Sly Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Frank Rijkard Stuart Pearce Bobby Robson Roberto Mancine Okay, okay so there are a few.
Strokes Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Okay, okay so there are a few. I think your point still stands though Sly, just because you were a great player, doesn't mean you're gonna be good manager.
l444ry Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Yes, but the point he was making (which I think you well know) is that having been a good player is not, in itself, qualification for being a good manager. Agreed, but just because you were a good player doesn't mean you will be a poor manager either. Another red herring with which to throw at the likes of McCallister and Walsh.
Sly Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 I think your point still stands though Sly, just because you were a great player, doesn't mean you're gonna be good manager. Cheers for the support on this one. That was what I was trying to point out. Does anyone know if a female has ever been in charge at a league club or any club for that matter??
Manwell Pablo Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 I think your point still stands though Sly, just because you were a great player, doesn't mean you're gonna be good manager. It doesn't mean you wont be either.
Strokes Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 It doesn't mean you wont be either. I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that, but obviously it doesn't.
Sly Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 You don't know until you try I suppose. Its a costly mistake to make though. Now how long was Claridge at Millwall for......1 month?
Babylon Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Agreed, but just because you were a good player doesn't mean you will be a poor manager either. Another red herring with which to throw at the likes of McCallister and Walsh. Would you have Walsh or McCallister?
Sly Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Would you have Walsh or McCallister? I'd have neither.
Manwell Pablo Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 You don't know until you try I suppose. Its a costly mistake to make though. Now how long was Claridge at Millwall for......1 month? Yes but to be fair to Clardige sacking him before he had played a competitve game was completely out of order.
Sly Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Yes but to be fair to Clardige sacking him before he had played a competitve game was completely out of order. Does anyone know what actually went wrong at Millwall, I assume they didn't like his approach.
Strokes Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Does anyone know what actually went wrong at Millwall, I assume they didn't like his approach. God knows, I heard it was to do with gambling, but its not like they knew nothing about this before.
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Does anyone know what actually went wrong at Millwall, I assume they didn't like his approach. I think it was to do with his very unorthodox management style! In other words, you can't run with the Hounds and the Hare.
Louise Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 As usual, you insult people rather than debate reasonably. McCallister was at Coventry 18 months. approximately the same time as Levein. You can take a snapshot after 12 months of those 18 if it makes you feel better. But when he left the ship they were stabilised and ready for the promotion push so admirably taken on by Eric Black. He was at Coventry for 20 months, not 18. When he left they were 17th in the table at around December time. Well thats what I mean CL's had more games then Gary in considerably poorer leagues his statistics are bound to be better. Levein's Championship record is better than McAllister's Championship record.
Chrysalis Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Did they ever finish in 22nd under McAllister? No. In his only full season with Coventry they finished 20th. Is there some point to that question? I take it you mean to imply that Levein is a worse manager than McAllister, I hate to break it to you, it's not the end of the season yet, so far the lowest Levein has finished in the Championship is 15th. craig hasnt had a full season yet either, lets take away the 3 away wins adams had achieved before craig joined and see if we would have been 15th then. By what you said I would rate mcallister highr then craig yes.
bald reynard Posted 18 January 2006 Author Posted 18 January 2006 As usual, you insult people rather than debate reasonably. McCallister was at Coventry 18 months. approximately the same time as Levein. You can take a snapshot after 12 months of those 18 if it makes you feel better. But when he left the ship they were stabilised and ready for the promotion push so admirably taken on by Eric Black. Quite right l444ry, Gary Mac DID sort out Cov, largely for Eric Black to take forward. They were a very decent side when Black left (which was the usual Sky Blues Board disgrace). I really do think McAllister got a raw deal from the press (and some fans) for putting Cov right - and you do have to take the Clubs record under Black AT THE SAME TIME as McAllisters', to really appreciate his contribution (ie where were Cov when Black left ?!)
l444ry Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Would you have Walsh or McCallister? In the same way that the Republic of Ireland took on a rookie I'd take Walsh with an experienced mentor.
Louise Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 craig hasnt had a full season yet either, lets take away the 3 away wins adams had achieved before craig joined and see if we would have been 15th then. By what you said I would rate mcallister highr then craig yes. You're right, Craig hasn't had a full season yet, so no comparison can be made with McAllister. No point 'taking away the 3 wins under Adams' as then you'd have to give Craig the benefit of the doubt for the 12 games Adams managed before he left.
Strokes Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Quite right l444ry, Gary Mac DID sort out Cov, largely for Eric Black to take forward. They were a very decent side when Black left (which was the usual Sky Blues Board disgrace). I really do think McAllister got a raw deal from the press (and some fans) for putting Cov right - and you do have to take the Clubs record under Black AT THE SAME TIME as McAllisters', to really appreciate his contribution (ie where were Cov when Black left ?!) So if Levein gets sacked tomorrow, they let Rob Andrews take over and he takes us on run that see's us go in to the top half, how much credit would you be giving Levein?
Babylon Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 In the same way that the Republic of Ireland took on a rookie I'd take Walsh with an experienced mentor. Not sure about handing him the reigns straight away. Staunton has at least done some coaching at an average level unlike Walsh. I would certainly consider him as a right hand man to someone to learn the ropes a bit.
Ric Flair Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Quite right l444ry, Gary Mac DID sort out Cov, largely for Eric Black to take forward. They were a very decent side when Black left (which was the usual Sky Blues Board disgrace). I really do think McAllister got a raw deal from the press (and some fans) for putting Cov right - and you do have to take the Clubs record under Black AT THE SAME TIME as McAllisters', to really appreciate his contribution (ie where were Cov when Black left ?!) Will Levein get the same symapthy from you when a new manager comes in and perhaps takes us up the table? The fact is Levein has pieced togetehr a decent team, he just cannot motivate them. McCallister obviously did the same according to you, so why are people having a go at Levein yet applauding what McCallister did at Cov. Surely it's the same scenario?? Strange.
Babylon Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 So if Levein gets sacked tomorrow, they let Rob Andrews take over and he takes us on run that see's us go in to the top half, how much credit would you be giving Levein? Clive Woodward, Rob Andrews... we're being taken over by egg chasers!! Unless you mean Rob Kelly. Your point is spot on though.
Gené and Tonic Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Suggesting McAllister is ludicrous. The club have taken enough gambles as it is
l444ry Posted 18 January 2006 Posted 18 January 2006 Suggesting McAllister is ludicrous. The club have taken enough gambles as it is Any change of manager is a gamble. Levein was a gamble......and so was Martin O'Neill.
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