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1 hour ago, teblin said:

The not understanding PSR is being taken out of context, I'm as angry as the next person about where we have got too.

 

He meant he didn't expect to get relegated(1st time), so then their was uncertainty bout the PSR. Unless there is another bit where he says it.

 

The bit about not understanding why we go down, We didn't sack Brendan early enough and we let out Goalkeeper leave and didn't replace him 2 simple facts

I don't know, no matter how you look at it it's clear they didn't get it. Even with relegation they knew what the allowable losses would be. The only uncertainty was whether we could be punished for the breach, which we ended up getting lucky with.

 

Also, most importantly, we would have breached even if we hadn't have been relegated. We budgeted for continued european qualification and that is the crux of the problem.

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The biggest issue I've got with him is he's not got the right people in the right places telling him the truth about what's going on. You just know Rudkin is hanging out of his arse and telling Top wants he wants hear. I bet they are all like that there now and have been for a bit now .His old man was a ruthless business man and put people in the right places to run it properly and if it went pear shaped he'd sort it out. Unfortunately Top is just a clueless twat who can't run a piss up in a brewery and it doesn't bode well in my opinion.

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1 minute ago, StevieH said:

To lose your father in such a horrific way is just unimaginable. He had to try and step up quickly and it was all too much for him to cope with. Left Rudkin in charge which was a big mistake. This combined with covid and PSR issues over the last 5 years has made it a tough time for the club. He realises there have been mistakes and is making appointments to hopefully improve things. No one can ever take away what we achieved and I know we can't live in the past but we owe him to try and sort this out. I for one want to see him stay. 

Yep, the initial circumstances were horrific and he certainly got given loads of slack for it, rightfully so. But we're almost a decade on and the decline of the club is absolutely staggering. We had the worst relegation in the history of the PL and that wasn't something that told him we need to change things at board level? And then relegated again in probably our most pathetic season ever. Still no change? Every single club was affected but COVID and PSR, so why do we deserve special dispensation.

 

He's been given everything he's owed and more. What we all owe as fans, is to protect the club for future generations and that only happens when KP sell.

 

I understand that the interviews play on the emotions lots of us have so we will see it negatively, but even if you're totally objective, there are some frightening things being said it that. Blows my mind that anybody can listen to/read that and pay attention to everything going on at the club, yet come to the conclusion that Top deserves leeway or a chance.

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It’s all good talking about doing this and that and pointing fingers but Top needs to realise he needs help to run the club.

 

It can’t carry on the way it’s going and the club needs a complete overhaul, from upstairs all the way down to the players.

 

Either sell up or do something about it before it’s too late.

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One of the standouts for me was him stating they don’t delegate responsibilities, so if a mistake is made, they’re all to blame. I just don’t think you can run a multi million pound business or a football club like that. People in certain positions (I’m looking at you Jon), need to be put under pressure that if they make a mistake, they’re gone. Football is like that, it’s ruthless. 

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11 minutes ago, StevieH said:

To lose your father in such a horrific way is just unimaginable. He had to try and step up quickly and it was all too much for him to cope with. Left Rudkin in charge which was a big mistake. This combined with covid and PSR issues over the last 5 years has made it a tough time for the club. He realises there have been mistakes and is making appointments to hopefully improve things. No one can ever take away what we achieved and I know we can't live in the past but we owe him to try and sort this out. I for one want to see him stay. 

This is crazy.

 

He has been given time. We've been beyond the point of giving him time for a while, he just isn't up to it. 

 

Proven even more so with this round of interviews.  

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Just now, splinterdream said:

One of the standouts for me was him stating they don’t delegate responsibilities, so if a mistake is made, they’re all to blame. I just don’t think you can run a multi million pound business or a football club like that. People in certain positions (I’m looking at you Jon), need to be put under pressure that if they make a mistake, they’re gone. Football is like that, it’s ruthless. 

Top does come across as a bit of a soft touch. Considering he’s inherited a multimillion pound company he definitely needs to be more ruthless.

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7 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I don't know, no matter how you look at it it's clear they didn't get it. Even with relegation they knew what the allowable losses would be. The only uncertainty was whether we could be punished for the breach, which we ended up getting lucky with.

 

Also, most importantly, we would have breached even if we hadn't have been relegated. We budgeted for continued european qualification and that is the crux of the problem.

Unless I’m misunderstanding, if we had stayed up it would have not been a problem as we would have been able to sell and still would have been within the higher 3 year loss bracket. Finishing higher up the league doesn’t have that much of an impact, it just would have meant a fire sale and our loss allowance would have been 100mil instead of 80mil (I can’t remember the exact figures)

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It’s a damning interview.

 

I think it was very brave and I have a lot of respect that he conducted this interview in English. But I cannot help but think it has backfired massively as I think there is a lot of quotes here which are poor translations and would’ve made more sense in his mother tongue. 

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Just now, Stuntman_Mike said:

This is crazy.

 

He has been given time. We've been beyond the point of giving him time for a while, he just isn't up to it. 

 

Proven even more so with this round of interviews.  

I call it incompetence.

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10 minutes ago, nettle said:

The biggest issue I've got with him is he's not got the right people in the right places telling him the truth about what's going on. You just know Rudkin is hanging out of his arse and telling Top wants he wants hear. I bet they are all like that there now and have been for a bit now .His old man was a ruthless business man and put people in the right places to run it properly and if it went pear shaped he'd sort it out. Unfortunately Top is just a clueless twat who can't run a piss up in a brewery and it doesn't bode well in my opinion.

Rudkin was Vichai’s man. 

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3 minutes ago, Corky said:

If Covid was such a big problem, why did we change our approach and take real risks in the summer following the pandemic? Surely that is where you carry on with the trusted policy given the uncertainty?

I believe that’s on Brenda. But Vichai wouldn’t have accepted it that’s for sure 

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1 minute ago, Ron Judkin said:

Unless I’m misunderstanding, if we had stayed up it would have not been a problem as we would have been able to sell and still would have been within the higher 3 year loss bracket. Finishing higher up the league doesn’t have that much of an impact, it just would have meant a fire sale and our loss allowance would have been 100mil instead of 80mil (I can’t remember the exact figures)

It still would have been £105m in the three year period ending in the summer of 2023, regardless of relegation. It was the season after when it dropped to £85M. We sold Maddison before the cut off and still breached by £20M. A few extra places in the league would have done little, as you say, plus we might not have sold Maddison so soon if we had stayed up.

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1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

A young man with billions in investments and business needs better people around him if he doesn’t fully understand things. Like I’ve said  l can’t see him ever selling up especially with how his father died at the ground. Hopefully he’ll get these new people in and start the change that we desperately need. 

The thing is, surely businesses have accountants etc who know the ins and outs of stuff like PSR. I imagine it’s fairly basic stuff for a professional. The CEO isn’t likely to be doing it himself.

 

To me, it’s obvious there are people around him who can explain things to him and advise him and he either ignores them or minimises them if it doesn’t fit his narrative. He surrounds himself with yes men instead, people out for themselves who aren’t necessarily even qualified.

 

Anyone who had any self-awareness or care for the club wouldn’t have put it in this position. It’s not hard to get a consensus or listen to more knowledgeable people. The only explanation is that he’s actively chosen not to. Saying he’s just thick is giving him too much credit.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

So Rudkin gets a promotion to managing director or similar? 
 

So new DOF/sporting director AND a technical director?

 

Is that right? 

No, Technical Director and Sporting Director are the same thing. Either way, it's Rudkin calling the shots.

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Just now, Ricey said:

It still would have been £105m in the three year period ending in the summer of 2023, regardless of relegation. It was the season after when it dropped to £85M. We sold Maddison before the cut off and still breached by £20M. A few extra places in the league would have done little, as you say, plus we might not have sold Maddison so soon if we had stayed up.

Yes but that loss wouldn’t have been £105m if we had stayed up would it? Also may have been able to get more favourable deals for other players as we could demand more having not just been relegated. 
 

The difference between finishing 17th and 10th is negligible but the different between staying up and being relegated is not. 

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5 minutes ago, Ricey said:

No, Technical Director and Sporting Director are the same thing. Either way, it's Rudkin calling the shots.

Don’t think they are.

 

A lot of clubs have all 3.

 

I read it as we are looking for a CEO and then two more for technical/director roles.

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15 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

One of the standouts for me was him stating they don’t delegate responsibilities, so if a mistake is made, they’re all to blame. I just don’t think you can run a multi million pound business or a football club like that. People in certain positions (I’m looking at you Jon), need to be put under pressure that if they make a mistake, they’re gone. Football is like that, it’s ruthless. 

Spot on. 
 

The comments about how he did everything at the time of the relegation with the players struck me as being naive.

 

I know English isn’t close to his first language but I have read the interview a couple o& times and there is so much to worry about.

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