Pro-Dyche or Anti-Dyche?

[Brainy]

I wouldn't mind some Dyche

[Muzzy_no7]

Pro. But would prefer Rohl and his men. 
 

Think people forget that the football Dyches Burnley played in the championship was actually quite decent. He adapted for the PL with the smallest budget.

 

His time at Everton was a mixture of doing a solid job and looking quite inept but for the championship rebuild Dyche would be a solid option. 

[ithuriel]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Pro. But would prefer Rohl and his men. 
 

Think people forget that the football Dyches Burnley played in the championship was actually quite decent. He adapted for the PL with the smallest budget.

 

His time at Everton was a mixture of doing a solid job and looking quite inept but for the championship rebuild Dyche would be a solid option. 

Also can you imagine Top trying to mess him around, cant see Dyche putting up with any of that, maybe I've been watching too much Bottom recently but he reminds me of Eddie Hitler, nutting Top and chinning Rudders.

 

[funkyrobot]

2 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Would you say Pearson is a bad manager because his successor took us from relegation fight to EPL title?

Some managers are suited to foundation building, others at pushing onwards.  But the latter might need a foundation building manager before them.

No and I don’t see the connection. For a start he Pearson never got us relegated and for me had more than enough credit in the bank if we had been relegated. He also didn’t play Dycheball. I lay a lot of credit for the premier league win to Nigel Pearson. He bought the players, he built the squad mentality, it was all his back room staff. So no i absolutely would not say Pearson is a bad manager.
 

I’ve also not said Dyche is a bad manager, I’ve just said his style of play doesn’t suit our youth system development and that he always gets sacked (for footballing reasons) when he’s in the Premier League. 

[dsr-burnley]

Just a couple of points about Dyche's time at Burnley.

 

1.  When he arrived, the training ground was such that the club never took potential sigings to see it because it was such a disgrace, and the players all changed at Turf Moor and drove to Padiham to train.  And drove back to shower.  The academy was category 3 and appealing against demotion.  There wasn't a lot of youth talent to pick from.

 

2.  He played entertaining football in both his Championship promotion seasons.  (There is hardly a type of winning football that isn't entertaining.)

 

3.  He has a superb record for doing a lot with not much.  In his first full Championship season, he had to sell top scorer Charlie Austin and could only sign free transfers, but he managed to turn Scott Arfield, Tom Heaton and David Jones along with the rest of the 12th-placed squad into a 2nd place promotion side.  In the process he managed to take youngish players such as Tom Heaton, Nick Pope, Michael Keane, James Tarkowski, and to a lesser extent Jack Cork, from nowhere near England quality to getting England caps.  

 

4.  His last few years in the PL were marred by lack of funds.  His 2020-21 transfer windows were panned further up the thread - well, his total spend (not net spend) was £1.1m.  It's hard to build a PL squad on that sort of money.  So he kept his formerly young, now getting on a bit stars because they were better than the potential replacements, and that's why his team aged.  Mike Garlick, the then chairman, was storing up cash reserves, ostensibly for future development but actually so that he could sell the club and let them use the cash for the sale proceeds.  We had £80m saved up in cash when Garlick left; we're now £80m in debt.

 

Whether he's right for Leicester now?  I can't say and I'm not going to try.  You're the ones who reap the results, anyway.  But his track record based on having lack of cash is extraordinary.  His track record of spending large sums is limited but unexceptional.

 

His mistake (I reckon) was that in the season we qualified for Europe, he played some reserves in the third qualifying round against Panathanaikos, and we got knocked out.  It upset the players.  Anecdotally at least, Ben Mee (captain) wasn't happy to be left out.

[Le Renard]

Would have been anti-Dyche 2-3 years ago, but after the s**t show of the last two relegations, I've come to feel that the club is at year zero again and needs a reset.  If Dyche gets us promoted playing neck-ache football and then continues with it in the prem, I'll put up with it.  

Edited 30 June 2025 by Le Renard

[Fox92]

15 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Just a couple of points about Dyche's time at Burnley.

 

1.  When he arrived, the training ground was such that the club never took potential sigings to see it because it was such a disgrace, and the players all changed at Turf Moor and drove to Padiham to train.  And drove back to shower.  The academy was category 3 and appealing against demotion.  There wasn't a lot of youth talent to pick from.

 

2.  He played entertaining football in both his Championship promotion seasons.  (There is hardly a type of winning football that isn't entertaining.)

 

3.  He has a superb record for doing a lot with not much.  In his first full Championship season, he had to sell top scorer Charlie Austin and could only sign free transfers, but he managed to turn Scott Arfield, Tom Heaton and David Jones along with the rest of the 12th-placed squad into a 2nd place promotion side.  In the process he managed to take youngish players such as Tom Heaton, Nick Pope, Michael Keane, James Tarkowski, and to a lesser extent Jack Cork, from nowhere near England quality to getting England caps.  

 

4.  His last few years in the PL were marred by lack of funds.  His 2020-21 transfer windows were panned further up the thread - well, his total spend (not net spend) was £1.1m.  It's hard to build a PL squad on that sort of money.  So he kept his formerly young, now getting on a bit stars because they were better than the potential replacements, and that's why his team aged.  Mike Garlick, the then chairman, was storing up cash reserves, ostensibly for future development but actually so that he could sell the club and let them use the cash for the sale proceeds.  We had £80m saved up in cash when Garlick left; we're now £80m in debt.

 

Whether he's right for Leicester now?  I can't say and I'm not going to try.  You're the ones who reap the results, anyway.  But his track record based on having lack of cash is extraordinary.  His track record of spending large sums is limited but unexceptional.

 

His mistake (I reckon) was that in the season we qualified for Europe, he played some reserves in the third qualifying round against Panathanaikos, and we got knocked out.  It upset the players.  Anecdotally at least, Ben Mee (captain) wasn't happy to be left out.

I tried to make the point about your academy previously on here. The criticism of "he doesn't play youth" isn't fair, even more so considering any decent player will have the Manchester and potentially even Merseyside scouts round him. I am under the impression he had a lot to do with your new training ground?

[FrankieADZ]

Just now, Fox92 said:

I tried to make the point about your academy previously on here. The criticism of "he doesn't play youth" isn't fair, even more so considering any decent player will have the Manchester and potentially even Merseyside scouts round him. I am under the impression he had a lot to do with your new training ground?

tbf he rarely gave many a chance at Everton, only did so when other players got injured

[dsr-burnley]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I tried to make the point about your academy previously on here. The criticism of "he doesn't play youth" isn't fair, even more so considering any decent player will have the Manchester and potentially even Merseyside scouts round him. I am under the impression he had a lot to do with your new training ground?

Pivotal to it.  When we got promoted in 2014 he insisted that a large chunk of the Sky TV money should be used for redeveloping the training ground.  It cost £11m in the end, out of perhaps £40m annual TV money at the time.  (After the previous promotion in 2009 they had spent nothing on upgrading.)

[Chrysalis]

20 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

No and I don’t see the connection. For a start he Pearson never got us relegated and for me had more than enough credit in the bank if we had been relegated. He also didn’t play Dycheball. I lay a lot of credit for the premier league win to Nigel Pearson. He bought the players, he built the squad mentality, it was all his back room staff. So no i absolutely would not say Pearson is a bad manager.
 

I’ve also not said Dyche is a bad manager, I’ve just said his style of play doesn’t suit our youth system development and that he always gets sacked (for footballing reasons) when he’s in the Premier League. 

Dyche hasnt got us relegated either.

[Quorndon_Fox]

I'd take Dyche, I think he'd get us back up and do a job keeping us up which sadly is where we are now.

[Thebluefox85]

I would take Dyche he's always done a solid job makes safe signings takes no sh1t think he's exactly what we need to reset tbh! he knows the Championship well and knows what it takes. and lets put it this way he isn't going to be the worst manager we will have employed! but whoever comes in needs some financial backing or it doesn't matter who comes in they will not succeed. 

[FoxinNotts]

I'd take Dyche or Rohl tbf. Just want to get on with it now.

[ARTY_FOX]

We don't have anywhere close to the personnel needed for dyche 

[Guppys Love Child]

Anti

I just don't think his brand of football suits our current crop of players, and its too defence minded for my taste. It has the potential to be a borefest on match day.

 

Our biggest assets are our attacking players and the youth that need playing opportunities to progress, I think Dyche will blunt these players effectiveness in favour of low to no.re-sale "experience" both currently at the club and any  potential incoming transfers.

 

Its a no from me..

 

[funkyrobot]

9 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Dyche hasnt got us relegated either.

That’s because Dyche hasn’t managed us. 🥴

[STUHILL]

I think those dead against Dyche can relax a little more. He would have been announced shortly after RVN sacking. Very much doubt it will be him now.

 

Rohl and his complicated situation, seems to be a plausible reason for a delay in announcing a new Manager. 

[Harry the Cat]

Anybody else read Michael Calvin’s book Living on the Volcano? Chapter 16, Seeing through the noise is an interesting insight into Dyche’s background and philosophy. Worth a read. It might influence or confirm people’s perception of him. 

[lgfualol]

Pro, he’s the type of bloke who’d put Rudkin in a headlock, and I want to see if that happens

[lcfcbluearmy]

On 30/06/2025 at 14:12, dsr-burnley said:

Just a couple of points about Dyche's time at Burnley.

 

1.  When he arrived, the training ground was such that the club never took potential sigings to see it because it was such a disgrace, and the players all changed at Turf Moor and drove to Padiham to train.  And drove back to shower.  The academy was category 3 and appealing against demotion.  There wasn't a lot of youth talent to pick from.

 

2.  He played entertaining football in both his Championship promotion seasons.  (There is hardly a type of winning football that isn't entertaining.)

 

3.  He has a superb record for doing a lot with not much.  In his first full Championship season, he had to sell top scorer Charlie Austin and could only sign free transfers, but he managed to turn Scott Arfield, Tom Heaton and David Jones along with the rest of the 12th-placed squad into a 2nd place promotion side.  In the process he managed to take youngish players such as Tom Heaton, Nick Pope, Michael Keane, James Tarkowski, and to a lesser extent Jack Cork, from nowhere near England quality to getting England caps.  

 

4.  His last few years in the PL were marred by lack of funds.  His 2020-21 transfer windows were panned further up the thread - well, his total spend (not net spend) was £1.1m.  It's hard to build a PL squad on that sort of money.  So he kept his formerly young, now getting on a bit stars because they were better than the potential replacements, and that's why his team aged.  Mike Garlick, the then chairman, was storing up cash reserves, ostensibly for future development but actually so that he could sell the club and let them use the cash for the sale proceeds.  We had £80m saved up in cash when Garlick left; we're now £80m in debt.

 

Whether he's right for Leicester now?  I can't say and I'm not going to try.  You're the ones who reap the results, anyway.  But his track record based on having lack of cash is extraordinary.  His track record of spending large sums is limited but unexceptional.

 

His mistake (I reckon) was that in the season we qualified for Europe, he played some reserves in the third qualifying round against Panathanaikos, and we got knocked out.  It upset the players.  Anecdotally at least, Ben Mee (captain) wasn't happy to be left out.

Exactly I think some people seem to have this made up image of dyche in there head that isn’t true and keep bashing him for things he hasn’t actually done. Would be a very good appointment in my opinion 

[BenTheFox]

On 01/07/2025 at 10:58, ARTY_FOX said:

We don't have anywhere close to the personnel needed for dyche 

I'm not sure I agree. I could see Mavididi, Ayew, Ndidi, Choudhury, Souttar, Nelson, Fatawu, McAteer and dare I say, even Daka being somewhat compatable with Dyche at Championship level.

 

I'm not saying I neccessarily want him but a plus side is that I think he's got enough about to at least make sure we avoid a complete catastrophe. Even if he doesn't get us promoted this season  I'm confident that we wouldn't be anywhere near relegation battle with him unless there's an enormous points deduction I.e greater than 15 points. 

[BenTheFox]

One criticism of Dyche that I really don't understand is 'he'll play the likes of Ayew and BDR'. So what? If he plays them and is able to get a tune out of them, isn't that a good thing? No one's taking them off us, so shouldn't we at least try and get something out of them?

Edited 4 July 2025 by BenTheFox