Brainy Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For me, yes. Sam Vokes has been called up to the Wales u21 squad to face England. Having already represented his country at senior level, should he really be allowed to step down to the u21's? I think a few other senior Welsh players have played for the u21's recently.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 If it helps their development then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed back into the U21s.
Bryn Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 Nah to be honest I don't think the U21s is important enough to warrant this rule. To prevent senior players returning to the under-n levels almost says that the integrity of the competitions at that level are more important than what IMO is the point of youth football, to give the best young players exposure to a high level of football. Putting better players in their only serves to improve the games of the young players which is more the point than the competitions themselves, IMO.
Brainy Posted 13 October 2008 Author Posted 13 October 2008 If it helps their development then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed back into the U21s. Surely the point in u21 games is that it will help them develop into a better player and push for the senior team?
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 Surely the point in u21 games is that it will help them develop into a better player and push for the senior team? Yeah but some see first team action too soon. Aaron Lennon is a prime example. Unlikely he'll get games at senior level, let him progress a bit in the U21s and develop.
davieG Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For me, yes.Sam Vokes has been called up to the Wales u21 squad to face England. Having already represented his country at senior level, should he really be allowed to step down to the u21's? I think a few other senior Welsh players have played for the u21's recently. Wouldn't Micha Richards have been playing for us if he'd hadn't been injured, I seem to recall Stearman being called up as a replacement. Surely the U21 is a development route and just because you've played a full international doesn't mean you no longer need development opportunities. There are all manner of reasons why they may have played a full international, it may be a friendly, against weaker opposition, due to a glut of injuries affecting a particular position, as a test to see if you're ready for full international status. Would you also say that someone who has played for the 1st team at club level shouldn't play for the Academy? I can't really see the justice in the argument your putting forward.
Brainy Posted 13 October 2008 Author Posted 13 October 2008 What a stupid thread. No. You're right. Lets delete the ****ing thing.
Benjani Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 That is like saying once a player has played for the full team he isn't allowed to play at U18 level again, despite being U18. Ridiculous.
Jimmy Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For me, yes.Sam Vokes has been called up to the Wales u21 squad to face England. Having already represented his country at senior level, should he really be allowed to step down to the u21's? I think a few other senior Welsh players have played for the u21's recently. if that was the rule then the England U21's would be without Joe Hart, Micah Richards & Aaron Lennon so it works both ways
Asha Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 amen to that! Stats don't lie. 7 people agreed with Walkers, so there's obviously some debate to it. I personally think some young players are put in the first team too early, and that the U21s is meant to help such players ease in to the first team.
Finnegan Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For me, yes.Sam Vokes has been called up to the Wales u21 squad to face England. Having already represented his country at senior level, should he really be allowed to step down to the u21's? I think a few other senior Welsh players have played for the u21's recently. Oh yes, poor little England, however will they cope with 18 year old Sam Vokes of Wolves being called back into the side? It's such a true shambles, what a mockery of the sport! Blatant cynical match fixing by Wales, those bastards! I mean with such great senior talent as Craig Bellamy and... erm... Craig Bellamy, it's not like they need to be dragging these fresh teenagers into their senior side, gifting them experience and then just CHEATING their way through the U21 tournaments with them is it!? Quite right! Quite right! There should be rules in place to make sure smaller footballing nations have to play their 14 year olds in the U21s to give teams like England a chance! Fucking right on! ... and you really never wonder why people think you're a bellend?
sdb Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 no way - limit a players opportunies to develop by reducing the games he's elligable to play in?? it's like saying our first teamers can't play in the reserves to regain form/fitness - but worse
Fez of Mahrez Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 Oh yes, poor little England, however will they cope with 18 year old Sam Vokes of Wolves being called back into the side? It's such a true shambles, what a mockery of the sport! Blatant cynical match fixing by Wales, those bastards! I mean with such great senior talent as Craig Bellamy and... erm... Craig Bellamy, it's not like they need to be dragging these fresh teenagers into their senior side, gifting them experience and then just CHEATING their way through the U21 tournaments with them is it!?Quite right! Quite right! There should be rules in place to make sure smaller footballing nations have to play their 14 year olds in the U21s to give teams like England a chance! Fucking right on! ... and you really never wonder why people think you're a bellend? You've mellowed in your old age.
Finnegan Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 You've mellowed in your old age. True. There's a distinct lack of personal attacks, Robert Earnshaw and anti-British Imperialism in the aforementioned post.
Floating Fox Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 Not a ban really. Seems OTT. I agree with your point though..
Brainy Posted 13 October 2008 Author Posted 13 October 2008 Oh yes, poor little England, however will they cope with 18 year old Sam Vokes of Wolves being called back into the side? It's such a true shambles, what a mockery of the sport! Blatant cynical match fixing by Wales, those bastards! I mean with such great senior talent as Craig Bellamy and... erm... Craig Bellamy, it's not like they need to be dragging these fresh teenagers into their senior side, gifting them experience and then just CHEATING their way through the U21 tournaments with them is it!?Quite right! Quite right! There should be rules in place to make sure smaller footballing nations have to play their 14 year olds in the U21s to give teams like England a chance! Fucking right on! ... and you really never wonder why people think you're a bellend? :laugh: So you think i'm suggesting a ban because it's giving Wales a better chance of beating England tomorrow? I'm guessing you also think i'm suggesting all u21's should be banned from returning to that level if they've played at senior level, unless they're English? :laugh: Moron.
Joe. Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 No. For this reason: if the senior team has a lot of injuries and a younger players has to be called up for this reason to play, does this mean he should not be able to play for the u-21 side again? If a player's still under 21 he should be allowed in the under-21's for me. Anybody over 21 should not be allowed.
shen Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For the reasons already stated, no. However, another related issue with U21's: I don't think someone who's played for France's U21 should suddenly be able to play for Algerias senior national team etc etc. Now THAT is bollocks!
Bert Posted 13 October 2008 Posted 13 October 2008 For the reasons already stated, no. However, another related issue with U21's: I don't think someone who's played for France's U21 should suddenly be able to play for Algerias senior national team etc etc. Now THAT is bollocks! That's what i first thought this thread was going to be about. I agree with you Shen.
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