper to RvN to Dyche in successive appointments would be reflective of a club in disarray with no sense of direction - which is precious why it just might happen 

It’s falling into this trap of “safe pair of hands” again. And this nonsensical argument “he will take us up”…… will he? He was completely embarrassed by Moyes, who went into Everton and completely reinvigorate them with the same group of players. 
 

There maybe a short term improvement under Dyche but no long term…..  as @Flynny stated, Dyche is on the way out. Whether we like it or not, football is now fully transitioning to a technical game. And if you can’t do this eventually you will run out of steam and fail. Dyche will be good at scrapping teams to safety, but that’s his limit. I’d much rather we take a risk on Rohl, than go for Dyche. He’s a dinosaur and would be damaging for the future of the club. Which we can still salvage with the right appointment. 

Edited 28 June 2025 by Pliskin

[Lesta Legend]

15 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

rohl more than dyche tbf

I think there are a lot on here that would see Rohl as the guy we should be moving earth to get. I’d add Cufuentes too as the 2nd option too. However there is no guarantees with anything and how do we know they don’t quite fancy us due to the shite we all know is going on, very real possibility. Maybe Dyche is an active option who wants the job. The club have got themselves into a mess and unless changes at the top are made I quite honestly don’t see how we get back to at least a steady premiership team. 
 

I wouldn’t discount Dyche as he is an organiser and a very experienced manager that will galvanise this club again irregardless of the mess that’s going above his head. 
 

Having said that Rohl did an extraordinary job with a complete circus playing out off the pitch. He is the one. 

[FrankieADZ]

50 minutes ago, Blueman1967 said:

Are those two the only ones on the table? and are we changing our style of football?

theres probably more names

 

i dont think we should but it certainly wouldnt shock any of us if they did, because the club is so scattergun with their approach

[stevostadium]

100% for Dyche.

We need a leader right now to sort the overpaid overrated bunch of snakes out.

 

Can honestly say in my time of supporting LCFC (ST holder 30 plus years) i have never felt so removed from the players.

Apart from Fatawu BEK and Stephy i have no interest in any of them.

 

Clean the slate and start again, even if taht means 2/3 years in the championship

[Pliskin]

56 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

100% for Dyche.

We need a leader right now to sort the overpaid overrated bunch of snakes out.

 

Can honestly say in my time of supporting LCFC (ST holder 30 plus years) i have never felt so removed from the players.

Apart from Fatawu BEK and Stephy i have no interest in any of them.

 

Clean the slate and start again, even if taht means 2/3 years in the championship

If Cooper couldn’t win some of them over, then Dyche stands no chance.

 

This idea of having authoritative figures will sort everything out is nonsense…. What we need is alignment, like we had with Enzo. We need everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
 

An angry ginger chap from Northampton doesn’t mean things will improve. Things would likely get worse with this type of character. 

[ithuriel]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

If Cooper couldn’t win some of them over, then Dyche stands no chance.

 

This idea of having authoritative figures will sort everything out is nonsense…. What we need is alignment, like we had with Enzo. We need everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
 

An angry ginger chap from Northampton doesn’t mean things will improve. Things would likely get worse with this type of character. 

There were a fair few who hated Enzos football, during his dry spell there were a  few grumbles too, you cant please everyone but winning keeps things quiet to a degree. Remember Enzo even had a whine about the crowd.

[Lesta Legend]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

If Cooper couldn’t win some of them over, then Dyche stands no chance.

 

This idea of having authoritative figures will sort everything out is nonsense…. What we need is alignment, like we had with Enzo. We need everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
 

An angry ginger chap from Northampton doesn’t mean things will improve. Things would likely get worse with this type of character. 

RVN is a philosophical Dutch guy.
 

Our issue is the inability of hierarchy to keep their distance between themselves and the playing staff. This needs to change. 
 

The manager philosophy should be what any players buys into, we seemingly have allowed our players to dictate. 

 

Dyche seems to get the best out of his players and get players to run through walls for him. Whether it’s him or someone else the club have a lot to change culture wise. 

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Lesta Legend said:

RVN is a philosophical Dutch guy.
 

Our issue is the inability of hierarchy to keep their distance between themselves and the playing staff. This needs to change. 
 

The manager philosophy should be what any players buys into, we seemingly have allowed our players to dictate. 

 

Dyche seems to get the best out of his players and get players to run through walls for him. Whether it’s him or someone else the club have a lot to change culture wise. 

Only if he can build a squad in his image…. Which I do not want anyway, and neither do club. They would ask him to be expansive and dynamic, which he can’t do. 
 

We also aren’t going to see the player turn over we had hoped for, as we would have seen some movement already, so Dyche would largely be stuck with this group of players, and if Cooper couldn’t win them over, who is regarded as one of the better man managers around, then Dyche frankly has no chance…… 

 

The days of this type of manager are dying…. Unless there’s a side of Dyche that no one knew was there and he can tap into that with us? 
 

I just think this is only looking good because of the “safe pair of hands” argument, yet the bloke was hideous at Everton last season. 
 

For me, his time is up…. He is the modern day Mark Hughes. 

[TonyN11]

Neither pro or anti, so didn't vote

[funkyrobot]

4 hours ago, Lesta Legend said:

RVN is a philosophical Dutch guy.
 

Our issue is the inability of hierarchy to keep their distance between themselves and the playing staff. This needs to change. 
 

The manager philosophy should be what any players buys into, we seemingly have allowed our players to dictate. 

 

Dyche seems to get the best out of his players and get players to run through walls for him. Whether it’s him or someone else the club have a lot to change culture wise. 

Definitely not true at Everton last season. Look what Moyes did with the same players! 

[STUHILL]

48 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Definitely not true at Everton last season. Look what Moyes did with the same players! 

I think people are reading a bit too much into that. Although not guaranteed, there is always a chance of a 'New Manager Bounce' and that was always likely with Moyes returning to Everton. 

 

If you read in more detail what was going on behind the scenes at Everton when Dyche arrived, and what he dealt with during the majority of his time there, then keeping their heads above water was actually a pretty good job. Of course, Moyes took over with Everton in a better position off the pitch and no doubt he made a big impact on it too. However, I don't see how that reflects poorly on Dyche. 

The biggest argument against Dyche, is his style of play and the types of players he may want to sign. Those concerns are absolutely valid. 

On paper though, I don't see a better Manager named yet, to deal with a club in disarray, with clueless ownership, possible points deduction, arrogant and overpaid players, and the expectations of a quick return to the Premier League, and to have a fighting chance of avoiding a very likely relegation the season after if promoted. 

I believe that due to our unique and self inflicted circumstances, if we don't secure an instant return to the Premier League, then we could find ourselves in even more trouble over the next few seasons that could condemn us to the Championship for years. King Power are on the brink of collapse, and Top and Rudkin seem destined to continue destroying the club. They don't deserve to own or run a Premier League club, but it could be disastrous financially if we aren't again soon. 

For me, it feels now more than ever, we need a firefighter appointment and someone who can take any squad and get them working hard and who knows what it takes to get promoted and stay in the Premier League, or at least not be a shameful 13 points adrift. 

I'd love Rohl to come here and be an instant success, playing attractive Football and have us in the top 2, but I am struggling to see it. I suspect he will have us in and around the playoffs at best and just be lacking that bit extra required to take on ALL our current issues, whilst also making us one of the best in the league. 

I will be very happy to be proven wrong though! Rohl is no doubt an exciting, albeit untested Manager at the level we require (top 2) but rightly is in the picture. 

Dyche just feels like that ugly appointment we need right now to get a talented but arrogant squad, working hard and focussed on an instant return. I just can't see him failing to get us promoted, even if he has to drag us up with pure menace and shithousery. 

Promotion for me is the most important thing right now, as I really do fear for the future of the club if we don't get back to that Premier League money. Sad, but true. 

 

[LCFCJohn]

14 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I think people are reading a bit too much into that. Although not guaranteed, there is always a chance of a 'New Manager Bounce' and that was always likely with Moyes returning to Everton. 

 

If you read in more detail what was going on behind the scenes at Everton when Dyche arrived, and what he dealt with during the majority of his time there, then keeping their heads above water was actually a pretty good job. Of course, Moyes took over with Everton in a better position off the pitch and no doubt he made a big impact on it too. However, I don't see how that reflects poorly on Dyche. 

The biggest argument against Dyche, is his style of play and the types of players he may want to sign. Those concerns are absolutely valid. 

On paper though, I don't see a better Manager named yet, to deal with a club in disarray, with clueless ownership, possible points deduction, arrogant and overpaid players, and the expectations of a quick return to the Premier League, and to have a fighting chance of avoiding a very likely relegation the season after if promoted. 

I believe that due to our unique and self inflicted circumstances, if we don't secure an instant return to the Premier League, then we could find ourselves in even more trouble over the next few seasons that could condemn us to the Championship for years. King Power are on the brink of collapse, and Top and Rudkin seem destined to continue destroying the club. They don't deserve to own or run a Premier League club, but it could be disastrous financially if we aren't again soon. 

For me, it feels now more than ever, we need a firefighter appointment and someone who can take any squad and get them working hard and who knows what it takes to get promoted and stay in the Premier League, or at least not be a shameful 13 points adrift. 

I'd love Rohl to come here and be an instant success, playing attractive Football and have us in the top 2, but I am struggling to see it. I suspect he will have us in and around the playoffs at best and just be lacking that bit extra required to take on ALL our current issues, whilst also making us one of the best in the league. 

I will be very happy to be proven wrong though! Rohl is no doubt an exciting, albeit untested Manager at the level we require (top 2) but rightly is in the picture. 

Dyche just feels like that ugly appointment we need right now to get a talented but arrogant squad, working hard and focussed on an instant return. I just can't see him failing to get us promoted, even if he has to drag us up with pure menace and shithousery. 

Promotion for me is the most important thing right now, as I really do fear for the future of the club if we don't get back to that Premier League money. Sad, but true. 

 

Just curious, regarding the bolder bit, what did you think of the Maresca appointment?

[STUHILL]

14 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Just curious, regarding the bolder bit, what did you think of the Maresca appointment?

I was happy with Maresca, and I will be OK with Rohl too, as I was with RVN at the time. The ‘unknown’ allows us to fill those spaces with hope and excitement. So, I have no issue with those wanting Rohl, and will be excited by the possibility too if he joins. 

 

I just feel that Dyche is more likely to get us promoted this season, and as I said, I fear for the future of this club if we don’t achieve that. The gap between the Premier League and the Championship is growing year by year and we may easily get left behind if we stay in the Championship for more than a season or two.  

[SecretPro]

Bubye now.

[STUHILL]

7 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Bubye now.

At this level of confidence, this will be a legendary fail if you are wrong 😅

 

 

[funkyrobot]

2 hours ago, STUHILL said:

I think people are reading a bit too much into that. Although not guaranteed, there is always a chance of a 'New Manager Bounce' and that was always likely with Moyes returning to Everton. 

 

If you read in more detail what was going on behind the scenes at Everton when Dyche arrived, and what he dealt with during the majority of his time there, then keeping their heads above water was actually a pretty good job. Of course, Moyes took over with Everton in a better position off the pitch and no doubt he made a big impact on it too. However, I don't see how that reflects poorly on Dyche. 

The biggest argument against Dyche, is his style of play and the types of players he may want to sign. Those concerns are absolutely valid. 

On paper though, I don't see a better Manager named yet, to deal with a club in disarray, with clueless ownership, possible points deduction, arrogant and overpaid players, and the expectations of a quick return to the Premier League, and to have a fighting chance of avoiding a very likely relegation the season after if promoted. 

I believe that due to our unique and self inflicted circumstances, if we don't secure an instant return to the Premier League, then we could find ourselves in even more trouble over the next few seasons that could condemn us to the Championship for years. King Power are on the brink of collapse, and Top and Rudkin seem destined to continue destroying the club. They don't deserve to own or run a Premier League club, but it could be disastrous financially if we aren't again soon. 

For me, it feels now more than ever, we need a firefighter appointment and someone who can take any squad and get them working hard and who knows what it takes to get promoted and stay in the Premier League, or at least not be a shameful 13 points adrift. 

I'd love Rohl to come here and be an instant success, playing attractive Football and have us in the top 2, but I am struggling to see it. I suspect he will have us in and around the playoffs at best and just be lacking that bit extra required to take on ALL our current issues, whilst also making us one of the best in the league. 

I will be very happy to be proven wrong though! Rohl is no doubt an exciting, albeit untested Manager at the level we require (top 2) but rightly is in the picture. 

Dyche just feels like that ugly appointment we need right now to get a talented but arrogant squad, working hard and focussed on an instant return. I just can't see him failing to get us promoted, even if he has to drag us up with pure menace and shithousery. 

Promotion for me is the most important thing right now, as I really do fear for the future of the club if we don't get back to that Premier League money. Sad, but true. 

 

As I’ve said previously on this thread, we haven’t got the players to play Dycheball. Everton did and they still struggled. 

[STUHILL]

6 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

As I’ve said previously on this thread, we haven’t got the players to play Dycheball. Everton did and they still struggled. 

We are in the Championship and Dycheball really isn’t that complicated. 

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

I was happy with Maresca, and I will be OK with Rohl too, as I was with RVN at the time. The ‘unknown’ allows us to fill those spaces with hope and excitement. So, I have no issue with those wanting Rohl, and will be excited by the possibility too if he joins. 

 

I just feel that Dyche is more likely to get us promoted this season, and as I said, I fear for the future of this club if we don’t achieve that. The gap between the Premier League and the Championship is growing year by year and we may easily get left behind if we stay in the Championship for more than a season or two.  

Ok fair. I felt there were people turning noses up at Rohl who would have been buzzing for Maresca but I can see what you are saying.

 

I think Rohl’s credentials are actually better than Maresca’s when he joined. But we are also a worse side than the one that came down and in a worse position financially. The league is also stronger this time round. So I’m not sure what to expect if he comes in.

[FrankieADZ]

2 hours ago, STUHILL said:

I think people are reading a bit too much into that. Although not guaranteed, there is always a chance of a 'New Manager Bounce' and that was always likely with Moyes returning to Everton. 

 

If you read in more detail what was going on behind the scenes at Everton when Dyche arrived, and what he dealt with during the majority of his time there, then keeping their heads above water was actually a pretty good job. Of course, Moyes took over with Everton in a better position off the pitch and no doubt he made a big impact on it too. However, I don't see how that reflects poorly on Dyche. 

The biggest argument against Dyche, is his style of play and the types of players he may want to sign. Those concerns are absolutely valid. 

On paper though, I don't see a better Manager named yet, to deal with a club in disarray, with clueless ownership, possible points deduction, arrogant and overpaid players, and the expectations of a quick return to the Premier League, and to have a fighting chance of avoiding a very likely relegation the season after if promoted. 

I believe that due to our unique and self inflicted circumstances, if we don't secure an instant return to the Premier League, then we could find ourselves in even more trouble over the next few seasons that could condemn us to the Championship for years. King Power are on the brink of collapse, and Top and Rudkin seem destined to continue destroying the club. They don't deserve to own or run a Premier League club, but it could be disastrous financially if we aren't again soon. 

For me, it feels now more than ever, we need a firefighter appointment and someone who can take any squad and get them working hard and who knows what it takes to get promoted and stay in the Premier League, or at least not be a shameful 13 points adrift. 

I'd love Rohl to come here and be an instant success, playing attractive Football and have us in the top 2, but I am struggling to see it. I suspect he will have us in and around the playoffs at best and just be lacking that bit extra required to take on ALL our current issues, whilst also making us one of the best in the league. 

I will be very happy to be proven wrong though! Rohl is no doubt an exciting, albeit untested Manager at the level we require (top 2) but rightly is in the picture. 

Dyche just feels like that ugly appointment we need right now to get a talented but arrogant squad, working hard and focussed on an instant return. I just can't see him failing to get us promoted, even if he has to drag us up with pure menace and shithousery. 

Promotion for me is the most important thing right now, as I really do fear for the future of the club if we don't get back to that Premier League money. Sad, but true. 

 

good points, but the thing with the moyes thing, it was one hell of a new manager bounce as it lasted a good number of months.

moyes might have had the better off the pitch position but he still had all the players Dyche did, and he got more of a tune out of them, if you see what everton fans have to say about him you wouldnt be overly impressed.

and an expectation of going straight back up too....sorry the club will be morons to think this, they go up they go straight back down if we did, the club seem to have a scattergun approach to manager/players atm, which needs to stop, you donnt get success from forever changing football styles,

 

Dyche hasnt managed in the championship in 10 years, by no means does it mean hes going to be a success, 

some managers just seem to have right fits at club, Pearson with us, Wilder at Sheff Utd, Dyche at Burnley

 

the future of the club should be ok, why do i say that, look at the talent we have coming thru atm, 

all due respect to Dyche hes not the man to take us forward long term

[STUHILL]

Just now, LCFCJohn said:

Ok fair. I felt there were people turning noses up at Rohl who would have been buzzing for Maresca but I can see what you are saying.

 

I think Rohl’s credentials are actually better than Maresca’s when he joined. But we are also a worse side than the one that came down and in a worse position financially. The league is also stronger this time round. So I’m not sure what to expect if he comes in.

Agreed. I think people are underestimating how bad things are on and off the pitch this time around. 

 

If it is Rohl, then he will need a lot of character to deal with everything as well as the expectations of an automatic promotion push. 

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

We are in the Championship and Dycheball really isn’t that complicated. 

Who in our squad is built for Dyche’s physical non complicated long ball tactics then?  It pretty much discounts all the promising young players we have. He prefers physical centre halves and defensive fullbacks, legs in central midfield rather than craft, a big lad upfront and direct getting the crosses in from traditional wingers. 

[STUHILL]

10 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Who in our squad is built for Dyche’s physical non complicated long ball tactics then?  It pretty much discounts all the promising young players we have. He prefers physical centre halves and defensive fullbacks, legs in central midfield rather than craft, a big lad upfront and direct getting the crosses in from traditional wingers. 

As with any Manager coming in, unless we are under a transfer embargo, there will be signings made. And just as some non technical players adapted surprisingly well to Maresca's style, e.g Ndidi, I expect a number of players in the squad to also adapt well to a more direct style. I would quite like to see some of these current players be more physical and play more direct. 

It is all IFs and BUTs though. No one knows our future signings or how some players will adapt to a new Manager. 

Things seem to be pointing towards Rohl right now, so let's hope he is the right choice. It was a 55-45 decision for me in favour of Dyche, as I see the appeal of Rohl too, albeit a lot of hope attached to that. 

[funkyrobot]

22 hours ago, STUHILL said:

As with any Manager coming in, unless we are under a transfer embargo, there will be signings made. And just as some non technical players adapted surprisingly well to Maresca's style, e.g Ndidi, I expect a number of players in the squad to also adapt well to a more direct style. I would quite like to see some of these current players be more physical and play more direct. 

It is all IFs and BUTs though. No one knows our future signings or how some players will adapt to a new Manager. 

Things seem to be pointing towards Rohl right now, so let's hope he is the right choice. It was a 55-45 decision for me in favour of Dyche, as I see the appeal of Rohl too, albeit a lot of hope attached to that. 

We all know how it will end for Dyche if he got the job, it ALWAYS ends with his sacking at the top level. He doesn’t get head hunted.

 

A manager like Rohl,  hasn’t been on that sacking cycle yet, there’s still hope with an appointment like him as the future is uncertain. His time with us might end like Enzo’s where his performance resulted in him being taken by a bigger team here or abroad. I’m fine with that as it will mean he’s done a good job like Enzo did.  
 

Ultimately let’s pick a manager that plays football aligned with how our youth teams are coached, particularly when it’s clear that that’s where clubs can earn the most profit to get back to where we want them to be. I can tell you with some certainty that our youth team players aren’t developed to play Dyche ball. 

[Chrysalis]

On 28/06/2025 at 11:29, Pliskin said:

It’s falling into this trap of “safe pair of hands” again. And this nonsensical argument “he will take us up”…… will he? He was completely embarrassed by Moyes, who went into Everton and completely reinvigorate them with the same group of players. 
 

There maybe a short term improvement under Dyche but no long term…..  as @Flynny stated, Dyche is on the way out. Whether we like it or not, football is now fully transitioning to a technical game. And if you can’t do this eventually you will run out of steam and fail. Dyche will be good at scrapping teams to safety, but that’s his limit. I’d much rather we take a risk on Rohl, than go for Dyche. He’s a dinosaur and would be damaging for the future of the club. Which we can still salvage with the right appointment. 

Would you say Pearson is a bad manager because his successor took us from relegation fight to EPL title?

Some managers are suited to foundation building, others at pushing onwards.  But the latter might need a foundation building manager before them.