Cifuentes OUT

[Spiritwalker]

2 hours ago, CWLCFC said:

Nice bloke, not good enough as a manager unfortunately needs to go.

A nice bloke is the opposite of what this squad needs.

[studentofthegame]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

It's a weird thing to berate not playing the youth, yet complain that he played the wrong 'type' of youth - especially the one with more senior experience.

 

To a degree, i think this has become a bit of distraction. With Page away and Ramsey injured, there was no one in the academy that was going to take the midfield spot Soumare took today. It was a horrific choice Marti ended up taking. It was either that or bring Ayew in as a 10 and ket James play his box to box role, especially as Bobby has just come back from injury. So there you are, you are the manager and your choices are Soumare or Ayew. I think with the lack of Monga he chose for Ayew to be backup for the wingers today and that pushed him into this decision.

 

Its all well and good complaining at the manager, but his midfield choices included Skipp, Ayew, Booby and Soumare. And there are still posters in here who think we have the best squad in the league. When WInks isn't on it, life is horrific in our Midfield. 

 

And dont get me started on strikers. 

Why is that weird? 

 

Not all youth prospects are the exact same are they???

 

I want him to play the ones who might improve us, Nelson, Aluko, Evans, Page

 

Thomas was relatively ineffective in the league below and ended up being phased out of their squad, he has also been largely unimpressive in the u21s, I also reiterate he has played FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES, it's not like he has been a part of the side in any substantial way

 

Nelson had a very good showing in the Championship with Oxford last season and is somehow still behind sideshow bob in the pecking order

[Chelmofox]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Depends for who. For another of the same ilk, yes utterly pointless. For a motivating hands on type, we may improve some.

The leadership at our club are not going to change their objectives around how they want to play. Even fighting for out live in the PL we had to focus on a way of playing.

 

The option that will be on top of their list is Russell Martin. Mark my words.

[CarolinaFox]

Even if the problem weren't how woeful our defense is, Cifuentes is playing one dimensional football. Every game is the same: Create width, get it to Fatawu, hope he can either score by cutting inside and scoring from outside the box, or have him cross the ball into the box hoping to find Caranza or Daka. I just think the idea of possession-based football isn't working. What's the point of possessing the ball if you never score? Or if you possess it just to go to the same outlet (Fatawu) who can be easily double-teamed? Insanity is doing the same thing again and again expecting different results. 

[studentofthegame]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

pointless changing the manager we tried that twice already we need to move the clown players on like Faes

Yes we do, but these aren't mutually exclusive things, we can move on the useless clown of a manager whilst also looking to move on the useless clowns on the pitch too

[Noahfence]

1 minute ago, Lambert09 said:

Genuinely, is nige healthy enough and wanting another job? I’d take him in a heartbeat 

Let him manage us via zoom if he isn’t up to it. Or have King on the touchline but it’s Pearson feeding him the tactics. Easy upgrade 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Genuinely, is nige healthy enough and wanting another job? I’d take him in a heartbeat 

We would kill him, hard no.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

The leadership at our club are not going to change their objectives around how they want to play. Even fighting for out live in the PL we had to focus on a way of playing.

 

The option that will be on top of their list is Russell Martin. Mark my words.

Oh I agree, we will be in League One soon with this direction.

[teblin]

It’s not all down to him but how can you defend him 1 win in 9 and 3 losses in a row.

[AjcW]

Commentator said he was living at Seagrave. Not stupid is he, knows there’s no point renting anywhere  

[foxinsocks]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Oh I agree, we will be in League One soon with this direction.

This will be the direction of travel until we can rebuild a competitive squad.... abd that requires rudkin goes.... and that requires top to go

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, studentofthegame said:

Why is that weird? 

 

Not all youth prospects are the exact same are they???

 

I want him to play the ones who might improve us, Nelson, Aluko, Evans, Page

 

Thomas was relatively ineffective in the league below and ended up being phased out of their squad, he has also been largely unimpressive in the u21s, I also reiterate he has played FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES, it's not like he has been a part of the side in any substantial way

 

Nelson had a very good showing in the Championship with Oxford last season and is somehow still behind sideshow bob in the pecking order

Page is away but didnt set the world alight when he did start ( i think he would have featured today if he wasn't away btw) . Fek knows what's happening with Nelson, Evans was way off it in pre season and needs time. Aluko I am surprised hasnt featured but even so at his stage is not likely to be an upgrade on Thomas.

 

Who else was going to take a midfield spot from Soumare? Enlighten me. And before you think im some sort of Soumare lover, I nearly shat myself when i saw him on the team sheet.

[studentofthegame]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

That’s just not true, and IF there is any dictat from the board, it’s not like the manager has carte blanche to play exactly who he wants. Not excusing Marti, he needs to be doing better, but to suggest it’s easier to do better feels a bit assumptive.

Genuinely other than Still, what manager in the Championship is doing worse with the resources they have available to them this season? 

 

At best Cifuentes has been one of the bottom 3 or 4 performing managers in the league this season

 

Alex Neil comfortably outplayed us (and is performing miles better than us) with his Millwall side

 

Hull pulled some bloke who was out there collecting scrabble high scores beforehand and they completely outplayed us

 

The shit squad complaints don't hold much weight when we are currently brushing shoulders with the likes of Oxford, Derby, and Portsmouth

[TamuffFox]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Commentator said he was living at Seagrave. Not stupid is he, knows there’s no point renting anywhere  

Not convenient if he runs out of baccie and fancies a Ginsters at 10pm.

[Gravel]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Commentator said he was living at Seagrave. Not stupid is he, knows there’s no point renting anywhere  

Joker is living rent free in my head. Out.

[whoareyaaa]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Depends for who. For another of the same ilk, yes utterly pointless. For a motivating hands on type, we may improve some.

Can we even afford to do that ? we didn't sign a single player in the summer

[TamuffFox]

2 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Page is away but didnt set the world alight when he did start ( i think he would have featured today if he wasn't away btw) . Fek knows what's happening with Nelson, Evans was way off it in pre season and needs time. Aluko I am surprised hasnt featured but even so at his stage is not likely to be an upgrade on Thomas.

 

Who else was going to take a midfield spot from Soumare? Enlighten me. And before you think im some sort of Soumare lover, I nearly shat myself when i saw him on the team sheet.

Aluko will be a massive upgrade on both VK and Thomas. If this carries on we will have another Calvin Bassey situation...

[studentofthegame]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

Page is away but didnt set the world alight when he did start ( i think he would have featured today if he wasn't away btw) . Fek knows what's happening with Nelson, Evans was way off it in pre season and needs time. Aluko I am surprised hasnt featured but even so at his stage is not likely to be an upgrade on Thomas.

 

Who else was going to take a midfield spot from Soumare? Enlighten me. And before you think im some sort of Soumare lover, I nearly shat myself when i saw him on the team sheet.

I mean ultimately regardless of what people think of Skipp, he is miles clear of Soumare and always has been, at least he can be arsed to try and run around a bit

 

Page is away now but wasn't for the previous 8 games he has been banished for, he started twice, we won twice, he got an assist in one of them, and has not seen the bench since 

 

Evans might have been way off it in pre season but Daka has about 1 goal in 50 and Ayew last had a 10 goal season over a decade ago, the competition isn't exactly strong, there is no excuse whatsoever for Evans to have 0 minutes when our strikers are this bad

[Jazzy_Jeff]

10 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

We don't have a wing back to our name that isn’t made out of corn flakes and/or is athletic enough cover enough ground, how is a back three possibly a solution 

 

Edit: Barring Aluko who can’t get a sniff

Ricardo and Fatawu.

 

Aluko, Thomas, VK, Choudhury and BDCR could all play there if needed. These are professional footballers paid obscene money - they should all be able to play where they’re told. 

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, studentofthegame said:

Genuinely other than Still, what manager in the Championship is doing worse with the resources they have available to them this season? 

 

At best Cifuentes has been one of the bottom 3 or 4 performing managers in the league this season

 

Alex Neil comfortably outplayed us (and is performing miles better than us) with his Millwall side

 

Hull pulled some bloke who was out there collecting scrabble high scores beforehand and they completely outplayed us

 

The shit squad complaints don't hold much weight when we are currently brushing shoulders with the likes of Oxford, Derby, and Portsmouth

These sides are settled and on the up we have a bunch of players with contracts expiring and have been part of two relegations.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, studentofthegame said:

Genuinely other than Still, what manager in the Championship is doing worse with the resources they have available to them this season? 

 

At best Cifuentes has been one of the bottom 3 or 4 performing managers in the league this season

 

Alex Neil comfortably outplayed us (and is performing miles better than us) with his Millwall side

 

Hull pulled some bloke who was out there collecting scrabble high scores beforehand and they completely outplayed us

 

The shit squad complaints don't hold much weight when we are currently brushing shoulders with the likes of Oxford, Derby, and Portsmouth

People spend far too long looking at the names on the team sheet, and remembering what they had previously delivered in terms of quality.

This is not the same squad, it is full of demoralised, broken players, many of which would like to leave.

This squad is now terrible, not because of what their level can be and has been, but because of what their level now is.

We have seen these teams you deride work so hard, expend so much effort, but ours crumble at the first sign of pressing or adversity, that’s why every team presses us hard and well, as they know we just do not have the will to resist..

That is not what good squads of players do.

[Pinfox]

I sat there today thinking Marti football has no identity nor it’s effective. 
As a team and individually we look so fragile, so Marti has his work cut out until he gets some investment in January.. whether he’s here until then that’s the question. 
 

 

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Can we even afford to do that ? we didn't sign a single player in the summer

 Maybe not, suspect this needs to come to its natural conclusion, ending who knows where.

[Zear0]

I know the squad is garbage, but the constant changing suggests he hasn't got a clue what he wants to achieve. Just looks like roll of a dice stuff currently 

[studentofthegame]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

People spend far too long looking at the names on the team sheet, and remembering what they had previously delivered in terms of quality.

This is not the same squad, it is full of demoralised, broken players, many of which would like to leave.

This squad is now terrible, not because of what their level can be and has been, but because of what their level now is.

We have seen these teams you deride work so hard, expend so much effort, but ours crumble at the first sign of pressing or adversity, that’s why every team presses us hard and well, as they know we just do not have the will to resist..

That is not what good squads of players do.

I would argue that a lot of that falls on the manager, a good manager gets the best out of his players, gets the best out of his system and gets the players working hard

 

if he isn't up to the task then find someone who is, we aren't a charity, he is paid to do a job and is incapable of doing it to the expected standard