Monk Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Seems from the career change thread that quite a few of us are already involved in or thinking of doing Project Management or Consulting. Thought this thread would be a good idea to share knowledge and ideas as I know from experience how confusing it all is. I have bought the books for Prince 2, they're pretty dear. The exams cost about £600 if you go alone or well over a grand if you do a course. Has anyone sat the Prince 2 exams - did you teach yourself or do a course? How tough are they? Anyone got any other project management qualifications? My motivation comes from 2 good friends I have in banking who are both pretty ordinary folk but somehow manage to earn £150,000 a year. It's crazy stuff but when you look at the recruitment market in London there are a lot of these jobs about. They are only 30 and 31 respectively. Not bad going! So... that's what I'm aiming for in the short term, then Environmental Project Management in about 5 years.
Monk Posted 28 March 2008 Author Posted 28 March 2008 No I'm doing it to bridge my career out of Banking and into Environmental Management, but also to fund some travelling in between. It was either that or a Masters at Kings.
Monk Posted 28 March 2008 Author Posted 28 March 2008 Ha. No I'm just trying to get info on it from people who have done it. Quite suprised at how many people on the Career change thread said they're in PM.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 I've descided I no longer care about work. Qualifcations, databses, figures, new jobs, they can all bollocks. and football. That can ****ing do one as well. I've descided al I care about is Pizza, and Team Forterss 2. And thats all I'm going to do, all weekend. Beside get my haircut (very very long) And get pissed at some stage.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 I've descided I no longer care about work. Qualifcations, databses, figures, new jobs, they can all bollocks.and football. That can ****ing do one as well. I've descided al I care about is Pizza, and Team Forterss 2. And thats all I'm going to do, all weekend. Beside get my haircut (very very long) And get pissed at some stage. And sign some players.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 And sign some players. The windows closed. Although even that appears to not be stopping us anymore.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 The windows closed.Although even that appears to not be stopping us anymore. That Burton Albion reserves player must be shit, they haven't even given him a trial yet. I played left-back for us at S****horpe this season and you're in goal for the Stoke game by the way.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 With Fuller about I shall probabley keep a clean sheet.
Master Fox Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Can someone explain what a prince exam involves?
The People's Hero Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Can someone explain what a prince exam involves? You have to see how quickly you can become a musical genius, change your name to a symbol, become a complete cu nt, make some of the worst music this side of Atomic Kitten and then refuse to fade in to music folklore by periodically releasing another load of pretentious gash. All in 2 1/2 hours. Extra marks award for writing style and handwriting.
Master Fox Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 You have to see how quickly you can become a musical genius, change your name to a symbol, become a complete cu nt, make some of the worst music this side of Atomic Kitten and then refuse to fade in to music folklore by periodically releasing another load of pretentious gash.All in 2 1/2 hours. Extra marks award for writing style and handwriting. Nice. But i quite liked some of Prince's music.
The People's Hero Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Nice.But i quite liked some of Prince's music. So did I, when he was good. Genius.
Steven Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Seems from the career change thread that quite a few of us are already involved in or thinking of doing Project Management or Consulting. Thought this thread would be a good idea to share knowledge and ideas as I know from experience how confusing it all is.I have bought the books for Prince 2, they're pretty dear. The exams cost about £600 if you go alone or well over a grand if you do a course. Has anyone sat the Prince 2 exams - did you teach yourself or do a course? How tough are they? Anyone got any other project management qualifications? My motivation comes from 2 good friends I have in banking who are both pretty ordinary folk but somehow manage to earn £150,000 a year. It's crazy stuff but when you look at the recruitment market in London there are a lot of these jobs about. They are only 30 and 31 respectively. Not bad going! So... that's what I'm aiming for in the short term, then Environmental Project Management in about 5 years. This is on my radar and I will be following your progress.
kevinwpratt Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Seems from the career change thread that quite a few of us are already involved in or thinking of doing Project Management or Consulting. Thought this thread would be a good idea to share knowledge and ideas as I know from experience how confusing it all is.I have bought the books for Prince 2, they're pretty dear. The exams cost about £600 if you go alone or well over a grand if you do a course. Has anyone sat the Prince 2 exams - did you teach yourself or do a course? How tough are they? Anyone got any other project management qualifications? My motivation comes from 2 good friends I have in banking who are both pretty ordinary folk but somehow manage to earn £150,000 a year. It's crazy stuff but when you look at the recruitment market in London there are a lot of these jobs about. They are only 30 and 31 respectively. Not bad going! So... that's what I'm aiming for in the short term, then Environmental Project Management in about 5 years. I sat the PRINCE2 exam (and passed) - i opted to do the five day course costing approx £1800 + VAT, if you do it this way make sure you have no plans for the whole week..... We were in the classroom from 9 - 5 and then were expected to do a further 2 - 3 hours study in the evening. The exams are multiple choice foundation is 1hr needing 50% pass rate to sit the Practitioner exam this is three hours and you need 50% pass rate again It is one of the most recognised qualifications for project management but you wont earn £150k for a long time, the big money around project management comes from experience but you could walk in on a trainee role for £25k, get some experience and you will soon get to £30k - £40k. The big money tends to be around the construction industry with experience in this area, with this you can command £100k + Hope this helps Forgot to say PM me if you have any questions, i still have the books and i am currently using the PRINCE2 principles at work......
hebangsthedrums Posted 9 April 2008 Posted 9 April 2008 Spoke to the HR department at my work earlier this week to ask about this. I am on a programme that has some PM modules -I asked if they were P2based -she has been in touch with the training company and say there is some common ground (I'd have thought that was fairly obvious). I asked about me doing the stuff in my own time and they said they would not help with costs at the moment as it does not apply to my job role, but maybe in the future if I move positions. My question to those who have done/are doing it then, is how many of you are in an environment where you actually use the skills at the mo? If not how easy did you find learning something without being able to practically apply it?
Daggers Posted 9 April 2008 Posted 9 April 2008 Mrs DB is doing Princely stuff this shortly. She talks to me about it, I smile and nod before feigning a knee injury and retiring back to the safety of my chair. She seems very happy that I have heard about it all thanks to FoxesTalk. In fact, whatever it is has had a direct effect on allowing me to go to Barnsley. Huzzah for the whatever it is course.
purpleronnie Posted 9 April 2008 Posted 9 April 2008 I'm a project manager, I left school with only 5 gcse's and an a level in economics. Worked (blagged) my way up. Now I get to travel the world...well mainly the USA now.
Monk Posted 10 April 2008 Author Posted 10 April 2008 Spoke to the HR department at my work earlier this week to ask about this. I am on a programme that has some PM modules -I asked if they were P2based -she has been in touch with the training company and say there is some common ground (I'd have thought that was fairly obvious). I asked about me doing the stuff in my own time and they said they would not help with costs at the moment as it does not apply to my job role, but maybe in the future if I move positions. My question to those who have done/are doing it then, is how many of you are in an environment where you actually use the skills at the mo? If not how easy did you find learning something without being able to practically apply it? I'm studying it in my spare time as work won't pay for it. Prince 2 is a BIG book. I've tested myself on the exam multiple choice questions when on chapter 2 and I got a reasonable mark. A lot of the material is common sense. Finding the motivation to keep picking it up is tough though. As a quick win I'd probably say a course is worth the money if you have it. Obviously the books are a far cheaper option. The pass % is 50 on both papers so I'm sure you can blag a lot of it if you know the core material. Applying it is pretty easy, I do so already to an extent managing a task list and scheduling out IT development to developers.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 April 2008 Posted 10 April 2008 Spoke to the HR department at my work earlier this week to ask about this. I am on a programme that has some PM modules -I asked if they were P2based -she has been in touch with the training company and say there is some common ground (I'd have thought that was fairly obvious). I asked about me doing the stuff in my own time and they said they would not help with costs at the moment as it does not apply to my job role, but maybe in the future if I move positions. My question to those who have done/are doing it then, is how many of you are in an environment where you actually use the skills at the mo? If not how easy did you find learning something without being able to practically apply it? I've done Prince 2, never used it!!! To all who are thinking about doing it, yes it is common sense but the examiner is looking for use of the prince2 terminology!! In the written exam, you get a mark just for writing a prince2 term!!! Prince2 is a good and cheap way of getting into a reasonably paid job, some sectors pay alot more then others, really good PM's earn alot of money!! Unfortunately in the industry i work in, it doesn't pay much more to be a PM!!!
Monk Posted 10 April 2008 Author Posted 10 April 2008 I sat the PRINCE2 exam (and passed) - i opted to do the five day course costing approx £1800 + VAT, if you do it this way make sure you have no plans for the whole week.....We were in the classroom from 9 - 5 and then were expected to do a further 2 - 3 hours study in the evening. The exams are multiple choice foundation is 1hr needing 50% pass rate to sit the Practitioner exam this is three hours and you need 50% pass rate again It is one of the most recognised qualifications for project management but you wont earn £150k for a long time, the big money around project management comes from experience but you could walk in on a trainee role for £25k, get some experience and you will soon get to £30k - £40k. The big money tends to be around the construction industry with experience in this area, with this you can command £100k + Hope this helps Forgot to say PM me if you have any questions, i still have the books and i am currently using the PRINCE2 principles at work...... Interesting. What training organisation did you use? Would you recommend it? I agree the salaries for PM's vary hugely by industry. In Financial services it's pretty good. I know at least 3 people on >£600 a day under 30 yrs old. 2 of them don't even have a Project Management qualification.
kevinwpratt Posted 10 April 2008 Posted 10 April 2008 Interesting. What training organisation did you use? Would you recommend it?I agree the salaries for PM's vary hugely by industry. In Financial services it's pretty good. I know at least 3 people on >£600 a day under 30 yrs old. 2 of them don't even have a Project Management qualification. I booked it through the WEB but the training company were called Parity Training based in Moorgate, London.... The trainer was really good and made sure that we focused on the core principles of PRINCE2. A lot of the money comes with experience but there are a lucky few that manage to get well paid jobs without the qualification or experience...
Tommy G Posted 10 April 2008 Posted 10 April 2008 Interesting. What training organisation did you use? Would you recommend it?I agree the salaries for PM's vary hugely by industry. In Financial services it's pretty good. I know at least 3 people on >£600 a day under 30 yrs old. 2 of them don't even have a Project Management qualification. Don't you live in London? That may explain the big wage. I'd say Investment banking is the way forward if you want to be mega rich
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