Cifuentes OUT

[majaco]

There are probably several players in the current squad that could match Cifuentes' results. He has underperformed hugely.  So have the players who have done so under a few managers.

 

I have no confidence that there is a better alternative identified by the club.  

 

 

[Winstonthedog]

43 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Didn't Martin O'Neil have a bad start ? that didn't turn out to bad 

He did .... but he had players who were up for a fight and never gave up ..... that can't be said of the current squad of mercenaries who are only playing for themselves and not the club or the fans .... whilst taking an over inflated salary for a pound shop performance 

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I totally agree with you. 
 

The problem we have is we can’t get rid of all of the players in one go….

Yup but sacking the manager every six months won't fix anything either... look at Wolves they where great last year under there manager, lost some key players and now they are in turmoil...

 

We have lost six first team players including Vardy the biggest threat we ever had

Edited 1 November 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Winstonthedog]

36 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

You said

 

‘Skipp is a better player than Soumare.’ 
 

He isn’t.

Let's be honest you could put them both in a bag ... give it a good shake and you still wouldn’t pull out a barely average player .... get rid of both and take the hit 

[Richmondfox]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He just can’t cope with the pace of English football, at all. 

Even when under no pressure he smashes the ball sideways and backwards without looking putting others under pressure. So many times today he got the ball under no pressure, plodded along and gets tackled from behind. Brain dead on the first goal and standing around on the second.

 

I think he might be our thickest player because of his lack of awareness and urgency

[Pliskin]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Yup but sacking the manager every six months won't fix anything either... look at Wolves they where great last year under there manager, lost some key players and now they are in turmoil...

 

We have lost six first team players including Vardy the biggest threat we ever had

Again very valid. 
 

For me, my biggest irk is he is continuing with the likes of Faes and Okoli when they aren’t good enough, Soumare comes in who isn’t good enough, Thomas proves week in week out that he isn’t good enough…… 

 

The answer for the issues is Top needs to sell up, and we need a complete refresh from top to bottom, we need new ideas and new investment, and a new board room.

 

But the longer this situation festers, the worse we will get, and the further away from our ambitions we will get. 

[whoareyaaa]

15 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Again very valid. 
 

For me, my biggest irk is he is continuing with the likes of Faes and Okoli when they aren’t good enough, Soumare comes in who isn’t good enough, Thomas proves week in week out that he isn’t good enough…… 

 

The answer for the issues is Top needs to sell up, and we need a complete refresh from top to bottom, we need new ideas and new investment, and a new board room.

 

But the longer this situation festers, the worse we will get, and the further away from our ambitions we will get. 

I agree.

 

I think the biggest loss is Vardy and people are undermining how much of an effect that is having on results this season.

[Chelmofox]

23 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Again very valid. 
 

For me, my biggest irk is he is continuing with the likes of Faes and Okoli when they aren’t good enough, Soumare comes in who isn’t good enough, Thomas proves week in week out that he isn’t good enough…… 

 

The answer for the issues is Top needs to sell up, and we need a complete refresh from top to bottom, we need new ideas and new investment, and a new board room.

 

But the longer this situation festers, the worse we will get, and the further away from our ambitions we will get. 

He's dropped both Faes and Okoli over different spells. Obvs after Nelson, one of Faes, Okoli and Vestergaard have to play.

 

I can't stress enough that i think Vestergaard is our biggest issues. Marti has build the team around him and the pace of how we attack is dictated by him.

 

Today it was either Soumare or Skipp. Thats a pretty horrific choice and Marti didnt recruit either.

 

Thomas has been horrible lately, but i thought he was marginally better than VK who is absolutely horrible at the moment.

 

There's not a lot more he can do with the personnel he has got.

[jv1]

Worst manager since the last one - out 

[Mickyblueeyes]

This squad is not Levein/Kelly/Holloway standard. Far from it. I mean they’re a bunch of pricks but on talent alone, those lot didn’t have a Fatawu standard player for starters. And even though they are not firing at the moment, neither did they have a Winks, Mavididi, Vestegaard or Okoli. Add Monga and Riccy P. 
 

This manager cannot get a tune out of them. Some of them have been down here before and look a quarter of the player they were just two seasons ago. 

[Clever Fox]

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

Who would you bring in above them?

I never made that quote. This is what I said.

  3 hours ago, studentofthegame said:

It's like you can't actually read

 

At no point has anyone suggested he is good

 

The fact is he is better than Soumare, but neither of them should be starting as mentioned in my last line

But he isn't better than Soumare that's the point. Skipp isn't even non league standard.

 

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[trabuch]

Lets just keep sacking managers. Over and over and over again. That will fix us. Toxic ****ing club with toxic ****ing fans. The problem is at the Top.

Edited 1 November 2025 by trabuch

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, trabuch said:

Lets just keep sacking managers. Over and over and over again. That will fix us. Toxic ****ing club with toxic ****ing fans. 

So we just keep a shit manager, clap our clap banners at the shit gutless idiots in the squad he picks, wave our honesty flags, all the way down to league two? Cracking! If we go down again it’s not the end of it, there is no Pearson to save us this time. 

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Just because the club is rotten and the owner and DoF are a massive problem, doesn't mean the manager takes zero blame. Ultimately the last three appointments have been shocking. 

 

Marti should be doing more than he is with the squad at this level, this can't be argued. 

 

He's been here three months now and still doesn't know his best team. Shite

[Chelmofox]

Just now, Heart-Shaped Fox said:

Just because the club is rotten and the owner and DoF are a massive problem, doesn't mean the manager takes zero blame. Ultimately the last three appointments have been shocking. 

 

Marti should be doing more than he is with the squad at this level, this can't be argued. 

 

He's been here three months now and still doesn't know his best team. Shite

There isnt one - thats the problem.

[trabuch]

8 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

So we just keep a shit manager, clap our clap banners at the shit gutless idiots in the squad he picks, wave our honesty flags, all the way down to league two? Cracking! If we go down again it’s not the end of it, there is no Pearson to save us this time. 

He's the best we can get (or afford). We are ****ed - the board must be loving everyone blaming the manager. They'll just keep draining us. It's a way bigger problem than the manager and anyone who can't see that is blind, deaf or mad.

[RedSoxUK]

Don't shoot the messenger but I've heard from my contact at Seagrave that Marti has cleared out his desk and left, with Carlos Cuckureyes coming in.

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, trabuch said:

He's the best we can get (or afford). We are ****ed - the board must be loving everyone blaming the manager. They'll just keep draining us. It's a way bigger problem than the manager and anyone who can't see that is blind, deaf or mad.

I think there are better managers out there, hell even the Blackburn manager gave this utter clown a tactical master class, his football is dull, directionless, lack of ambition, gutless, no movement, sideways, tippy tappy rubbish.

 

I agree the club has bigger problems, the fact the 3rd rate manager was even on the list is one, but he is out of his depth and set in a mantra that simply doesn’t work. If he can’t see playing the same way with the same players each week ain’t working, he’s even more clueless that I thought. 

[trabuch]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think there are better managers out there, hell even the Blackburn manager gave this utter clown a tactical master class, his football is dull, directionless, lack of ambition, gutless, no movement, sideways, tippy tappy rubbish.

 

I agree the club has bigger problems, the fact the 3rd rate manager was even on the list is one, but he is out of his depth and set in a mantra that simply doesn’t work. If he can’t see playing the same way with the same players each week ain’t working, he’s even more clueless that I thought. 

We might get a bounce for a game or two. If some of the players get a bit of confidence they may start performing, but it will only be papering over the cracks. We need the club sold NOW. The board is shit. And until it changes at the top we'll just keep going round and round. I'm just very very sad. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Does make me smile to read how shit our players are but then lump on the manager that he is too blame, if we sack Marti that is 3 managers in 51 games at what point do we accept that barring a few, this is a squad full of players who want out, today the majority of players threw the manager under a bus and the fans threw in the towel as soon as we went 1-0 down. 
 

we bemoan players for being weak but bloody hell booing every misplaced pass from 20 minutes on was appalling, we back the lads …..bullshit, the players were crap today but so were the crowd, not sure how we expect to blood the youngsters in that environment. Poor show all ends up today. 

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, trabuch said:

We might get a bounce for a game or two. If some of the players get a bit of confidence they may start performing, but it will only be papering over the cracks. We need the club sold NOW. The board is shit. And until it changes at the top we'll just keep going round and round. I'm just very very sad. 

It needs a really big personality to come in, probably someone who can build something from nothing. It is sad where the club is going, that’s the most frustrating thing, it’s like a slow motion car crash and I can genuinely see the club in league 2 in the next few years unless something changes, there just nothing, no spark, no excitement, no glimmer for the future. The good young talents will be sold to pay the loans the. Club took secured on Premier league to money we will never get. I saw this coming when Brendan Rodgers was here after the covid collapse, the soft underbelly and ability to have long losing streaks, everyone called me a miserable moan twat then but sadly it came true. 

[Foxin_Mad]

7 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Does make me smile to read how shit our players are but then lump on the manager that he is too blame, if we sack Marti that is 3 managers in 51 games at what point do we accept that barring a few, this is a squad full of players who want out, today the majority of players threw the manager under a bus and the fans threw in the towel as soon as we went 1-0 down. 
 

we bemoan players for being weak but bloody hell booing every misplaced pass from 20 minutes on was appalling, we back the lads …..bullshit, the players were crap today but so were the crowd, not sure how we expect to blood the youngsters in that environment. Poor show all ends up today. 

I mean come on, it’s the consistent attitude of these players. They lose the ball and jog off or throw their arms up in the air. If the players were getting stuck in and showing some real effort, pressing etc the fans would respond. We are on the 2nd year of insipid gutless shit from these players, the managers sets them up, the manager picks the players, the manager decides on what subs and when. I don’t necessarily need to see good talented players but I want to see players give their all for 90 minutes. If that lot gave their all today, then they are ****ing stealing a living, I’ve seen better pub teams, **** me big ten pint John is a better striker than Caranza

Edited 1 November 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

This squad is not Levein/Kelly/Holloway standard. Far from it. I mean they’re a bunch of pricks but on talent alone, those lot didn’t have a Fatawu standard player for starters. And even though they are not firing at the moment, neither did they have a Winks, Mavididi, Vestegaard or Okoli. Add Monga and Riccy P. 
 

This manager cannot get a tune out of them. Some of them have been down here before and look a quarter of the player they were just two seasons ago. 

I don't know. That squad had McAuley in it, who later spent much of his career at top flight level. Obviously different positions, but the jury is out on whether that will happen for Fatawu. He needs to get over himself and work on his game if he's going to come close to fulfilling his potential.

 

The 2007-08 side had a competent FLC-level CF in Fryatt. It lacked a competent midfield, as this one does. But we had a good defence and all in all 6-7 players who were comfortably second tier level, and on occasion better, among our ranks.

 

Nobody expected that side to go down. We had the 2nd or 3rd best defensive record in the league and our points total would have kept us up any other season. The Mandaric-driven chaos cost us severely. Just as the Top-driven PSR chaos may cost us this time around.

 

This team isn't obviously any better for me. McAuley / McCarthy / Kisnorbo / Stearman / Mattock in defence or Faes / Thomas / Vestergard / Okoli / Kristiansen?

 

Fryatt / Hume / Campbell up front or Daka / Ayew / Carranza?

 

This lot just have unwarranted high price tags attached to them, but we're seeing how little that counts for. We also have a manager whose mandate is to get a tune out of those players, rather than refresh. And based on what's happened thus far, any approach which persists with proven failures at the expense of alternatives is very worrying.

[trooky]

4 hours ago, studentofthegame said:

Yes, so why do we keep playing those players, if we were sat in 14th but had banished the likes of Faes and Soumare and been integrating youth and actually taking a look towards the future then I could live with that, what I can't stand is playing the same old shit who have no future here and expecting things to just magically change

We have Nelson and Aluko in defence, but who have we got in the academy to replace  Soumare, Skipp, Ayew, Daka, BDR etc...

 

Last time Page played, he got pelters on FT having assisted Fatawu's goal in a 2-0 win. 

 

The overriding opinion of Page was he's not physical enough or ready for 1st team football and Silko Thomas isn't doing anything either. 

Edited 1 November 2025 by trooky

[funkyrobot]

The alarming issue with me that makes things different with Cifuentes than it was with RVN and Cooper is that he’s generally playing all of the obvious best creative players. Cooper dropped Fatawu, Mavididi, Ricardo, ELK even Vardy at times. RVN dropped Winks, Buonanotte, Mavididi. They were players that we could say would come in and improve the side if only we had a manager that understood their talents. 
 

Step forward Cifuentes who has generally selected the better FORWARD thinking players at his disposal. Two of his signings have been two of our best players in those key attacking roles too! Look at his bench today. Without an ill Monga the only players with a semblance of creativity were Silko, Bobby Reid and Ayew and none of them are particularly going to frighten the opposition. Maybe playing Reid would’ve prevented Soumare’s disasterclass but based on Reid’s anonymous performance v Swansea (and in his LCFC career in general) he wasn’t likely to create that much. Either way, not playing Reid isn’t like when Cooper wasn’t playing Fatawu or RVN was ignoring Buonanotte. 

 

Cifuentes rightly gets criticised for his omission of Nelson and Aluko but they are more defensive options and not so much attacking game changers - after that, criticising him for not playing 17 year Page or 16 year old Evans is a bit of a stretch. 
 

So he generally selects our best creative talent but can’t get them to perform and this reflects very badly on the squad quality but also on his ability to motivate, cajole, encourage or inspire this team.

He’s basically like an informed fan. He can select the best creative team and he can call out the failures in our games eloquently after the game but like most of us fans, when it comes to the crunch, he’s not shown he’s able to manage a group of professional footballers to change their mindset and play even to the levels of this league never mind the Premier League level that many of our players think they should be at.
 

It looks like we have a poor manager (at least for the type of mentality we have in the squad) managing a very poor side at the moment. I don’t think he’ll get the time to be able to bomb out the bad eggs and bring in the type of player that he might be able to manage better and prove everyone wrong, which is a shame because he’s a more likeable manager than the last two! 

Edited 1 November 2025 by funkyrobot