West Brom boycott

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

they're protesting for accountability after one bad half season. We got relegated with a wage bill miles larger than that of any other team that has ever been relegated 2 and a half years ago and everyone responsible for that recruitment is either still in their job or has been promoted in the case of the biggest offender. The lack of accountability and standards here is incredible 

I think it’s deeper than that at Celtic tbf. Over the years it’s been more about the lack of funding to be able to compete in Europe. Obviously this season it’s snowballed into struggling to compete in Scotland 😂😂😂

[South Shire Fox]

3 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I think it’s deeper than that at Celtic tbf. Over the years it’s been more about the lack of funding to be able to compete in Europe. Obviously this season it’s snowballed into struggling to compete in Scotland 😂😂😂

They are never going to be able to compete in Europe. They are a big club in a tinpot league which gives their fans delusion of grandeur that they are a big and relevant club in Europe, which obviously they arent. Watching that scum club crumble is absolutley biblical 

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

They are never going to be able to compete in Europe. They are a big club in a tinpot league which gives their fans delusion of grandeur that they are a big and relevant club in Europe, which obviously they arent. Watching that scum club crumble is absolutley biblical 

I agree with all you say- though it was much more magical watching it happen under Rodgers and then the resurgence under MON

 

Rightly or wrongly though, that was the Celtic fans original beef with the board 

[Clogger_]

14 minutes ago, Rodney Fern_8 said:

I’m going to the game on Monday.

Thanks for sharing Rodney. Enjoy

[JR99]

3 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

One argument I’ll never get is fans saying “we’ve seen us at our worst” or “It’s been worse than this” as some sort of own to younger fans. 

 

Our only ever relegation to the third tier was only in 2008. So anyone who’s probably as young as 24/25 can have clear memories of us at our worst actually.. 

Can confirm at my ripe old age of 25 I remember the relegation to league 1 and Gareth McAuley (?) hitting the bar away at Stoke... Sadly my age prevents me patronising people online, but I'm not sure I'd want to proudly tell anyone I've seen us sh*t before and I'm A OK with seeing the same again. It's clear as day we're being (mis)managed into a hole we may struggle to crawl out of again, and it's not through sheer incompetence, but a complete lack of care and apathy - King Power out all the way 

[LCFCJohn]

8 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

This is the most frustrating thing for me. I'm 31, so not young anymore, but still younger than many people making this argument. I remember administration (though I was too young to really understand what it meant at the time), the turmoil of the mid-2000s and relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history. It is entirely possible that we will be relegated to the third tier under this ownership, if not this season, then over the coming seasons and end up finishing lower than 45th in the English football pyramid, our current lowest ever finish. At that point you literally won't be able to say "I've seen it much worse". 

 

7 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

One argument I’ll never get is fans saying “we’ve seen us at our worst” or “It’s been worse than this” as some sort of own to younger fans. 

 

Our only ever relegation to the third tier was only in 2008. So anyone who’s probably as young as 24/25 can have clear memories of us at our worst actually.. 

Exactly what I have said recently. As with you Ben, I am 32 and started supporting at the time of administration happening.

Many of these people all claim to have supported for 50 years like a badge of honour. Nothing against older supporters who have supported for that length of time and are clued up to call what we are seeing out by the way.

 

The highest and lowest points (whether using administration or relegation to L1 as the lowest or just 2002-2009 in general), have all happened in the last 25 years. 
 

If you have supported the club for 50 years compared to someone who has for 25, you haven’t seen any lower point than the person our age and that is fact. You have seen the odd crap season in the top fight, some more relegations and promotions between the top flight and second tier etc. All of that nothing like as bad as the 00’s and what we are walking into now.

[Sky Blues]

54 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

 

 

If you have supported the club for 50 years compared to someone who has for 25, you haven’t seen any lower point than the person our age and that is fact. You have seen the odd crap season in the top fight, some more relegations and promotions between the top flight and second tier etc. All of that nothing like as bad as the 00’s and what we are walking into now. 

I agree with everything, but expectations may be different between the two. One lot have seen it's easy to come back from League 1 and then play with the big boys and beat them. League 1 if it happened would be a blip on the way back up. Those of us that have suffered a lot more years know how you can just drift along. You've had 25 years of a lot happening. 

 

But on the point of administration that has been brought up it's a lot worse than your last time. Look at what they've done to Sheffield Wednesday. Docking them 18 points for being skint. Who had the idea of giving a club no hope for their supporters for a whole season when they need to sell every ticket they can to survive? 

 

 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

18 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

I agree with everything, but expectations may be different between the two. One lot have seen it's easy to come back from League 1 and then play with the big boys and beat them. League 1 if it happened would be a blip on the way back up. Those of us that have suffered a lot more years know how you can just drift along. You've had 25 years of a lot happening. 

 

But on the point of administration that has been brought up it's a lot worse than your last time. Look at what they've done to Sheffield Wednesday. Docking them 18 points for being skint. Who had the idea of giving a club no hope for their supporters for a whole season when they need to sell every ticket they can to survive? 

 

 

Yea I’ve never understood why the EFL effectively relegates teams for financial mismanagement. You can penalise without such blunt punishments.
 

God help us if that happened, and no doubt some would still back the regime. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

10 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Yea I’ve never understood why the EFL effectively relegates teams for financial mismanagement. You can penalise without such blunt punishments.
 

God help us if that happened, and no doubt some would still back the regime. 

Any points deduction/transfer embargo etc will just be covered up as the FA being "against us" and a big conspiracy theory about how they want to punish us. 

[FosseSpark]

"A tribute to me at the game? i'll see thee theyuh"

[LCFCJohn]

46 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

I agree with everything, but expectations may be different between the two. One lot have seen it's easy to come back from League 1 and then play with the big boys and beat them. League 1 if it happened would be a blip on the way back up. Those of us that have suffered a lot more years know how you can just drift along. You've had 25 years of a lot happening. 

 

But on the point of administration that has been brought up it's a lot worse than your last time. Look at what they've done to Sheffield Wednesday. Docking them 18 points for being skint. Who had the idea of giving a club no hope for their supporters for a whole season when they need to sell every ticket they can to survive? 

 

 

Possible yeah. Although they do say ‘it’s been a lot worse and I have seen it’ which isn’t strictly true based on the point I have made. If they referred to mediocrity then yeah but they are definitely referring to low points. I also think, bar a tiny number of people, the rest of us aren’t asking or expecting to be challenging at the top of the PL again. That has been and gone and won’t ever happen for us again. We just want the club to be run sensibly, not be in what, year 3 now of threatened points deductions due to ongoing financial mismanagement, to see  a plan from the club, sensible signings who want to play for the club. If that means we are a yoyo club, fine. But we are currently on a trajectory to the worst we have been in our history, quite literally as our current lowest ever placing was 1st in the 3rd tier. 
 

I agree re administration. Remember super league gate when it ‘wouldn’t be fair to punish the fans’ when deductions and punishments of that nature were muted? But if it’s not the ‘big 6’, it’s fine to just punish the fans for rogue owners. Fair play to Wednesday fans for sticking with this season. They can now see light at the end of the tunnel even if short term it seems a wasted season.

 

We are a bit different as a huge number of our fans worship the owner over supporting the club and they deserve anything that is thrown our way due to being complicit. 

 

As someone else said, fair play as a supporter of another club, particularly a rival club, actually being able to demonstrate more knowledge of what is happening with our club and having sensible conversation around it more than most of our own fans can manage.

[Sky Blues]

33 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

 

We are a bit different as a huge number of our fans worship the owner over supporting the club and they deserve anything that is thrown our way due to being complicit. 

 

As someone else said, fair play as a supporter of another club, particularly a rival club, actually being able to demonstrate more knowledge of what is happening with our club and having sensible conversation around it more than most of our own fans can manage.

Going down to League 2 is a reality check. We still had support for those who took us there even at that time. They had others to blame. Some people just can't bring themselves to admit they're wrong on something. We had to wait until we were taken out of our city for home games for the second time. There were some right good excuses for them for putting us into administration and a points deduction to get out of a contract.

 

We've done it the right way with a bit of luck on the way. Run as close to your budget as you can and build over a few seasons. Reinvest what comes in. Our overspending led us to the wilderness for nearly 20 years. In that time I've seen several more clubs go the same way.

 

Administration used to be a word used in football. Now it comes with a cost. That's relegation normally for starters. 12 points for the administration. Football debts must be paid on time or it's more points lost. Missing a payday by a few days? Risking another 6 points. So I don't agree with those who say they'd take administration to get rid of Top. That's instantly on the slippery slope. Nobody to pay the inflated wages so looking at 2 quick points deductions. Squad decimated for the next season. IIRC you were the last club to go into administration before the points deduction came in. It's a different ball game now.

[foxinsocks]

9 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

Going down to League 2 is a reality check. We still had support for those who took us there even at that time. They had others to blame. Some people just can't bring themselves to admit they're wrong on something. We had to wait until we were taken out of our city for home games for the second time. There were some right good excuses for them for putting us into administration and a points deduction to get out of a contract.

 

We've done it the right way with a bit of luck on the way. Run as close to your budget as you can and build over a few seasons. Reinvest what comes in. Our overspending led us to the wilderness for nearly 20 years. In that time I've seen several more clubs go the same way.

 

Administration used to be a word used in football. Now it comes with a cost. That's relegation normally for starters. 12 points for the administration. Football debts must be paid on time or it's more points lost. Missing a payday by a few days? Risking another 6 points. So I don't agree with those who say they'd take administration to get rid of Top. That's instantly on the slippery slope. Nobody to pay the inflated wages so looking at 2 quick points deductions. Squad decimated for the next season. IIRC you were the last club to go into administration before the points deduction came in. It's a different ball game now.

Its not impossible  that we enter administration.  hmrc will not give clubs a pass.  Kp will not bail lcfc out.

Administration would shake the creditors and top....  its not all bad!

[Larry_LCFC]

-5 degrees, sat watching Leicester get battered by West Brom on a Monday night. I'd genuinely rather soil myself and sit in it.

Edited 4 January by Larry_LCFC

[Vowels]

3 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said:

-5 degrees, sat watching Leicester get battered by West Brom on a Monday night. I'd genuinely rather soil myself and sit in it.

Its a wonderful world we live in where these things are not mutually exclusive. Do both. A so called dirty protest, if it can indeed so be called, as it were (which it is) if you will (and I assume you will)

[Filbert_Ross]

I don't think I can be arsed. First day back at work , another £40-50 in the pub etc.  

getting home about 11:30pm to be at work at 5:30am the following day. 
All for what? Served up a freezing cold platter of turd.  

[Sky Blues]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

Its not impossible  that we enter administration.  hmrc will not give clubs a pass.  Kp will not bail lcfc out.

Administration would shake the creditors and top....  its not all bad!

So an immediate 12 point deduction and that's just the start of it. The bad certainly outweighs the good these days.

[fox_favourite]

26 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

So an immediate 12 point deduction and that's just the start of it. The bad certainly outweighs the good these days.

I agree. Once you go into administration, you're certainly on a slippery slope. 

 

Administration > 12pts deduction > relegation > struggle to raise funds > sponsorship drops > player quality nose dives. 

 

Only positive will be a massive reset. But we have a massive chain round our neck...the training ground. We won't be able to fund it in League 1. That will hit any finance hard. I bet we'll end up selling it. 

Edited 4 January by fox_favourite

[fox_favourite]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the game called off 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Just now, fox_favourite said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see the game called off 

It's on Sky, there's no way they allow that to happen.

[fox_favourite]

3 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's on Sky, there's no way they allow that to happen.

Ah, I did forget that point. 

 

I remember the Middlesbrough game when it snowed, my mate crashed his car into the curb getting there. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Ah, I did forget that point. 

 

I remember the Middlesbrough game when it snowed, my mate crashed his car into the curb getting there. 

And famously the Ipswich away snow game!

[fox_favourite]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

And famously the Ipswich away snow game!

I remember getting half way to Cardiff with the game getting called off as well. 

 

Oh the days. 

[Freddy]

21 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

It's an odd reply matey. What's pleat's excellent opening 6 months got to do with anything? 

 

Secondly, nothing is a 'have to do'. The question of what has to be done is an individual choice. You've already answered it. You prefer not to interrupt 

the craic with your mates.  And we 'might' win, taking us from 13th to 11th.

 

 I think it's a bit short sighted and, even a bit selfish. I guess you don't. C'est la vie. 

 

Sometimes my points aren't brilliantly made I can absolutely see that And only mentioned Plete as a reply. I did find the Plete era interesting though, as a manager can do so well then shorty after not so. 

 

I respect your analysis as short sighted and selfish without being able to defend myself. I take a lot of advice and ideas from those around me and a few of us agree about this boycott. All I can say about hoping for a win is not the result but hope itself.

 

Kinda started off joining this boycott conversation as a found it awfully sad to hear a son and father paying for tickets and not going to the match. Obviously they can quantify their reasoning and they are ok with it, just made me feal a heavyness that's not desired. And we can agree that all choices and feelings are personal.

[Collymore]

What about if it could be organised that all the boycotters go to the ground still but protest before, during and after the game outside?

 

A few hundred people would be quite noticeable.