Simon Posted 10 July 2007 Share Posted 10 July 2007 Totally agree. Thirded. If he'd wanted to sign he would have done by now. And totally agree with the Fezzler- we don't necessarily need this mystery creative man- as i put in the Clemmence/DJ thread- as long as he can get forward a bit, feed the wingers and break up the play I'll be happy. We don't need these shitty prima-donnas who spray a 50 yard pass every so often but can do fook all else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Thirded. If he'd wanted to sign he would have done by now.And totally agree with the Fezzler- we don't necessarily need this mystery creative man- as i put in the Clemmence/DJ thread- as long as he can get forward a bit, feed the wingers and break up the play I'll be happy. We don't need these shitty prima-donnas who spray a 50 yard pass every so often but can do fook all else. If anyone believes we'll win things without scoring/making goals from midfield they're mistaken. Where would Chelsea be without Lampard's goals and look what Manchester United lost when Scholes was out?. But reading the game, breaking attacks and restarting them are all vital characteristics of a midfielder and in people like Clemence if he signs, Porter, Weso and Kishishev we've already got people to do that. Porter, I'm quite convinced, can do those things and score as well because his shooting technique is excellent. Much harder is finding wingers who can score/create but at least Gradel seems to be training regularly with the first team now and, faults aside, that lad can score. Fact is we need 80-odd goals a season to be in contention. And even given 35 goals from our strikers (by no means certain as it stands) that means 45 have to come from elsewhere. So midfielders have to do more than hold - as we should long have learned after misguidedly using the likes of Hughes, Tiatto and Jarrett in our engine room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 If anyone believes we'll win things without scoring/making goals from midfield they're mistaken. Where would Chelsea be without Lampard's goals and look what Manchester United lost when Scholes was out?.But reading the game, breaking attacks and restarting them are all vital characteristics of a midfielder and in people like Clemence if he signs, Porter, Weso and Kishishev we've already got people to do that. Porter, I'm quite convinced, can do those things and score as well because his shooting technique is excellent. Much harder is finding wingers who can score/create but at least Gradel seems to be training regularly with the first team now and, faults aside, that lad can score. Fact is we need 80-odd goals a season to be in contention. And even given 35 goals from our strikers (by no means certain as it stands) that means 45 have to come from elsewhere. So midfielders have to do more than hold - as we should long have learned after misguidedly using the likes of Hughes, Tiatto and Jarrett in our engine room. It's just nonsense. You don't start the season saying we'll finish in the top six cos so-and-so will score x many goals etc etc, you put together a competitive team with a gameplan of how to attack and how to defend. Allen's team is starting to look like it will resemble the MK Dons model of competitive central midfielders, quick wingers and two goalscorers up front. He hasn't had a problem scoring goals before. England with Lampard and Gerrard in central midfield. Well, they'll definitely win the World Cup won't they, because you'll be guaranteed bags of goals from both of them. Last season our best central midfielders were Weso and Tiatto, and our best performances came when we had competitive players in the middle of the park (Stearman and Weso v Villa is one example) so we weren't getting overrun. The problem with so-called "creative" midfielders in our division is that they have to be effective. If they're not, like Hughes and Williams, it's like playing with ten men at times against teams like Colchester and Southend who fight for every ball. And it's all very well demanding we sign Lee Hendrie but we have tough competition for him and his wages are astronomical for this division. Just because we've heard rumours that we've offered £20,000 a week to a player or two, people are starting to treat the sum lightly. Are they really going to offer three times as much value as our best players last season?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 I can I just add, Porter, Excellent shooting technique, behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB11 Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 That will include winger Kevin Lisbie, who has been released by Charlton and has accepted City's offer to take part in training. Think he'll be any good if he signs? Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city1993 Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 Lisbie's bollocks, but im pleased with Hendrie training with us. I would have preferred Job to Lisbie You must be a mind reader mate, I was just thinking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Be having You Posted 11 July 2007 Share Posted 11 July 2007 The same offer was made to Aston Villa's Lee Hendrie, but he has not yet taken City up on it, although the offer remains open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 I know it was behind closed doors, but did Lee Hendrie turn up for the kick around yesterday then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 I know it was behind closed doors, but did Lee Hendrie turn up for the kick around yesterday then. Not sure but I think some of the attention in this thread should be turned to Kevin Lisbie, he spared our blushes yesterday against Rushden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby or not Toby Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Not sure but I think some of the attention in this thread should be turned to Kevin Lisbie, he spared our blushes yesterday against Rushden. Beat me to it, he scored didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Beat me to it, he scored didn't he? Yes, 1-1 with Rushden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby or not Toby Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Yes, 1-1 with Rushden. According to the mercury the kettering game involved more of the senior players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Not sure but I think some of the attention in this thread should be turned to Kevin Lisbie, he spared our blushes yesterday against Rushden. And this changes the fact that he's not very good does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 And this changes the fact that he's not very good does it? Well that's your opinion, I think he is alright and no worse than what we have got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Well that's your opinion, I think he is alright and no worse than what we have got. Meh, he's not that bad. Probabley better than some of the guff around last season a la Hammond N Horsefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Meh, he's not that bad. Probabley better than some of the guff around last season a la Hammond N Horsefield. Be interesting to see him in the Championship. He always struck me as a player totally out of his depth in the Premiership but could possibly do a job down here where the pace isn't quite as frantic and you don't need a perfect first touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Hendrie can just go and **** off. There. I said it. The answer to "Would you like a contract?" is 'yes' or 'no' - not 'I think I want to go around other clubs to see what I can get, like a football whore, first'. Bollocks to you, Hendrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Be interesting to see him in the Championship. He always struck me as a player totally out of his depth in the Premiership but could possibly do a job down here where the pace isn't quite as frantic and you don't need a perfect first touch. He's had spells in the Championship before and not looked up to much. We'll see anyway, I'll be suprised if we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 We'll see anyway, I'll be suprised if we sign him. Really?!? I think his chances of signing are pretty good, MA is sure to have had a good look at him now and scoring a goal, albeit in a nondescript friendly, can only boost his hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 Be interesting to see him in the Championship. He always struck me as a player totally out of his depth in the Premiership but could possibly do a job down here where the pace isn't quite as frantic and you don't need a perfect first touch. but that would mean we would need to start looking again if we sign him and we go up... big ifs and buts i know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tevez Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 I hope we sign Lisbie, he scored yesterday 1-1 draw with Rushden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escape2victory Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 I hope we sign Lisbie, he scored yesterday 1-1 draw with Rushden. No way, he scored against Rushden ?! he must be amazing. But seriously, if he can play on the left, get him in, because we are looking woefully short of left sided players. Im not going another season relying on Porter, who will hopefully be sold and will find his level at league 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubes Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 No way, he scored against Rushden ?! he must be amazing. But seriously, if he can play on the left, get him in, because we are looking woefully short of left sided players. Im not going another season relying on Porter, who will hopefully be sold and will find his level at league 2. *enter thracian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 No way, he scored against Rushden ?! he must be amazing. But seriously, if he can play on the left, get him in, because we are looking woefully short of left sided players. Im not going another season relying on Porter, who will hopefully be sold and will find his level at league 2. We're not short, we've got Hayes and Porter for the left, Kaebi and Newton on the right. So surely we are short on the right too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 July 2007 Share Posted 12 July 2007 We're not short, we've got Hayes and Porter for the left, Kaebi and Newton on the right. So surely we are short on the right too? Ka'abi - international player with 50 caps to his name. Newton - long career in the top two divisions Hayes - kid Porter - half a season of alright-ish performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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