Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Saturday 8th March. Gradel is going to rip that slow Irish twat a new one.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Saturday 8th March. Gradel is going to rip that slow Irish twat a new one. Who will he cheer for
Jimmy Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Saturday 8th March. Gradel is going to rip that slow Irish twat a new one. Hasn't Gradel been playing left wing for Bournemouth?
Steven Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Hasn't Gradel been playing left wing for Brentford? Right wing for Bournemouth.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Why does Shush! come up when i type sheeehan Sssssssssh! don't mention it
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Please, Tell ME His name is forbidden on this forum
Messi Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 His name is forbidden on this forum Why? And i like your sig apart from they are pointing at each others knackers
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Why?And i like your sig apart from they are pointing at each others knackers I think cos it cause's too many arguments as some people rate him very highly and others very low. Yes they are haveing a gay old time
Messi Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 I think cos it cause's too many arguments as some people rate him very highly and others very low.Yes they are haveing a gay old time it is a good picture though
OzFox311 Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Why do we hire all our players out to leeds... oh well at least I can now say Leeds is Leicester's backwater LMAO...
Jimmy Posted 2 February 2008 Posted 2 February 2008 Right wing for Bournemouth. ooopps edited now he's definitely been playing left wing a lot for them
DB11 Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Leeds=Leicester Rejects Leicester = Birmingham Rejects
Thracian Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Who will he cheer for As always I will cheer for both of them. Unlike some on here I don't delight in seeing any academy players do badly just to score some inconsequential point on a football forum. In fact were it not for the Academy/reserve players collectively there would have been nothing to celebrate in football terms over the the last four years and precious little entertainment either. So many young players have flown the flag proudly for our club in various situations:- Stearman, Wesolowski, Logan, King, Porter, Shush!, Mattock, Chambers, Gradel, McKay, Dodds, Odhiambo, Cox and several more who are lesser known at a time when far too often the contribution from our seniors has fallen short. I make no apology for appreciating their ability, for enjoying their efforts to play proper pass-and-move football nor for having faith in their continued improvement and I am happy in my mind that my feelings are more than matched by the huge majority of City fans, both on here and within the Walkers crowd generally. But I do wonder if present policy will drive these players from the club just around the time they are starting to be useful and that would ridiculous. I spoke to several City fans at Melton this morning and, completely unprompted, it was something they were concerned about too, and most particularly Shush.. There might be some justification were the mostly experienced side we now have blazing a new and better trail, thereby setting higher standards for the kids to aspire to. But that hasn't looked the case at all and I didn't really expect it would be.
Wooly Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Care to comment on the fact that we've not produced a player who's been able to have any kind of career even as a squad player at Championship level for the past decade? Not a single one? Heath had a couple of years in rotation at Coventry under Adams, and was relegated as a squad player at Leeds, and is by far and a way the most successful player we've produced since the mid-90s?
davieG Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Care to comment on the fact that we've not produced a player who's been able to have any kind of career even as a squad player at Championship level for the past decade? Not a single one? Heath had a couple of years in rotation at Coventry under Adams, and was relegated as a squad player at Leeds, and is by far and a way the most successful player we've produced since the mid-90s? I don't think it's case of our academy products being world beaters or even great championship players what seems to have been proved time and again over the last 4 years that the experienced players that we've brought/bought in haven't proved to be any better in fact many have been worse. Even the current intake of experience is not producing either better football or better results.
Wooly Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Just think the fact that all the players we've produced for year upon year end up retired/semi-pro by the time they're 25 puts into perspective the argument which has been ongoing for the same years that they should be in the first team. Makes you think, perhaps the coaches who havn't been playing them, you know, might know more about them than us? Seeing them in training every day, might lead them to realise that they aren't good enough to be professional footballers? Not a single youth player who Adams could have called up, for example, will make a proper career in the game, but he was hounded absolutely non stop to call up the likes of Wright, O'Grady, Petrescu, Dawson? He was absolutely right that they were not good enough. Maybe Levein was right when he didn't call up the same bunch? Shush!, King, Dodds, Gradel - all will be in the same boat in five years time. Stearman might carve out a career at this level, Mattock has been woeful for the first team but obviously has something about him for Pierce to call him up twice so maybe he could make it. Wesolowski is by far our best product, but is too injury prone and will join up with his mates in League One before too long no doubt unfortunately.
davieG Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Just think the fact that all the players we've produced for year upon year end up retired/semi-pro by the time they're 25 puts into perspective the argument which has been ongoing for the same years that they should be in the first team. Makes you think, perhaps the coaches who havn't been playing them, you know, might know more about them than us? Seeing them in training every day, might lead them to realise that they aren't good enough to be professional footballers? Not a single youth player who Adams could have called up, for example, will make a proper career in the game, but he was hounded absolutely non stop to call up the likes of Wright, O'Grady, Petrescu, Dawson? He was absolutely right that they were not good enough. Maybe Levein was right when he didn't call up the same bunch? Shush!, King, Dodds, Gradel - all will be in the same boat in five years time. Stearman might carve out a career at this level, Mattock has been woeful for the first team but obviously has something about him for Pierce to call him up twice so maybe he could make it. Wesolowski is by far our best product, but is too injury prone and will join up with his mates in League One before too long no doubt unfortunately. I accept that there are very few that have made the grade at a decent level but I think your missing the point that during the period you mention we've hardly had a single 'experienced' player in the team that has performed or delivered anymore than these so called academy failures. That's why people have suggested giving them a go. As in the current debate over Gradel, can he really do any worse than the present incumbents? Well yes he could but he could just be better and people, through sheer frustration at the on going failure of our seasoned professionals would like the opportunity to see for themselves.
reynard Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 I accept that there are very few that have made the grade at a decent level but I think your missing the point that during the period you mention we've hardly had a single 'experienced' player in the team that has performed or delivered anymore than these so called academy failures. That's why people have suggested giving them a go. As in the current debate over Gradel, can he really do any worse than the present incumbents? Well yes he could but he could just be better and people, through sheer frustration at the on going failure of our seasoned professionals would like the opportunity to see for themselves. The problem is that people keep on building up these young players into something more than they are and when they don't perform brilliantly thek slag them off. I agree largely with what you say but remember an interview with Levein about our young players. Now he may not have done well for us but he is still a canny manager and he clearly said that of that bunch of players only Stearman was up to the required level and I have to say he has largely been proved correct. It would of course have helped to have had a successful first team into which to slot youth players but that has not been the case but other teams have managed to introduce youth team players successfully into their team and have then sold them for a lot of cash. This is not the case here. with the exception of a relatively low bid for Mattock premier league clubs are hardly knocking down our door to acquire our youth team players. I wonder why that is?
davieG Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 The problem is that people keep on building up these young players into something more than they are and when they don't perform brilliantly thek slag them off. I agree largely with what you say but remember an interview with Levein about our young players. Now he may not have done well for us but he is still a canny manager and he clearly said that of that bunch of players only Stearman was up to the required level and I have to say he has largely been proved correct.It would of course have helped to have had a successful first team into which to slot youth players but that has not been the case but other teams have managed to introduce youth team players successfully into their team and have then sold them for a lot of cash. This is not the case here. with the exception of a relatively low bid for Mattock premier league clubs are hardly knocking down our door to acquire our youth team players. I wonder why that is? Well it could simply be that they were/are not good enough, but you also highlight the fact that they have not had a winning team to slot into. If our experienced professionals can't perform why do we expect more from the academy players. Perhaps a more pertinent question would be why under many different managers have so many experience players with a reasonable reputation, in some case failed so spectacularly at Leicester City. If I was a professional footballer either experienced or up and coming I wouldn't come here the place stinks of failure.
Ultra Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Care to comment on the fact that we've not produced a player who's been able to have any kind of career even as a squad player at Championship level for the past decade? Not a single one? Heath had a couple of years in rotation at Coventry under Adams, and was relegated as a squad player at Leeds, and is by far and a way the most successful player we've produced since the mid-90s? Jordan Stewart was playing Premier League football last season, and could well be again quite soon.
Flynny Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Jordan Stewart was playing Premier League football last season, and could well be again quite soon. Good point. The fact that there's been two instead of one completely invalidates his point.
Mark Posted 3 February 2008 Posted 3 February 2008 Good point. The fact that there's been two instead of one completely invalidates his point. Tomi Petrescu has played and scored in the Uefa Cup this season hasn't he? Now he was something special before he went off the rails here and returned to Finland. It is easy to over hype players though reynard, I admit I used to do it so much during the Adams era simply due to frustration of the fact he rarely ever signed or played a player under the age of 27/28.
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