All eyes on the Loanees

[Jimmy]

Thrac we can't recall Gradel so please stop banging on about it

[Flynny]

All hail our Shavior.

[davieG]

All hail our Shavior.

Surely he can't have replacedthe genuine one!

[Flynny]

I'm afraid he has, yep.

In generations to come the phrase "Achilles heel" is sure to be rendered obsolete by "Hammond's Ankle"

[Manwell Pablo]

All hail our Shavior.

AHAHAHAH

HGHAHAHHAAH

HAH!

[Thracian]

Thrac we can't recall Gradel so please stop banging on about it

I'm aware of that but preferring Newton to Gradel was daft right at the start of the season and it looks more and more daft as the fixture list gets shorter.

Pity so few others. including City's management, seemed to see it that way.

But I shouldn't have been surprised.

[Thracian]

AHAHAHAH

HGHAHAHHAAH

HAH!

Amusing no question. Wonder if AS would find it funny in the circumstances too.

Especially as Holloway effectively acted like Pontius Pilate and washed his hands of the guy.

Let's hope he doesn't end up with the same ignominious postscript.

[Manager]

Amusing no question. Wonder if AS would find it funny in the circumstances too.

I know he is long gone from our set-up but . . .

In the interest of balance, albeit in a lower league

Shee han 8 - What a transformation. He looks like a proper left back now and we'll miss him for the next two games. Sign him up!

Shee han 9 - Quality game and has come on leaps and bounds. Sadly we will struggle to sign him as he is a class above this divison.

Shee han - 7 - wasn't sure about him at first but he was v good and is getting better, no stupid mistakes

Shee han 8.5: superb vision

Could it be that someone is COACHING him to help him with his well documented weaknesses?

But Ollie-one-liner is probably not interested in such mundane football stuff as coaching - not enough laughs!

We will have a proper football manager someday . . . .

[Ric Flair]

All hail our Shavior.

[Manwell Pablo]

I know he is long gone from our set-up but . . .

In the interest of balance, albeit in a lower league

Shee han 8 - What a transformation. He looks like a proper left back now and we'll miss him for the next two games. Sign him up!

Shee han 9 - Quality game and has come on leaps and bounds. Sadly we will struggle to sign him as he is a class above this divison.

Shee han - 7 - wasn't sure about him at first but he was v good and is getting better, no stupid mistakes

Shee han 8.5: superb vision

Could it be that someone is COACHING him to help him with his well documented weaknesses?

But Ollie-one-liner is probably not interested in such mundane football stuff as coaching - not enough laughs!

We will have a proper football manager someday . . . .

He's definitley improved on a poor start (bar the first game) he does this though, has a couple of amazing games, you think he's actually as good as Thracian says he is, then he goes and poor/mediocre run for six games.

All bickering arguing etc aside it looks like he's going anyway, he's rejected a contract. So I don't think he's really worth discussing.

[Thracian]

He's definitley improved on a poor start (bar the first game) he does this though, has a couple of amazing games, you think he's actually as good as Thracian says he is, then he goes and poor/mediocre run for six games.

All bickering arguing etc aside it looks like he's going anyway, he's rejected a contract. So I don't think he's really worth discussing.

When appreciated, kept fit, and used properly he's a class player - which is far more than can be said for those who provide the options now - and there's nothing to stop you or anyone else accepting and admitting it. We all make mistakes.

Mattock might be quality in the end but he's not there yet as I emphasised back in August and was demonstrated on Saturday in admittedly difficult circumstances, but not for the first time.

As for people like Clapham the guy's okay but basically a makeweight.

An appalling eight games in the last 12 we've failed to score. That wouldn't have happened with Gradel and Shush! and one day the management of our club will recognise that scoring goals is the priority for a football club because you can't win any matches without scoring.

And scoring goals is not just about strikers but about providers.

[Manwell Pablo]

When appreciated, kept fit, and used properly he's a class player - which is far more than can be said for those who provide the options now - and there's nothing to stop you or anyone else accepting and admitting it. We all make mistakes.

Mattock might be quality in the end but he's not there yet as I emphasised back in August and was demonstrated on Saturday in admittedly difficult circumstances, but not for the first time.

As for people like Clapham the guy's okay but basically a makeweight.

Mattocks a better full back both defensively and attacking from open play and the fact that he's being persued by big Premier clubs while Shush! fails to perform consistantly in League One tells you pretty much all you need to know.

Now shut up before I close this thread again for once again, becoming the Alan Shush! show, talk about Max Gradel I'll agree with you then.

[Thracian]

Mattocks a better full back both defensively and attacking from open play and the fact that he's being persued by big Premier clubs while Shush! fails to perform consistantly in League One tells you pretty much all you need to know.

Now shut up before I close this thread again for once again, becoming the Alan Shush! show, talk about Max Gradel I'll agree with you then.

No he's not but nothing's gonna change. There's clearly no way you're gonna see the light on this one.

[Fat Ron]

No he's not but nothing's gonna change. There's clearly no way you're gonna see the light on this one.

Same could be said about yourself Thrac.

Please let it go, its gone, done, dusted.

[Thracian]

Same could be said about yourself Thrac.

Please let it go, its gone, done, dusted.

It could but they'd be kidding you.

[Moreton]

Eric Odhiambo - I know he went on loan to Scottish Premiere Club Dundee United in the January transfer window but havent heard much of him since. Anybody know how he's got on in the SPL?

[Thracian]

Eric Odhiambo - I know he went on loan to Scottish Premiere Club Dundee United in the January transfer window but havent heard much of him since. Anybody know how he's got on in the SPL?

I know he went on loan to Scottish Premiere Club Dundee United in the January transfer window but havent heard much of him since. Anybody know how he's got on in the SPL?

Sending someone to Scotland is rather like sending Napoleon to Elba - it's a trip into exile, somewhere you can get on with your life without anyone really noticing.

And it sounds like no-one is taking much notice of Odhiambo cos his last sighting was as an unused substitute and he's not even been that in recent matches.

So far Wikipaedia have him down as making four appearances. What wonderful experience that must be for a kid at the start of his senior career.

[Lord Nibblington]

Sending someone to Scotland is rather like sending Napoleon to Elba

So he's going to sit around for 7 months, doing not a lot, then attempt a dazzling combeack that will utterly fail and send him into utter oblivion.

Marvellous.

[Thracian]

So he's going to sit around for 7 months, doing not a lot, then attempt a dazzling combeack that will utterly fail and send him into utter oblivion.

Marvellous.

But quite possible.

[Ric Flair]

No he's not but nothing's gonna change. There's clearly no way you're gonna see the light on this one.

In your opinion. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but when there's several Premiership clubs willing to offer a few million for Mattock and these are from people who are involved in football day in, day out then it's fair to say you'd have to take that in to consideration that Joe Mattock is more thought of as a full-back than Alan Shee-han.

Joe Mattock will play in the Premiership and Alan Shee-han won't. That might be my opinion, but it's an opinion shared by a considerable amount of people. If you can argue that playing in the Premiership doesn't mean your better than a player who will be playing in either the Championship if he's lucky or League One then i'm all ears.

[Alexikokopops]

In your opinion. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but when there's several Premiership clubs willing to offer a few million for Mattock and these are from people who are involved in football day in, day out then it's fair to say you'd have to take that in to consideration that Joe Mattock is more thought of as a full-back than Alan Shee-han.

Joe Mattock will play in the Premiership and Alan Shee-han won't. That might be my opinion, but it's an opinion shared by a considerable amount of people. If you can argue that playing in the Premiership doesn't mean your better than a player who will be playing in either the Championship if he's lucky or League One then i'm all ears.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOO.

I'm not checking this thread for a few weeks, Sheehan's back in the mix.

[Ric Flair]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOO.

I'm not checking this thread for a few weeks, Sheehan's back in the mix.

I'm off to a meeting now, so it's down to you to man the forte as well. :laugh:

[Thracian]

In your opinion. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but when there's several Premiership clubs willing to offer a few million for Mattock and these are from people who are involved in football day in, day out then it's fair to say you'd have to take that in to consideration that Joe Mattock is more thought of as a full-back than Alan Shee-han.

Joe Mattock will play in the Premiership and Alan Shee-han won't. That might be my opinion, but it's an opinion shared by a considerable amount of people. If you can argue that playing in the Premiership doesn't mean your better than a player who will be playing in either the Championship if he's lucky or League One then i'm all ears.

I wouldn't second guess what Mattock will be doing in the years to come. Or Shush! for that matter.

I've longed believed that a fully fit, well coached and well-motivated Shush! would grace the team of any manager intent on putting a through-the-team attacking side together.

I've seen Premiership managers and scouts make as many mistakes as anyone else so their opinion is just that to me and right now I don't even think Mattock is really good enough for what we need, never mind the Premiership.

I don't think Mattock's defending is outstanding and that's not just based on the difficult cirucumstances of last Saturday but on games like Hull (I think it was) at home, Norwich away (by reports) and Blackpool away plus times even in lesser football when I'd have questioned his positioning and decision-making.

Don't mistake me all the above is to be expected of any 17-year-old and he's lots of time to gain the experience he needs.

But that's the current position and while he and Shush! might be comparable as defenders - certainly the way Shush! is supposedly playing for Leeds at the moment - there's no way Mattock is as dangerous in an attacking sense.

We've been idiots to sideline Shee-han and even bigger idiots sending Gradel away to Bournemouth when he was much needed here.

That's not hindsight as you well know. I said Gradel should be our right winger at the beginning of the season and my views on Shee-han are no secret.

Truth is we've played our hand now and we'll be bloody lucky to bluff our way clear of relegation this time.

[Uncle Albert]

I don't think his defending is outstanding and that's not just based on the difficult cirucumstances of last Saturday but on games like Hull at home, Norwich away (by reports) and Blackpool away plus times even in lesser football when I'd have questioned his positioning and decision-making.

Are you talking about Mattock here?

[Thracian]

Are you talking about Mattock here?

Yes. And I think it was Hull when he came on as substitute and let the Hull striker get between himself and Kisnorbo for an unchallenged goal. It was very similar to a mistake he made twice in quick succesion at Blackpool, once when we got off and the other time when they scored their first.