Popular Post brookfox Posted 12 August Popular Post Posted 12 August Just FYI, current tribunal fees are based on three things: 1. Fixed Upfront Training Fees (The Baseline) - the initial fee is non-negotiable and dictated entirely by a strict national tariff based on how many years the player spent at their previous academy. Ages 9 to 11: Fixed at £3,000 per year for all academy categories. Ages 12 to 16 (Category 1): £40,000 per year. 2. Contingent Future Add-ons (The Milestone Fees) - to protect smaller clubs, tribunals mandate substantial milestone payments that activate as the player progresses. For a poached U16 player, these contingent fees are heavily back-loaded: First-Team Debut: A lump sum is triggered when the player makes their professional debut for Man City or is named in a matchday squad. Appearance Milestones: Step-by-step payments are triggered at 10, 25, 50, and 100 first-team appearances. Under EPPP rules, these cumulative appearance-linked add-ons are capped at a maximum of around £1.3 million. 3. Future Sell-On Clauses - tribunals almost always award the originating club a 15% to 20% sell-on fee. This guarantees the developing club a slice of any profit Man City generates if they later transfer the player to another team. So assuming Motsi is successful, we'd get ~£250k up front, £1.3m in appearance fees then a 15-20% sell on fee. It just isn't enough of a deterrent imo and again weights the deal towards the bigger clubs. 5 2
Foxmeister Posted 13 August Posted 13 August How the hell can they justify a £1.5m fee for a player good enough to make 100 appearances for Man City? It’s pretty much zero risk. £20k per game or £10k for loan appearances uncapped and 50% sell-on might deter them.
Finnegan Posted 13 August Posted 13 August The season is starting shortly, we're only halfway through our major needed rebuild, we really need quality in the middle of the park and central defence. The top two stories in transfer talk? We're losing yet more academy players. 4
Spudulike Posted 13 August Posted 13 August 23 hours ago, brookfox said: Just FYI, current tribunal fees are based on three things: 1. Fixed Upfront Training Fees (The Baseline) - the initial fee is non-negotiable and dictated entirely by a strict national tariff based on how many years the player spent at their previous academy. Ages 9 to 11: Fixed at £3,000 per year for all academy categories. Ages 12 to 16 (Category 1): £40,000 per year. 2. Contingent Future Add-ons (The Milestone Fees) - to protect smaller clubs, tribunals mandate substantial milestone payments that activate as the player progresses. For a poached U16 player, these contingent fees are heavily back-loaded: First-Team Debut: A lump sum is triggered when the player makes their professional debut for Man City or is named in a matchday squad. Appearance Milestones: Step-by-step payments are triggered at 10, 25, 50, and 100 first-team appearances. Under EPPP rules, these cumulative appearance-linked add-ons are capped at a maximum of around £1.3 million. 3. Future Sell-On Clauses - tribunals almost always award the originating club a 15% to 20% sell-on fee. This guarantees the developing club a slice of any profit Man City generates if they later transfer the player to another team. So assuming Motsi is successful, we'd get ~£250k up front, £1.3m in appearance fees then a 15-20% sell on fee. It just isn't enough of a deterrent imo and again weights the deal towards the bigger clubs. Monga has appeared for ManC so that should trigger a Milestone fee, unless pre-season friendlies don't count?
bmt Posted 13 August Posted 13 August Just now, Spudulike said: Monga has appeared for ManC so that should trigger a Milestone fee, unless pre-season friendlies don't count? Monga wasn't a tribunal? 1
coolhandfox Posted 13 August Posted 13 August 42 minutes ago, Finnegan said: The season is starting shortly, we're only halfway through our major needed rebuild, we really need quality in the middle of the park and central defence. The top two stories in transfer talk? We're losing yet more academy players. Who are children.
st albans fox Posted 13 August Posted 13 August 56 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Who are children. Hugely important point could disappear within three years …… 1
Popular Post AKCJ Posted 14 August Popular Post Posted 14 August 2 hours ago, Ryy said: Motsi confirmed Pretty sickening really isn't it. Makes out that he's been there through their academy as well. "Darren Motsi joined us from Leicester at 15 years old and will be another strong addition to our Under-18s side" He joined you this summer lads. Say it how it is. Trey Nyoni has been getting rave reviews for his performances in Liverpool's pre-season as well. Just so shit that these players get pinched, go on to make an impact at that level and we get essentially **** all. 6
coolhandfox Posted 14 August Posted 14 August 5 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Pretty sickening really isn't it. Makes out that he's been there through their academy as well. "Darren Motsi joined us from Leicester at 15 years old and will be another strong addition to our Under-18s side" He joined you this summer lads. Say it how it is. Trey Nyoni has been getting rave reviews for his performances in Liverpool's pre-season as well. Just so shit that these players get pinched, go on to make an impact at that level and we get essentially **** all. Not just us, on that photo kids poach from Sheff W and Hearts as well. 1
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 14 August Posted 14 August Was he with us from a nipper or did we pluck him from someone else before Man City plucked him from us?
Kinowe Soorie Posted 14 August Posted 14 August 24 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Was he with us from a nipper or did we pluck him from someone else before Man City plucked him from us? Yeah, Beaumont Park
GrobyLCFC31 Posted 14 August Posted 14 August Incredibly grateful for the actions of Monga, looking after the club that looked after him. Hopefully after shafting us, he gets lost in the numerous 15-16 year olds that Man City have and will sign over the years and goes onto have a below par career
LCFCJohn Posted 14 August Posted 14 August (edited) Yeah, perfectly happy if this is him peaking and he fizzles out into a lower league player. Don’t like this predatory behaviour (yes I know we will do the same to clubs lower down) but the players and their families need to take some responsibility for knowingly shafting the lower clubs down the chain who have nurtured them. Yes the rules allow it so it’s their prerogative but as it is ours to hope that after chasing the money at the age he is that his future would be making a good honest living in L1 or L2. Edited 14 August by LCFCJohn 2
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 15 August Posted 15 August If he wants to be elsewhere then good luck, onto the next one. 1
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