Daggers Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 The thing is, I think a lot of people would be of the opinion "get rid only if we go down" and those results may well be down to the confidence of those people in our ability to stay up. I think half of them are still trying to work out if we have an outside chance of the play-offs they predicted at the beginning of the season.
Corky Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 I am not comparing them as i know there is no comparison but i thought it was unfair the way MON was treated at first at Leicester. Ollie has had great support from the fans seeing as the results we have been getting, maybe support that he hasn't deserved! I think O'Neill deserved more support when he first arrived. Holloway has had great support from our fans, more than, as you say, he's probably deserved. What made O'Neill's achievements even better was the fact he had to turn around the fans. I really want to back Holloway, and I like the bloke, but I don't think he is the right man for our club. If he does well then I will back down and admit I was wrong, I want to be proved wrong, but I can't see a massive improvement next season if we stay up.
Kilworthfox Posted 30 April 2008 Author Posted 30 April 2008 I think O'Neill deserved more support when he first arrived. Holloway has had great support from our fans, more than, as you say, he's probably deserved. What made O'Neill's achievements even better was the fact he had to turn around the fans.I really want to back Holloway, and I like the bloke, but I don't think he is the right man for our club. If he does well then I will back down and admit I was wrong, I want to be proved wrong, but I can't see a massive improvement next season if we stay up. Every fan would be turned around with good results, fans are no different all over the globe.
Corky Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Every fan would be turned around with good results, fans are no different all over the globe. I don't think Avram Grant would agree, although that may change now.
Webbo Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 I agree with him in C++, Java and LISP mapcar(agree '(Disco, Webbo)) I believe? I hate LISP, bloody degree-score-buggering thing that it is If we're being technical and doing in jokes can we talk about emulsion or paper hanging or something I understand?
Kilworthfox Posted 30 April 2008 Author Posted 30 April 2008 I don't think Avram Grant would agree, although that may change now. Chelski don't have fans they have glory hunters, idiots, imbeciles, ficlke man u fans who live nearer to london and only have to travel 2 rather than 400 miles to see a team win 3 points. Anyway back on to the point Grant has done ok, but has won nothing yet!
Legend_in_blue Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Every fan would be turned around with good results, fans are no different all over the globe. I is back. It's as it was last night Kilworth. We are the few up against the many and we are being drowned out. We are what remains of the Holloway fan club and for one reason or another or another ten or so it's dwindling fast. Personally, I feel the playing staff is far more accountable for the current predicament than IH, but that is me. That is my opinion. Agree with it if you want. If not, so be it. I will leave you with one last question. Who do you feel more let down by - the players or the manager? You know my answer!
Daggers Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 If we're being technical and doing in jokes can we talk about emulsion or paper hanging or something I understand? I'd rather we gloss over the jokes until we've secured our status.
Kilworthfox Posted 30 April 2008 Author Posted 30 April 2008 I is back. It's as it was last night Kilworth. We are the few up against the many and we are being drowned out.We are what remains of the Holloway fan club and for one reason or another or another ten or so it's dwindling fast. Personally, I feel the playing staff is far more accountable for the current predicament than IH, but that is me. That is my opinion. Agree with it if you want. If not, so be it. I will leave you with one last question. Who do you feel more let down by - the players or the manager? You know my answer! Players! Another question... Which player or players have not let you down this season? (remember it is season people not just the last few games you remember!) Hume Fulop (for the time he was here 20 odd matches) Kisnorbo Wesolowski for the few matches he has played Tha is about it IMO!
Raj Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Players! Another question... Which player or players have not let you down this season? (remember it is season people not just the last few games you remember!) Hume Fulop (for the time he was here 20 odd matches) Kisnorbo Wesolowski for the few matches he has played Tha is about it IMO! You forgot Stearman!!!
Corky Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Players! Another question... Which player or players have not let you down this season? (remember it is season people not just the last few games you remember!) Hume Fulop (for the time he was here 20 odd matches) Kisnorbo Wesolowski for the few matches he has played Tha is about it IMO! Where's Stearman? He shows passion, even at the end of the match
Scow Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 I've said before I'd keep Holloway whatever happens - that's not saying he's hasn't got things wrong though. Many people seem to forget that this guy came in nearly halfway through the season. No pre-season and stuck with a squad woefully constructed by Allen and Mandaric. On top of that, Megson's ultra defensive mentality didn't help either. He's then had to assess the squad and make decisions on players, while all the time trying to grind out results with players who are unsure of their futures. Holloway then had the opportunity to take advantage of the January transfer window - it's difficult to change much halfway through the season when players are not readily available compared to the summer. There are certain things that I've not been pleased with though. There's been no real consistency in his selections, and for all his talk of balance, we've witnessed little evidence of this. He's often opted for Hayles/Fryatt and Howard upfront, whether in a 2 or 3 forward line. Slow forwards, allowing opponents to easily push and squeeze the play. And for all Holloway's protestations about us not doing things right in games - well, if they're not doing as they're told, are they listening to him? How much respect does he have from the players? I feel that Holloway has fallen short, but the position we're in isn't all down to him - we've been shit for four years and it's finally catching up with us. I just want some stability for once, and I know a few posters have dismissed that notion, but I feel if we do stay up, Holloway will have the time and resources over the summer to sort things out and hopefully put us on the way to better things. Maybe managing a club of our stature has got to him? Maybe he's bit off more than he can chew? Who knows, but we need to give him a proper chance otherwise we'll be starting from scratch again.
The People's Hero Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Mentioning MON and Holloway in the same breath almost amounts to sacrilege in my eyes. I see no comparison whatsoever. It is far more than just results that worries me about Holloway. This from a man who regularly compares our youth players to the best players the game has ever seen! You're a walking contradiction!
Thracian Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 This from a man who regularly compares our youth players to the best players the game has ever seen!You're a walking contradiction! Good night out was it?
The People's Hero Posted 30 April 2008 Posted 30 April 2008 Good night out was it? It always is when I go out!
clazkel Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 I is back. It's as it was last night Kilworth. We are the few up against the many and we are being drowned out.We are what remains of the Holloway fan club and for one reason or another or another ten or so it's dwindling fast. Personally, I feel the playing staff is far more accountable for the current predicament than IH, but that is me. That is my opinion. Agree with it if you want. If not, so be it. I will leave you with one last question. Who do you feel more let down by - the players or the manager? You know my answer! I feel let down by both, many players haven't shown the fight and passion that they should've but Ollie has let me down because he plays players in the wrong positions and leaves players out who i think should be playing. Ollie has let Leicester down by his poor tactics, and if he got his tactics right maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, or maybe we would!
Daggers Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 he plays players in the wrong positions and leaves players out who i think should be playing. Let's nail this one shall we: He has made the decision that, for example, Hayles was best served on the wing on Saturday until the point at which he was too tired to carry on there. He swapped him for the second best option - Hume. Hume started to flag quickly as well. Eventually he swapped them for fresh legs. Come the summer he will buy some ****ing wingers that can play, players that weren't available during the mid-season "everything crap must go" sale. Why does the bloke get such stick for us being crap - is it really all his fault or is it simply down to unreasonably supporter expectations?
Eastern Fox Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 Why does the bloke get such stick for us being crap - is it really all his fault or is it simply down to unreasonably supporter expectations? Because of results? Statistically, Holloway is one of our worst managers ever. The fans aren't being unreasonable that we shouldn't be struggling to beat the worst teams in the league at home. I don't think our squad is so lacking in talent that it was inevitable we would be desparately fighting relegation this season. His post match excuses get less and less convincing by each match.
Chimp Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 Let's nail this one shall we:He has made the decision that, for example, Hayles was best served on the wing on Saturday until the point at which he was too tired to carry on there. He swapped him for the second best option - Hume. Hume started to flag quickly as well. Eventually he swapped them for fresh legs. If Hayles was too tired to carry on playing on the wing then why would he be any more effective up front? Why not bring on DJ on the wing in a straight swap for Hayles, leaving Hume up front? Or, bring DJ on and go 4-3-3? Why does the bloke get such stick for us being crap - is it really all his fault or is it simply down to unreasonably supporter expectations? It's down to the supporters seeing his tactics and substitutions as either coming too late or being wrong given the options that were available to him.
oldbluefox Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 I don't believe it is unreasonable to expect LCFC, judging by the money spent on the team, its facilities, fanbase etc to put up a decent showing in The Championship. Compared to other teams in the division our resources must be out of this world. However something is desperately wrong and I regret at the end of the day it has to come back to the manager. He has the responsibility for signing players (which he has done), for training them and for motivating them. Tactics and team selection are all in his court. LCFC have some talented players but fail to string together any consistent performances and our attacking force not only looks, but is totally inept as our goals for statistics show. Should we not be looking at our coaching and training methods? Other teams don't seem to have too much trouble in unlocking defences so what is wrong with our forwards. We lack creative imagination. How many times have we lost due to a momentary lapse in concentration by our defence eg misplaced header, poor marking, failure to clear our lines, misunderstandings in defence. Solid systems would eliminate most of these careless errors. Add into the mix the apparent lack of determination and desire to win and it is little wonder we are in this position. This is something Holloway could and should have done something about. If he does go I wish him well but as he stands to make a few hundred thousand for having his contract terminated I can't say I will exactly be feeling sorry for him. The supporters will still be here and longing for better times after yet another poor year. Just go for it against Stoke!!!
Stevosevic Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 Holloway has taken a club that was sitting comfortably in mid-table in November, to the third tier of English football. How can he stay?
Fat Ron Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 Just go for it against Stoke!!! I was with you until this..... Then I knew you were joking
breadandcheese Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 This thread is irrelevant until Sunday night. Not wishing to piss on what is a "fascinating" discussion, but as the managerial situation is not going to change before the Stoke game, what exactly is there to talk about?
oldbluefox Posted 1 May 2008 Posted 1 May 2008 I was with you until this..... Then I knew you were joking It just goes to show how desperate I have become. We shouldn't need to be saying this. After a week on the training ground it should be taken for granted that each and every player will be motivated enough to give it their all for the full 90 minutes. Past experience shows that cannot be taken for granted and that is where my criticism lies. Holloway is ultimately responsible but so are the coaches and until we get that right we will never progress as a club.
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