Ben Nelson

[GorlestonFox]

Just now, Noahfence said:

You could honestly be talking about Faes, Vestergaard or Okoli here 

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

[Noahfence]

6 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

Yep Nelson should get the nod because he was born in 2004. That’s definitely it. 

[moore_94]

10 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

Why do the others keep getting chance after chance despite regularly making mistakes but Nelson gets 1 appearance and he is done?

 

Then you also have the issues Vestergaard has had with the club, and Faes wanting out, why should they still opportunities with seemingly no repercussions for poor performances

Edited 2 October 2025 by moore_94

[Stormfox]

He would have returned from Oxford expecting to be playing, the club refuses a sale or another loan but Marti won't even have him on the bench but drags him to every game as if to rub his nose in it. I doubt he knows what's is going on and yes, he had a very bad 45 against Huddersfield, as did the team, which I'm sure he would say himself but does that mean he should be in the situation he's in? He'll be away from here when his contract is up if not before.... He won't sign another contract unless he's starting regularly for long period. Another club has to pay compensation up to age 24, even at the end of contract I believe, and I think if he goes outside the English system only the min amount has to be paid (£650k?).

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

Well yeah, there's a chance he develops into a good player and - maybe more importantly - a valuable asset for a club who seem perennially in need of money. With his contract up at the end of next season I'm guessing we'd probably like to convince him that signing a new one is a good idea, and I'm not sure leaving him out of the squad every week is going to prove an effective way of doing that. If Faes, Vestergaard and Okoli were obviously much better than him and it was a question of whether we want to prioritise guaranteed results with them or developing Nelson then fair enough, but they just aren't.

[Stadt]

Play him at CEO

[nettle]

Have we offered him a new contract but won't sign it?

[RobHawk]

39 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

Hang on a minute am I missing something? Wasn't his last appearance an absolute disaster?

He wasn't great, but he's young and will get better. He needs to play and is good enough for this level. I'd rather invest in Nelson and allow him the time and the mistakes so he can grow and improve over playing either of our CB pairings. 

 

Personally, I'd play him with vesty, faes will be gone come June so let him fill in when we need him. 

[dmayne7]

2 hours ago, surrifox said:

In fairness , Tuesdays goal was down to Skipp deciding to ignore the player he was specifically marking and although I’m no fan of JV he was having to make a quick  decision to tread warily so close to goal but I agree should have done better 

It doesn't matter what happened before it because the defending from Vestergaard was absolutely pathetic. If Thomas had been so lightweight I'd have been beyond embarrassed for him, let alone a man of Jannik's size. Was so easy to deal with that all the blame lies at his feet.

[dmayne7]

55 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

He has mate, just look at the stats. Obviously, he was poor for the goal vs Wrexham but he's been our most consistent defender this season. I'm no fan of him after his antics, especially the previous season, but I try to be objective. 

 

He's meant to step up re. that goal vs. West Brom, and it could easily have been prevented had Faes not dived in or Soumare been better positioned. 

What stats? You can prove anything with stats and people obsessed over them now rather than actually watching the game. West Brom, he doesn't need to go for it but if he does, he's got to win the ball. He gets nowhere near in and it actually ends with 6/7 teammates nearer the ball than him. That's not acceptable for a centre back to be jogging back. Faes more culpable I agree but it starts from his poor decision. Last night was embarrassing and he almost followed up a minute later with a dodgy header straight to the Wrexham player who luckily didn't score. Then you've got the Preston game when he embarrasses himself again but getting absolutely slaughtered for pace by a guy who's hardly blistering quick.

 

He's definitely good enough for this level and would be silly to argue otherwise, but he's made several mistakes in just a few games so you can't possibly think he's been decent so far, as his number 1 job is to not make mistakes and be steady. Whilst he provides good ability on the ball, he also slows us down and forces us to sit much deeper than we should be, things that won't show up in stats.

[Fox92]

55 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

Yes. He does not improve just sitting on the bench.

 

You point to his previous appearance being a "disaster" yet Vestergaard cost us against Wrexham, Faes cost us against WBA...

 

We reject bids for him, from Premier League clubs, yet don't play him. It's a joke.

[lcfc_forever]

14 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

What stats? You can prove anything with stats and people obsessed over them now rather than actually watching the game. West Brom, he doesn't need to go for it but if he does, he's got to win the ball. He gets nowhere near in and it actually ends with 6/7 teammates nearer the ball than him. That's not acceptable for a centre back to be jogging back. Faes more culpable I agree but it starts from his poor decision. Last night was embarrassing and he almost followed up a minute later with a dodgy header straight to the Wrexham player who luckily didn't score. Then you've got the Preston game when he embarrasses himself again but getting absolutely slaughtered for pace by a guy who's hardly blistering quick.

 

He's definitely good enough for this level and would be silly to argue otherwise, but he's made several mistakes in just a few games so you can't possibly think he's been decent so far, as his number 1 job is to not make mistakes and be steady. Whilst he provides good ability on the ball, he also slows us down and forces us to sit much deeper than we should be, things that won't show up in stats.

Your bias is clouding your judgement - it's not several mistakes in a few games. You can't say Vestergaard's lack of pace is a mistake, that just doesn't make sense. 

 

Stats are the only objective way to judge a player, this isn't the 90s no more. He was superb vs. Birmingham, very good vs Charlton and scored the equaliser vs. Sheff Wed.

 

I've got no love for Vestergaard but he has been our best defender this season so far. However, would much rather Nelson get a chance, if it is even alongside Vestergaard. 

Edited 2 October 2025 by lcfc_forever

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, GorlestonFox said:

So Nelson gets the nod as he's young?

No he should have a chance as he has had 1 game and been written off by people like you whereas you are happy to clap along game after game as Vestergaard and Faes f*** up!

[Fox on the Rox]

1 hour ago, GorlestonFox said:

Hang on a minute am I missing something?

Seriously though, have you read the rest of this thread? For example, you don't have to go back far to see positive quotes from Gary Rowett who actually picked him every week in the Championship.

[dmayne7]

34 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Your bias is clouding your judgement - it's not several mistakes in a few games. You can't say Vestergaard's lack of pace is a mistake, that just doesn't make sense. 

 

Stats are the only objective way to judge a player, this isn't the 90s no more. He was superb vs. Birmingham, very good vs Charlton and scored the equaliser vs. Sheff Wed.

 

I've got no love for Vestergaard but he has been our best defender this season so far. However, would much rather Nelson get a chance, if it is even alongside Vestergaard. 

No, it's the opposite; you're letting 'stats' (which I assumed you'd share as part of your arguement) overrule things that are visible. It is several mistakes, I've just listed the examples to you? Where did I say his lack of pace was a mistake? Please could you point that out? But if you have a weakness or deficiency, you do your best to not let it get exposed over other things to compensate for it. That's a fact of life, not just football. It's what all successful people do. In his case, he can't go diving into tackles or try and nip in to win the ball because if he does that in the wrong part of the pitch and it doesn't come off, he's absolutely screwed. As was the case against West Brom (as I said, he wasn't solely to blame but it's a big error and to not be busting a gut to get back in is unacceptable). Then the Preston game, he's in a shocking position which they take advantage of. These 2 might not go down as errors in your stats but they absolutely are.

 

My criticisms of him are completely objective. I've stated he is good at this level but given several errors, how can we say he's been decent. And again, stats aren't going to show the issues that he causes to the whole team, nor will they show some of the benefits. You can use stats to argue any point. The intelligent way to use them (not a dig at your intelligence in case you think it is) is as a supplement to other types of evidence, that's where the real value is.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

It doesn't matter what happened before it because the defending from Vestergaard was absolutely pathetic. If Thomas had been so lightweight I'd have been beyond embarrassed for him, let alone a man of Jannik's size. Was so easy to deal with that all the blame lies at his feet.

Of course it matters what happened before. 

 

Vestergaard has been good this season but he has never had the ability to use his size to his advantage for some reason.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Why do the others keep getting chance after chance despite regularly making mistakes but Nelson gets 1 appearance and he is done?

 

Then you also have the issues Vestergaard has had with the club, and Faes wanting out, why should they still opportunities with seemingly no repercussions for poor performances

Because they are adjudged to be better than him in training? Or maybe he farted in Marti’s office?

 

Seriously, there must be an issue with him, either as he relates to the desired tactics Marti wants to play, or his application. Any other answer makes no real sense.

[Stormfox]

2 hours ago, nettle said:

Have we offered him a new contract but won't sign it?

Why would he? 

[GorlestonFox]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

No he should have a chance as he has had 1 game and been written off by people like you whereas you are happy to clap along game after game as Vestergaard and Faes f*** up!

I'm not writing him off at all. I'm just saying he had a disaster in his last appreance.

[Tommy Fresh]

22 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

I'm not writing him off at all. I'm just saying he had a disaster in his last appreance.

No he had a bad half, which is no different to what others have done

[LCFCJohn]

59 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

I'm not writing him off at all. I'm just saying he had a disaster in his last appreance.

And why is this constantly used as an excuse to not play him again whilst the rest of the get chance after chance and are consistently crap?

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Because they are adjudged to be better than him in training? Or maybe he farted in Marti’s office?

 

Seriously, there must be an issue with him, either as he relates to the desired tactics Marti wants to play, or his application. Any other answer makes no real sense.

He might have some discipline or attitude issues for all we know 

[dmayne7]

3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Of course it matters what happened before. 

 

Vestergaard has been good this season but he has never had the ability to use his size to his advantage for some reason.

You could start pointing the finger at multiple people every time a goal is scored but inevitably, the focus is on the chief culprit (rightly so).

 

Point was, he had a piss easy situation to deal with and he cocked up. Was that Skipp's fault? Faes? Somebody else? Nope, it was his alone, so he takes the blame, pretty simple.

[Tommy Fresh]

56 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

He might have some discipline or attitude issues for all we know 

Based on what Rowett said about him that seems unlikely doesn't it

[GorlestonFox]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

And why is this constantly used as an excuse to not play him again whilst the rest of the get chance after chance and are consistently crap?

It's not but some think he had an inherent right to be in the first 11.