Bryn Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Apart from his goal and two assists this week he scored in the previous game against Coventry Reserves and teed up Andy King for the winner in the game before that against Stoke Reserves.I don't remember him being at all unimpressive last season when we won the Academy League title and play-off final. Quite the contrary. He was forever scoring and making things happen. And had he not been injury for a big part of the first half of this season's reserves programme perhaps the team wouldn't have looked so abyssmal with it's foreign legion and no sense of direction. It is not because of his return that there's been sucgh a marked improvement - others have returned too - but he's been an important factor as the contributions I've mentioned show. To be fair I'm pretty sure I remember reading that you thought Beswick was quite ordinary compared to the rest. Might have been during preseason last year or something.
Mark Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 To be fair I'm pretty sure I remember reading that you thought Beswick was quite ordinary compared to the rest. Might have been during preseason last year or something. http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.ph...st&p=576220 the opinion last April.
Bryn Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.ph...st&p=576220 the opinion last April. Gracias amigo.
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Apart from his goal and two assists this week he scored in the previous game against Coventry Reserves and teed up Andy King for the winner in the game before that against Stoke Reserves.I don't remember him being at all unimpressive last season when we won the Academy League title and play-off final. Quite the contrary. He was forever scoring and making things happen. And had he not been injury for a big part of the first half of this season's reserves programme perhaps the team wouldn't have looked so abyssmal with it's foreign legion and no sense of direction. It is not because of his return that there's been sucgh a marked improvement - others have returned too - but he's been an important factor as the contributions I've mentioned show. Doubtless he'll be another who'll end up on loan but, with what he's got to learn, I'd much rather it was Laczko having the loan spell, except that he's already on loan! Pity about Beswick ifthat's true. He's just not strong or forceful enough in all probability and lacks the raw pace to make up for it as a winger. Nor is he a great dribbler.His real strength is getting early and accurate passes into the box, which he's always looked good at and which have certainly been effective. But, while he's rarely had anything but a decent game, I've neverseen him as first team material. Alright, some people might change for the better.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.ph...st&p=576220 the opinion last April. I forgot about the acronyms feature.
Flynny Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 The situation is the same as with some of the others coming in and nothing really to do with what they may or may not finish up..Beswick is better than the guy in situ as a left-sided attacker and defender. Simple as. Indeed counting last night's game I think that's seven matches the Hungarian's gone without making or scoring a goal. If you check Beswick's last seven games I doubt there was one where he didn't score or create something. If that doesn't make Beswick good enough, that's two wingers we've currently got who are not yet good enough - and three if you count Mattock simply as a winger. Shush! or Beswick on the left wing? No contest. I've never thought of Shush! as a left winger. Beswick or Hayes? Beswick any time. Beswick is even the closest we've got to Shush! from free-kicks. He doesn't have the same power from anything I've seen - who does at Leicester? But he flights the ball well, hits it with pace and is accurate and thoughtful. That doesn't mean I think he's the finished article any more than King, Wesolowski, Mattock or Gradel. It means no more than I've explained. And as a combined attacker/defender I'd even rate Beswick better than Gradel cos Gradel is really an attacker pure and simple, unless he's changed radically since he's been at Bournemouth. Gradel's strength though is his pace, his trickery and his ability to spot a scoring chance and take it from all sorts of positions. Beswick is much more understated. Two touches is a lot for the guy. Mattock's looked good when he's played left-wing, can't we try that again before we throw another young-un in at the deep end?
The Reverend Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Pity about Beswick ifthat's true. He's just not strong or forceful enough in all probability and lacks the raw pace to make up for it as a winger. Nor is he a great dribbler.His real strength is getting early and accurate passes into the box, which he's always looked good at and which have certainly been effective. But, while he's rarely had anything but a decent game, I've neverseen him as first team material. I hope he's improved a lot then Thracian.
Thracian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Gracias amigo. I don't think anyone rated him as first team material last season - he was good, as was mentioned but not really strong enough. He looks bigger and stronger now, which is what you'd expect and is making his mark even more often though he was always fairly consistent. A big step forward was when Martin Allen used him in some first team friendlies pre-season. Mattock's looked good when he's played left-wing, can't we try that again before we throw another young-un in at the deep end? Do what you like Flynny. But Mattock's never scored or made a goal yet that I can recall either this season or last. He's a left-back. And Mattock is probably younger than Beswick anyway, though I'd have to check. Alright, some people change for the better. Thanks for that. I might have added to the end of that April comment "because he's too lightweight" but otherwise the remarks only confirm what I've mentioned and the lad is now nearly a year older, bigger and stronger. I wouldn't call him especially lightweight at all today.
Flynny Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Do what you like Flynny. But Mattock's never scored or made a goal yet that I can recall either this season or last. He's a left-back. And Mattock is probably younger than Beswick anyway, though I'd have to check. He's not played very much in that position. But when he's got forward from left-back, his crossing has been good (much better than at the start of the season, actually) as has his positioning, even though he tended to be ignored a bit when he was in space. Thats all we want, someone to bomb up and down the flank and stick some balls in the box, I'm sure the lads up to it, but most importantly I can actually see it happening. Would you prefer Mattock to our other options? A big step forward was when Martin Allen used him in some first team friendlies pre-season. Realistically that was probably more due to our dearth of left-sided players than anything else. I don't half miss Porter, actually, even though he got a bit mediocre at the tail-end of last season.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Thracian... please please please, do the lad a favour and don't keep mentioning his name. It didn't go down well with people regarding Shush!, and only served to turn people against him. Don't ruin the kid, because so far you are becoming nothing short of a career wrecker for these young lads.
Thracian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 To be fair I'm pretty sure I remember reading that you thought Beswick was quite ordinary compared to the rest. Might have been during preseason last year or something. Don't recall it. It's posible he had an ordinary game or something but from memory I'd say 95% of what I've written about Beswick would have been complimentary. I may have said that he was understated though. He's bigger now but in the past he's sometimes barely been noticed yet still cropped up with a vital goal or assist. What I was getting at is that he's not one to get noticed unnecessarily by having altercations with the refs, getting sent off or booked, waving his arms about in protest or whatever. He just gets on with his job, quietly and effectively. I don't pretend to know how he'd be in the first team but at the levels I've seen him, he's a player you'd rely on and he'd also have been one of the first names on my teamsheet even when the Academy/Reserves teams were at their best.
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I don't think anyone rated him as first team material last season - he was good, as was mentioned but not really strong enough.He looks bigger and stronger now, which is what you'd expect and is making his mark even more often though he was always fairly consistent. A big step forward was when Martin Allen used him in some first team friendlies pre-season. Do what you like Flynny. But Mattock's never scored or made a goal yet that I can recall either this season or last. He's a left-back. And Mattock is probably younger than Beswick anyway, though I'd have to check. Thanks for that. I might have added to the end of that April comment "because he's too lightweight" but otherwise the remarks only confirm what I've mentioned and the lad is now nearly a year older, bigger and stronger. I wouldn't call him especially lightweight at all today. Well, you give yourself a tap on the shoulders for making a youngster better than he is. It's a good sign when a footballer is evolving. But you change judgements very quickly - yesterday it was King, today Beswick is the One, tomorrow it'll be someone completely different - you just throw in whatever name fits your pattern, depending on where the first-teamers show weaknesses. That's reaction, not action. And it'd be as wise of you to admit that you over-emphasize the importance and weight of our academy. Try the Isaac Newton way of thinking and grab the evil by its root, not the fruits.
MC Prussian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Who are we playing again? A bunch of carrots currently on a 13-game unbeaten run. Scary.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Who are we playing again? Dunno but we're gonna win
Thracian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Thracian... please please please, do the lad a favour and don't keep mentioning his name. It didn't go down well with people regarding Shush!, and only served to turn people against him. Don't ruin the kid, because so far you are becoming nothing short of a career wrecker for these young lads. Just because you and others might want Leicester City to disappear into a trough of hopelessness for the lack of goals and credibility and just because you might be satisfied with Dad's Army and the foreign legion, don't expect me to feel like that. I've mentioned Beswick because we need some goals and we don't look likely to get them from Laczko. If you'd seen the two playing for the reserves this week, which I'm sure you didn't you would perhaps understand what I mean. We don't have months and months for Laczko to learn his trade as a winger. Gradel is not an option and Mattock hasn't scored/made a goal yet despite his nomination. I don't know what you'd like to see but a repeat of our approach the last five matches doesn't appeal to me. So many on here are averse to change unless it comes with a big transfer fee or a flattering but utterly deceptive pedigree that only looks ridiculous when the player emerges. You don't mind clamouring for Kaebi or Nielsen or Laczko to be in the team - wonderful! But half the time you don't appreciate what's on your own doorstep much less offer encouragement. You all seem to accept anything the manager offers so long as they've got miles on the clock. You indulge these veterans to the nth degree believing they'll come good next week, the week after, Clemence being a prime example. All the time our already pathetic goals for column gets worse and worse and you grumble at me for at least trying to suggest something that might just improve matters. Some of you are like our club. You don't face reality. Even when our record reads 15 goals from 19 games you pretend it'll be alright tomorrow. Keep the Faith. Well it won't. There are reasons for our record and those causes have to be corrected. Come up with your own ideas by all means.
Leicester Lass Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Just because you and others might want Leicester City to disappear into a trough of hopelessness for the lack of goals and credibility and just because you might be satisfied with Dad's Army and the foreign legion, don't expect me to feel like that.I've mentioned Beswick because we need some goals and we don't look lijkely to get them from Laczko. If you'd seen the two playing for the reserves this week, which I'm sure you didn't you would perhaps understand what I mean. We don't have months and months for Laczko to learn his trade as a winger. Gradel is not an option and Mattock hasn't scored/made a goal yet despite his nomination. I don't know what you'd like to see but a repeat of our approach the last five matches doesn't appeal to me. Same can be said for Beswick, no?
Babylon Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Just because you and others might want Leicester City to disappear into a trough of hopelessness for the lack of goals and credibility and just because you might be satisfied with Dad's Army and the foreign legion, don't expect me to feel like that. Yeah you're right, that's what a want... would be a right laugh. I don't know what you'd like to see but a repeat of our approach the last five matches doesn't appeal to me. I've already been over it several times... i'm not one to repeat myself Career Killer!!!!* ps. *it was meant tongue in cheek.
Babylon Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Same can be said for Beswick, no? Don't be ridiculous, the youth team and the reserves is up there with Seria A in standard. Of course he is ready to be thrown in.
Thracian Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Same can be said for Beswick, no? I cannot see anything Beswick doesn't understand about a winger's role.
Houdini Logic Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Get the youth playing - even if they are 'not ready'. I'd rather watch a team of kids who are giving it 110% than watch the half arsed effort certain members of the current team are putting in
Father Ted Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Why not give him a chance! He cant be any worse than anyone else is at the moment! I'd much rather give Weso a go!
Raj Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Get the youth playing - even if they are 'not ready'. I'd rather watch a team of kids who are giving it 110% than watch the half arsed effort certain members of the current team are putting in Yes and as City fans,when they make make a mistake,we will take their tender youth and inexperience into account and NOT Boo tem eh??? Like fook we wont! NO matter how young the lad maybe,if he fcuks something up,we'll be onto him tutting and Booing and that will be the end of his career at City.
Houdini Logic Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 Yes and as City fans,when they make make a mistake,we will take their tender youth and inexperience into account and NOT Boo tem eh???Like fook we wont! NO matter how young the lad maybe,if he fcuks something up,we'll be onto him tutting and Booing and that will be the end of his career at City. Speak for yourself.
Dames Posted 15 February 2008 Posted 15 February 2008 I see he's found someone else to champion? Beswick isn't good enough. Nifty at U18 and reserve level thats about it.
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