Norwich

[Manwell Pablo]

So expecting to win at home has now become illusions of granduer or did I misread that!

It probably matters little that the Canaries have won four of their last five matches on the road

Yes Babs, it is, horrifcly, accurate.

[Babylon]

brilliant, wheres that from.

http://www.fillyourboots.co.uk/club-news-detail.asp?id=972

So expecting to win at home has now become illusions of granduer or did I misread that!

I think the point he's making is many of our fans (not all), don't seem take into account the fact we are playing either a top of the table team or the form team in the division (Norwich).

[Fez of Mahrez]

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £1.5million and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

[Ric Flair]

http://www.fillyourboots.co.uk/club-news-detail.asp?id=972

I think the point he's making is many of our fans (not all), don't seem take into account the fact we are playing either a top of the table team or the form team in the division (Norwich).

But when you've just lost 3 on the spin, 2 of those being against teams i'd expect us to get something from, sympathy and rationalisation goes out of the window.

If we don't win tomorrow, the pressure with be unbareable, likely to be bottom 3, ala Kelly after the Stoke defeat last season.

[James.]

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £1.5million and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

Indeed.

[Babylon]

But when you've just lost 3 on the spin, 2 of those being against teams i'd expect us to get something from, sympathy and rationalisation goes out of the window.

If we don't win tomorrow, the pressure with be unbareable, likely to be bottom 3, ala Kelly after the Stoke defeat last season.

Fez/Ric... chill, it's meant to be a bit light hearted.

[RowlattsFox]

But when you've just lost 3 on the spin, 2 of those being against teams i'd expect us to get something from, sympathy and rationalisation goes out of the window.

If we don't win tomorrow, the pressure with be unbareable, likely to be bottom 3, ala Kelly after the Stoke defeat last season.

We won't be in bottom 3 after tomorrow, only Colchester play and they can only go level on points with us, but the teams below us will have the games in hand.

Obviously a victory would be brilliant but Norwich are a in form and won at Cardiff last week. If we play well and only draw then i would be able to live with that and if Norwich do win, I want them to have had to play well to win. Nearly all games we've lost at home this season the opposition havent needed to play extremely well.

[Manwell Pablo]

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £1.5million and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

It aint Steve Howards fault we payed three times too much for him.

[Fez of Mahrez]

It aint Steve Howards fault we payed three times too much for him.

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £500,000 and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

[clazkel]

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £1.5million and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

You are totally right, it was incredibly frustrating. What frustrated me the most was that no-one had the confidence to run with the ball, every player got the ball and just passed it, and no-one got to the by line to put in a good cross. Campbell and Howard didn't create alot, but they didn't get great service either

[Thracian]

brilliant, wheres that from.

Well it's four wins from 19 by my counting, including the cup game with Southampton, and whether Watford were top off the League or Norwich on a wonderful run matters not one iota anymore. We have to beat Norwich.

It has always been within our capabilies, any number of results over the months confirm that, but we cannot afford to have passengers and we cannot afford not to score.

I'm no different from many in thinking there's a case for and against using various players although I really don't care what sort of a repuation someone comes with or what their wages are. I'm only interested in their form level.

However while some players are hard to choose between on merit there is one argument about which I've no doubt at all. And that is that Ryan Beswick is the best left winger currently at the club.

He played in the same reserve side as Laczko this week and had far more effect from left back than the Hungarian did from left wing. Making two and scoring one would be something special for any full-back except Beswick is always making goals or scoring them.

He rarely seems to hve a bad game and that's partly because there's so little to go wrong. He nearly always seems to know exactly what he's going to do with the ball when it comes and he does it straight away.

Laczko looks willing to try and learn but he still looked relatively lightweight against Wolves Reserves and on a day when there were any number of good performers...particularly Weso, King and Fryatt.

And, unlike the first team, Laczko got plenty of service but just did little of note with it.

I'm not for one moment suggesting he's a Djiziri or Kaebi. But he's got a lot to learn before he'll be a serious threat in English football. And most of those things, Beswick has learned already and, as a bonus, he's a far more natural defender, having been used on occasions as a winger and a full-back.

It's no use people asking what if this goes wrong or that goes wrong. We have to do all we can to make and score goals. Because without goals we're going down.

Therefore you have to pick teams which give you the best chance to do that.

We won't keep clean sheets every week. The record shows we concede one, just like against Watford and Plymouth.

Our task is plainly obvious and if we keep ignoring the truth of it we're deluding ourselves.

Because we have no insurance. We've built in no margin for error. Trying to run down games like against Charlton or failing to follow up our advantage as against Wolves away has cost us vital points, the points which might have made a draw tomorrow of some value.

We have to win now. There are not going to be any easy games so let's stop pretending there are.

[Staf]

Im going for a 1-1 draw tomorrow they are in form but are beatable i just hope it is more entertaining than Plymouth

[Manwell Pablo]

There was something incredibly frustrating about the Watford game that only being there could have translated. They defended and closed down well but we continually picked wrong options and put crosses out of play and passed the ball straight to the opposition. It doesn't really matter who you're playing if you cost £500,000 and you can't pass - that's going to wind any fan up.

I'll re-phrase that.

It aint Steve Howards fault he's really not that good but was made out to be a saviour because of one good season with Derby County.

[davieG]

http://www.fillyourboots.co.uk/club-news-detail.asp?id=972

I think the point he's making is many of our fans (not all), don't seem take into account the fact we are playing either a top of the table team or the form team in the division (Norwich).

I appreciate that but if we approach games with that at the forefront of our mind it's no wonder we can't perform or win. All successful runs come to an end eventually, I'd guess that it will be sooner rather than later if teams adopt a more positive approach.

In the case of Norwich didn't one of there fans say they'd been extremely lucky, the scores only tell half the story.

[Manwell Pablo]

Well it's four wins from 19 by my counting, including the cup game with Southampton, and whether Watford were top off the League or Norwich on a wonderful run matters not one iota anymore. We have to beat Norwich.

It has always been within our capabilies, any number of results over the months confirm that, but we cannot afford to have passengers and we cannot afford not to score.

I'm no different from many in thinking there's a case for and against using various players although I really don't care what sort of a repuation someone comes with or what their wages are. I'm only interested in their form level.

However while some players are hard to choose between on merit there is one argument about which I've no doubt at all. And that is that Ryan Beswick is the best left winger currently at the club.

He played in the same reserve side as Laczko this week and had far more effect from left back than the Hungarian did from left wing. Making two and scoring one would be something special for any full-back except Beswick is always making goals or scoring them.

He rarely seems to hve a bad game and that's partly because there's so little to go wrong. He nearly always seems to know exactly what he's going to do with the ball when it comes and he does it straight away.

Laczko looks willing to try and learn but he still looked relatively lightweight against Wolves Reserves and on a day when there were any number of good performers...particularly Weso, King and Fryatt.

And, unlike the first team, Laczko got plenty of service but just did little of note with it.

I'm not for one moment suggesting he's a Djiziri or Kaebi. But he's got a lot to learn before he'll be a serious threat in English football. And most of those things, Beswick has learned already and, as a bonus, he's a far more natural defender, having been used on occasions as a winger and a full-back.

It's no use people asking what if this goes wrong or that goes wrong. We have to do all we can to make and score goals. Because without goals we're going down.

Therefore you have to pick teams which give you the best chance to do that.

We won't keep clean sheets every week. The record shows we concede one, just like against Watford and Plymouth.

Our task is plainly obvious and if we keep ignoring the truth of it we're deluding ourselves.

Because we have no insurance. We've built in no margin for error. Trying to run down games like against Charlton or failing to follow up our advantage as against Wolves away has cost us vital points, the points which might have made a draw tomorrow of some value.

We have to win now. There are not going to be any easy games so let's stop pretending there are.

This one the next big thing is it

Not seen this one play so I won't argue. Let's hope he doesn't end up in League One/Two like the rest of them bar Stearman!

[Fez of Mahrez]

Shush! IS DEAD. LONG LIVE BESWICK.

F**ks sake.

And so it begins.

[Koke]

I'll go along to the next reserve game and see how good this kid is and I shall come back with an unbiased report.

[Thracian]

This one the next big thing is it

Not seen this one play so I won't argue. Let's hope he doesn't end up in League One/Two like the rest of them bar Stearman!

The situation is the same as with some of the others coming in and nothing really to do with what they may or may not finish up..

Beswick is better than the guy in situ as a left-sided attacker and defender. Simple as. Indeed counting last night's game I think that's seven matches the Hungarian's gone without making or scoring a goal. If you check Beswick's last seven games I doubt there was one where he didn't score or create something.

If that doesn't make Beswick good enough, that's two wingers we've currently got who are not yet good enough - and three if you count Mattock simply as a winger.

Shush! or Beswick on the left wing? No contest. I've never thought of Shush! as a left winger. Beswick or Hayes? Beswick any time.

Beswick is even the closest we've got to Shush! from free-kicks. He doesn't have the same power from anything I've seen - who does at Leicester? But he flights the ball well, hits it with pace and is accurate and thoughtful.

That doesn't mean I think he's the finished article any more than King, Wesolowski, Mattock or Gradel. It means no more than I've explained.

And as a combined attacker/defender I'd even rate Beswick better than Gradel cos Gradel is really an attacker pure and simple, unless he's changed radically since he's been at Bournemouth. Gradel's strength though is his pace, his trickery and his ability to spot a scoring chance and take it from all sorts of positions.

Beswick is much more understated. Two touches is a lot for the guy.

[Thracian]

I'll go along to the next reserve game and see how good this kid is and I shall come back with an unbiased report.

Pity you didn't go this week.

With the team scoring four goals and having all sorts of other chances it would have seemed such a contrast to the first team.

But don't expect Beswick to be some sort of George Best. He's probably the most uncomplicated player I've ever seen for the effect he has.

He's a team-mates dream really because he always sees a runner and gives the pass.

[davieG]

Pity you didn't go this week.

With the team scoring four goals and having all sorts of other chances it would have seemed such a contrast to the first team.

But don't expect Beswick to be some sort of George Best. He's probably the most uncomplicated player I've ever seen for the effect he has.

He's a team-mates dream really because he always sees a runner and gives the pass.

That makes him a non-starter as far as I can see as we don't have any runners - statues, yes by the dozen.

We need a master at draughts not a football manager

[Thracian]

Shush! IS DEAD. LONG LIVE BESWICK.

F**ks sake.

And so it begins.

You stick to Laczko and the old timers by all means. I certainly won't discourage you.

Besides it's hypothesis.

Holloway isn't going to play Beswick.

And I very much doubt we'll take the field tomorrow with more that four potential scorers.

You can never categorically say that won't be enough.

But it wouldn't fill me with confidence and my reasons for lacking confidence have already been plainly confirmed by our "goal famine" results against Blackpool, Plymouth and Watford, none of which were much better than the preceding Norwich and Palace matches.

[DB11]

1-0. Hume. Family Stand end.

[Fez of Mahrez]

You stick to Laczko by all means. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage you.

Besides it's hypothesis.

Holloway isn't going to play Beswick.

And I very much doubt we'll take the field tomorrow with more that four potential scorers.

You can never categorically say that won't be enough.

But it wouldn't fill me with confidence and my reasons for lacking confidence have already been plainly confirmed by our "goal famine" results against Blackpool, Plymouth and Watford, none of which were much better than the preceding Norwich and Palace matches.

I just think it's depressing that it's come to this. Ryan Beswick in every thread. I can cope with Gradel but Beswick was the least impressive of that Academy front five last year.

[Bryn]

I think for his own sake Thracian, you're probably best off just leaving the Beswick talk at what we've already heard, beyond updating us on things he does for the reserves.

[Thracian]

I just think it's depressing that it's come to this. Ryan Beswick in every thread. I can cope with Gradel but Beswick was the least impressive of that Academy front five last year.

Apart from his goal and two assists this week he scored in the previous game against Coventry Reserves and teed up Andy King for the winner in the game before that against Stoke Reserves.

I don't remember him being at all unimpressive last season when we won the Academy League title and play-off final. Quite the contrary. He was forever scoring and making things happen.

And had he not been injury for a big part of the first half of this season's reserves programme perhaps the team wouldn't have looked so abyssmal with it's foreign legion and no sense of direction.

It is not because of his return that there's been sucgh a marked improvement - others have returned too - but he's been an important factor as the contributions I've mentioned show.

Doubtless he'll be another who'll end up on loan but, with what he's got to learn, I'd much rather it was Laczko having the loan spell, except that he's already on loan!