DJ Barry Hammond Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 That's probably where the bid team went wrong, currying favour to a dead ex-benefactor of Blackburn Rovers. he was never going to hold much sway. I agree with all that you've said. The one saving grace is that we can now stop pretending that we like Jack Warner and the other corrupt FIFA exec members. The fact we only got two votes, one of which was ours shows that we (I guess by we I mean the FA) have wasted a lot of money and time wooing precisely one other member of exec to vote for us. The fact Qatar was awarded the world cup speaks volumes about FIFA. This is after all a nation in which homosexuality is illegal, a nation in which alcohol is forbidden (unless in expensive licensed bars), a nation which is dangerously hot in the summer (how fun to be a fan in a fanzone), a nation which two years ago the UN refugee agency reported “does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so”, a nation which treats migrant workers so appallingly bad. All these things are deemed irrelevant, as is a FIFA report describing the bid as extremely high risk. But I would say it is exactly these things that FIFA like about the bid in that if they can change this, FIFA and Football can be seen as making a real difference, which is exactly the same reason the tournament went to South Africa this year. Yes it is high risk - but sometimes there is more in it for you if you take a high risk.
FoxyPV Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 That's probably where the bid team went wrong, currying favour to a dead ex-benefactor of Blackburn Rovers. he was never going to hold much sway. The fact Qatar was awarded the world cup speaks volumes about FIFA. This is after all a nation in which homosexuality is illegal, a nation in which alcohol is forbidden (unless in expensive licensed bars), a nation which is dangerously hot in the summer (how fun to be a fan in a fanzone), a nation which two years ago the UN refugee agency reported “does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so”, a nation which treats migrant workers so appallingly bad. All these things are deemed irrelevant, as is a FIFA report describing the bid as extremely high risk. :laugh: Spot on If FIFA think that football is going to change these issues then their heads are up their arses.
Podge Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I don't know if it's been covered in the thread, so apologies if it has, but what happens if Israel qualify for the Qatar 2022 tournament? Also 12 years is a long time is politics and the middle east is very combustible. This could really back fire on FIFA. And FIFA are staunchly anti-racist, so they award their flagship to a massively racist nation that has black players that live there that say they shouldn't be awarded it due to the extent of the racist abuse they suffer? Although my views on Russia winning could well be tainted by me being upset at losing out.
purpleronnie Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I'm not sure why anyones that suprised, the bookies had Qatar and Russia as favourites, you know the bookies rarely get it wrong. Plus both countries have never hosted and whether people like it or not thats a huge advantage. Just dissapointed the Aussies didn't get it. I guess the Brazil WC bid faltering might give england a chance but more likely the USA will take over if Brazil can't host.
darko2k7 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 But I would say it is exactly these things that FIFA like about the bid in that if they can change this, FIFA and Football can be seen as making a real difference, which is exactly the same reason the tournament went to South Africa this year. Yes it is high risk - but sometimes there is more in it for you if you take a high risk. So what message does that send out to the world , treat your people badly, ignore problems in you country just to maximize profits and we will give you the reward of hosting the biggest event in the world It's the same as giving a repeat offender when released from prison the best job in the world, yea it might change them but they will never deserve it .
Houdini Logic Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 So what percentage of the crowd will be female at the Qatari world cup?
StanSP Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Good quote from Graham Taylor: Fifa is full of people who say 'yes' to your face & 'no' behind your back
Webbo Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I guess the Brazil WC bid faltering might give england a chance but more likely the USA will take over if Brazil can't host. They said the same about SA. Never going to happen. It's at times like these we need Chandler to explain the backroom shenanigans.
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Why does everyone keep on banging on about the heat? You'd think that football's never been played in conditions above 30°C The snobbery of the English is laughable sometimes, it's called a WORLD cup for a reason. The clue is in the name. If you can afford to travel over there, I'm sure you can afford to buy the right attire and invest in a few bottles of water to keep hydrated.
Podge Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 why's everyone banging on about heat, it was roasting in usa94, big deal Different type of heat and far far hotter.
Houdini Logic Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 The snobbery ignorance of the English is laughable sometimes Go to Qatar and then we'll have this conversation
purpleronnie Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Different type of heat and far far hotter. I heard they were introducing some kind of air conditioning for the stadiums to keep temperatures moderate, not sure if thats bull or not?
Podge Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I heard they were introducing some kind of air conditioning for the stadiums to keep temperatures moderate, not sure if thats bull or not? In the grass or something I think I read, but that won't help outside the stadia where it will be around the 50 degree Celsius mark with around 100% humidity, will be interesting to see if it works.
ScouseFox Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 At least we've got a ready made excuse for crashing out of the 2022 world cup in the group stages
The Doctor Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 At least we've got a ready made excuse for crashing out of the 2022 world cup in the group stages the players got sucked into the fan and were decapitated by the blades as a result? anyway it's irrelevant, england won't qualify.
BlueSi13 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Why does everyone keep on banging on about the heat? You'd think that football's never been played in conditions above 30°C The snobbery of the English is laughable sometimes, it's called a WORLD cup for a reason. The clue is in the name. If you can afford to travel over there, I'm sure you can afford to buy the right attire and invest in a few bottles of water to keep hydrated. So can you tell me one single reason why England (the birthplace and home of football, home to the worlds strongest, most watched and most profitable football league) wasn't deemed good enough to host this tournament? Not only that, why England couldn't get more votes than rank outsiders Netherlands/Belgium? Your really going to pin it on the laughably mythical"English snobbery"
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 So can you tell me one single reason why England (the birthplace and home of football, home to the worlds strongest, most watched and most profitable football league) wasn't deemed good enough to host this tournament? Not only that, why England couldn't get more votes than rank outsiders Netherlands/Belgium? Your really going to pin it on the laughably mythical"English snobbery" Since when were we competing against Qatar? My post was clearly aimed at the braindead in this thread complaining about the heat in Qatar as if it's unheard of playing football in the heat. I'm as vexed as you that we lost out to the mafia so I'm not quite sure why you're quoting me?
darko2k7 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Since when were we competing against Qatar? My post was clearly aimed at the braindead in this thread complaining about the heat in Qatar as if it's unheard of playing football in the heat. I'm as vexed as you that we lost out to the mafia so I'm not quite sure why you're quoting me? So are you calling nearly every media person reporting on this that have said the same thing about the heat " braindead" , and Ian Poulter Who as played golf all around the world in all kind of heats and yet he still says the the heat is going to be a major problem !
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Professional football is played in Saudi Arabia with no issue. Professional football is played in Southern Turkey with no issue. Professional football is played in Egypt with no issue. etc etc the list could go on for ever. But just because John Smith from Manchester can't adapt to the heat doesn't give us the right to complain. Laughable...
CupidStunt Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 What a sham, but nothing surprises me that much Spend millions on a world cup campaign,and get 2 votes, reminds me of the Euro song fooking contest, sticks of fish if you ask me "Please give us the world cup, but btw, you are all a bunch of bribe taking wankers"...here you go England, you can host it...I think not We should have gave them a bung like the rest of them....allegedly
darko2k7 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 We will see, when people dropping like flies that there as you say will be no issue
surrifox Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Am I the only person who isn't surprised? Russia's bid for 2018 wasn't great, not that that matters cos FIFA are corrupt as fook anyway, but did we really expect the best bid to win? Really? It was always going to go to the country that was offering the best bribes. If you don't think England were prepared to indulge in some of the corruption you must be mad.. What do you think the June 2008 friendly with Trinidad and Tobago was all about? Flying halfway across the world to play a team ranked dozens of places below us for footballing reasons? Or perhaps it had more to do with currying favour with Jack Walker, CONCACAF President and an important vote in the World Cup process. Obviously though, the England bribes and arse kissing paled into insignificance when compared with the Russian bid that apparently had more issues than Readers Digest. the FA's obsession with sucking up to Walker was part of the reason that Blatter got the presidency of FIFA in the first place. We had supported Lennart Johannson all the way and he had been a great friend of English football; when Walker told them that unless they backed his mate Blatter for the presidency they would never win the world cup they cravenly binned their old ally and backed "no goalline technology for me " Blatter. What goes around comes around and scumbags like walker can never be relied upon
Sparky Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Professional football is played in Saudi Arabia with no issue. Professional football is played in Southern Turkey with no issue. Professional football is played in Egypt with no issue. etc etc the list could go on for ever. But just because John Smith from Manchester can't adapt to the heat doesn't give us the right to complain. Laughable... In the middle of June ?
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