Guest ttfn Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Professional football is played in Saudi Arabia with no issue. Professional football is played in Southern Turkey with no issue. Professional football is played in Egypt with no issue. etc etc the list could go on for ever. But just because John Smith from Manchester can't adapt to the heat doesn't give us the right to complain. Laughable... I can only presume you're a massive WUM. If you can talk me through the merits of the Qatar bid over Australia, USA and Korea then you should have been representing them. Because their presentation sure as hell didn't. Still, made a tidy £65 on Russia. No way it should be hosting over England or Spain but this result was decided months ago.
Guest ttfn Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I'm not sure why anyones that suprised, the bookies had Qatar and Russia as favourites, you know the bookies rarely get it wrong. Plus both countries have never hosted and whether people like it or not thats a huge advantage. The bookies had England as odds-on favourites since Monday.
darko2k7 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I can only presume you're a massive WUM. If you can talk me through the merits of the Qatar bid over Australia, USA and Korea then you should have been representing them. Because their presentation sure as hell didn't. Still, made a tidy £65 on Russia. No way it should be hosting over England or Spain but this result was decided months ago. This is true they were saying that is why vladimir poutine did not bother flying because he already knew it was in the bag. also the result was on twitter 2 hours before the result was announced ??????
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 So what message does that send out to the world , treat your people badly, ignore problems in you country just to maximize profits and we will give you the reward of hosting the biggest event in the world It's the same as giving a repeat offender when released from prison the best job in the world, yea it might change them but they will never deserve it . No, I think what FIFA will expect to see is a change in attitude and these things will create A.) A potential legacy for FIFA and football that is good for their brand B.) New fan base and a bigger global market for the game C.) Increased sponsorship revenue - McDonalds, Coke, Heineken, Seat and Co will never have a better opportunity to flog there brand in Qatar and Russia - they already do that as standard in England and Spain. As I said, the English bid had no unique quality - at least the Dutch came up with the eco thing and ironically I expect that was what carried them through the first round. Two of their voters after that clearly thought they were wasting their vote and switched to Russia or thought they just wanted to get this over with and back into the free bar? Even the Premier League is looking to markets outside of England these days because Football is a business now, and as a business, when you've maximised profits from one area you look to move on to the next area to increase again. It's capitalism at its best - ironic considering Russia has won the European bid!
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 In the middle of June ? I don't think many football leagues play during June and that's got fuck all to do with the heat. They play up until the end of May when it's still damn hot. The point I'm making is just because the conditions don't suit you or me doesn't give us the right to complain. None of the South American, African, Middle Eastern, Asian and most probably the Yanks and Aussies wont even complain but Rule Britannia has to have it their way. I can only presume you're a massive WUM. If you can talk me through the merits of the Qatar bid over Australia, USA and Korea then you should have been representing them. Because their presentation sure as hell didn't. Still, made a tidy £65 on Russia. No way it should be hosting over England or Spain but this result was decided months ago. I don't need to talk you through any merits. That's not my argument. I'm not debating wether their bid deserved it more than any of the others. I just find it laughable people complaining about the heat. People need to get out of their mindset and realise that their are people from all walks of life and believe it or not some that wouldn't batter an eyelid to those temperatures as it's the norm to them. Once again I'm going in circles now, I've made my point. I'm out.
Guest ttfn Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I don't think many football leagues play during June and that's got fuck all to do with the heat. They play up until the end of May when it's still damn hot. The point I'm making is just because the conditions don't suit you or me doesn't give us the right to complain. None of the South American, African, Middle Eastern, Asian and most probably the Yanks and Aussies wont even complain but Rule Britannia has to have it their way. I don't need to talk you through any merits. That's not my argument. I'm not debating wether their bid deserved it more than any of the others. I just find it laughable people complaining about the heat. People need to get out of their mindset and realise that their are people from all walks of life and believe it or not some that wouldn't batter an eyelid to those temperatures as it's the norm to them. Once again I'm going in circles now, I've made my point. I'm out. Thanks, but it's shit. Barely any professional football is paid in 40 degree heat. It'll make for shit football, and frankly it's dangerous
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Barely any professional football is paid in 40 degree heat. It'll make for shit football, and frankly it's dangerous Sums up your ignorance. You do realise that they'll most probably play the games in the evening when it's a shade cooler as they already do over there.
MC Prussian Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 The Qatar National squad last won an Asian Cup game 22 years ago. They have yet to qualify for a major tournament - besides being granted hosts in 2022. They have the following stadia in place: Khalifa International Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 50,000) Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 15,000) Qatar SC Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 20,000) Ahmed bin Ali Stadium - Al-Rayyan, Qatar (Capacity: 27,000) Grand Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 18,000) Algharrafa Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 25,000) Good luck getting tickets in 12 years time - that's about half the amount of seats available of this year's WC.
I am Rod Hull Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Sums up your ignorance. You do realise that they'll most probably play the games in the evening when it's a shade cooler as they already do over there. You are a real **** pal... No brain fker...
Ashley Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 The Qatar National squad last won an Asian Cup game 22 years ago. They have yet to qualify for a major tournament - besides being granted hosts in 2022. They have the following stadia in place: Khalifa International Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 50,000) Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 15,000) Qatar SC Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 20,000) Ahmed bin Ali Stadium - Al-Rayyan, Qatar (Capacity: 27,000) Grand Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 18,000) Algharrafa Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 25,000) Good luck getting tickets in 12 years time - that's about half the amount of seats available of this year's WC. Grounds have to be over 45,000 to host a game, they have just under 12 years to start expansion.
breadandcheese Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 No, I think what FIFA will expect to see is a change in attitude and these things will create A.) A potential legacy for FIFA and football that is good for their brand B.) New fan base and a bigger global market for the game C.) Increased sponsorship revenue - McDonalds, Coke, Heineken, Seat and Co will never have a better opportunity to flog there brand in Qatar and Russia - they already do that as standard in England and Spain. As I said, the English bid had no unique quality - at least the Dutch came up with the eco thing and ironically I expect that was what carried them through the first round. Two of their voters after that clearly thought they were wasting their vote and switched to Russia or thought they just wanted to get this over with and back into the free bar? Even the Premier League is looking to markets outside of England these days because Football is a business now, and as a business, when you've maximised profits from one area you look to move on to the next area to increase again. It's capitalism at its best - ironic considering Russia has won the European bid! If fifa had made a change in attitude part of the conditions for holding the world cup then i could have some sympathy for your argument. After the world cup has left russia i am sure that journalists will still have to fear for their lives. After the world cup has left qatar, i am sure that homosexuality will still be illegal. So all the supposed fifa fair play commitments are shown to mean nothing. There's also a wider question of fifa's conduct in its selection. Our bid has cost £15mill. This is money that could have gone into grass roots football. If fifa has an unofficial policy of expanding the game beyond traditional boundaries that's fine, but why not tell people to save us (or other bidders) from wasting money. Why make us do a presentation when it's pointless? Why send committee's over to assess candidates' facilities when their reports are ignored (as in the case of qatar).
Salieri Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Very disappointed but not remotely surprised. The fact we would have 'played it straight' during the bidding process unlike some other nations, coupled with the fact everyone hates us meant there was only going to be one outcome. fook em, felt like i was watching the Eurovision song contest results, such was the inevitability.
Haydos Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 The Qatar National squad last won an Asian Cup game 22 years ago. They have yet to qualify for a major tournament - besides being granted hosts in 2022. They have the following stadia in place: Khalifa International Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 50,000) Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 15,000) Qatar SC Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 20,000) Ahmed bin Ali Stadium - Al-Rayyan, Qatar (Capacity: 27,000) Grand Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 18,000) Algharrafa Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 25,000) Good luck getting tickets in 12 years time - that's about half the amount of seats available of this year's WC. Obviously that's not going to be the situation in 2022 They're building 6/7 new stadia, can't remember how many exactly and also expanding another 4/5. Eeesh. Where to start? I just don't agree with this selection at all. Their footballing record is bad, even in a weak area. They regularly play other weak nations and have an unimpressive record in worldwide and continental competitions, often not qualifying from group stages of the later. Their WC record is non-existent having never qualified. Football heritage, from what i can make of it is fairly poor, their ranking is well into the hundreds, the population is tiny at around 1.5m. What else? Inconvenient laws for hosting such an international competition. These include no alcohol, public displays of affection (holding hands), strict dress etc. On the plus side they can afford it and will put on a show. If the FIFA love-in with giving developing countries a chance to improve themselves (ie. excuses for Russia winning) then why here? That'll do for now. Not impressed and think the atmosphere will be worse than South Africa (which wasn't even slightly remarkable when they weren't the ones playing.
Guest ttfn Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 Sums up your ignorance. You do realise that they'll most probably play the games in the evening when it's a shade cooler as they already do over there. Yes, I'm ignorant. Because I'm the one who just suggested that an entire World Cup may be played at night time. I'm sure the TV companies will love that, getting to screen one match a day. I can only presume this is your best Michael Jackson impersonation.
Edmund Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyDDKee7LY0 Fucking Brilliant :laugh:
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 If memory serves me correctly. England played Brazil a year or so ago in Doha.. Anyway as much as its a joke, a positive is Ashton Gate will remain as it is
Simmo86 Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 The Qatar National squad last won an Asian Cup game 22 years ago. They have yet to qualify for a major tournament - besides being granted hosts in 2022. They have the following stadia in place: Khalifa International Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 50,000) Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 15,000) Qatar SC Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 20,000) Ahmed bin Ali Stadium - Al-Rayyan, Qatar (Capacity: 27,000) Grand Hamad Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 18,000) Algharrafa Stadium - Doha, Qatar (Capacity: 25,000) Good luck getting tickets in 12 years time - that's about half the amount of seats available of this year's WC. I swear there's a rule that bidding countries can't have more than 2 stadiums in 1 city......or have FIFA turned a blind eye to that rule! Also if anybodies thinking its going to be cooler playing at night it won't be, I played 7 a side in Dubai at the end of May and it was 40 degrees at 9pm. Does all kind of crazy shit with the ball aswell!
Chairman of the Bored Posted 2 December 2010 Author Posted 2 December 2010 Strangely unmoved by the decision today. I predicted weeks ago it would go to Russia. One in the eye for Cameron and it also means Forest will have to work a little bit harder to move from the shithole that is the City Ground
stripeyfox Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 I swear there's a rule that bidding countries can't have more than 2 stadiums in 1 city......or have FIFA turned a blind eye to that rule! Also if anybodies thinking its going to be cooler playing at night it won't be, I played 7 a side in Dubai at the end of May and it was 40 degrees at 9pm. Does all kind of crazy shit with the ball aswell! Guess that would rule out england's bid which included arsenal and wembley (both in london) and eastlands and old trafford (manchester) then! No, I don't think that rule exists. Sorry just re read your post - more than two stadiums. Don't know about that. My bad, as they say. Too much red wine!
Jordan Posted 2 December 2010 Posted 2 December 2010 you complete moron, go back and read again, i was talking about russia with another poster, NOT Qatar, now wind ya neck in empty head Fine--then, to go back to that, if you can come up with a reliable statistical model that makes reasonable assertions that both 1) those "thousands" of jobs created will both provide an adequate living wage and outlive the World Cup 2) the stadium construction costs will not outweigh the profit they generate for the host nation, then I'll "wind ma neck in empty head" or whatever the fvck that's supposed to mean. I doubt I'll have to worry about that coming from you, though. Without context, claims about job-creation and revenue mean nothing.
Koke Posted 3 December 2010 Posted 3 December 2010 That's probably where the bid team went wrong, currying favour to a dead ex-benefactor of Blackburn Rovers. he was never going to hold much sway. I agree with all that you've said. The one saving grace is that we can now stop pretending that we like Jack Warner and the other corrupt FIFA exec members. The fact we only got two votes, one of which was ours shows that we (I guess by we I mean the FA) have wasted a lot of money and time wooing precisely one other member of exec to vote for us. The fact Qatar was awarded the world cup speaks volumes about FIFA. This is after all a nation in which homosexuality is illegal, a nation in which alcohol is forbidden (unless in expensive licensed bars), a nation which is dangerously hot in the summer (how fun to be a fan in a fanzone), a nation which two years ago the UN refugee agency reported “does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so”, a nation which treats migrant workers so appallingly bad. All these things are deemed irrelevant, as is a FIFA report describing the bid as extremely high risk. So what message does that send out to the world , treat your people badly, ignore problems in you country just to maximize profits and we will give you the reward of hosting the biggest event in the world It's the same as giving a repeat offender when released from prison the best job in the world, yea it might change them but they will never deserve it . Love the fact that you lot are throwing stones whilst living in glass houses. Britain is, after all, the place where corruption is unheard of. Heinous crime, high teenage pregnancies and vile institutionalised racism is non-existent. I didn't agree with Qatar either, but show some respect. 1. Qatar is a small rich peaceful country. A very nice place. Foreigners out-number the natives. Lots and lots of Europeans & Americans live there. Qatar is a fairly liberal country compared to its neighboroughs, but you are still expected to respect the culture and laws of their country. 2. Alcohol is served in places, mainly in restaurants, bars and nightclubs, and concerts, but its not drunk in public places. And Im sure come 2022 they will bend the laws [bloody part-time Muslims].to accommodate foreigners who cannot go a month without a drink and would disregard the Qatari laws & culture anyway. 3. Gulf Arabs love Westerns. They treat Westerns with far more respect and courtesy than they treat their own people. Believe me, Arabs are proud people and they are desperate to put on a good show - and if that means bending the laws for a month while drunk, ill-behaved, rude foreigners come to their country, then so be it. 4. The hot weather is a concern. But they have 12 years to come up with a solution.
Raj Posted 3 December 2010 Posted 3 December 2010 Sepp Blatter and his cronies should be humanely put down.
MPH Posted 3 December 2010 Posted 3 December 2010 thanks , Panorama why does this country like to shoot itself nin the foot at EVERY opportunity?
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