Babylon Posted 22 July 2009 Author Posted 22 July 2009 Correct, and we definately have a stronger squad than 12 months ago, im surprised anyone would think otherwise. Nobody said anything about 12 months ago. This is about players we have npw compared to last season, how can you be so certain Wellens is better than Davies, Weale is better than Martin/Stockdale, N'Guessan is better than Cleverly, Neilson is better than Gilbert. The ones we had last year were/are at premier league teams currently. Those we signed to replace them are from league two, the championship and scotland.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 Apart from the need to sign two strikers, my main concern is the goalkeeper. I presumed Weale would be a back up. If he gets an injury, there is no quality as cover. He himself is an unknown, and unproven quantity.
maddog Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 The squad is essentially similar but obvious due to the fact we are now in the Championship we are looking very weak, much weaker than last season. We have a strong League One side at the moment, and a weak Championship side. Theres only 2 weeks until the season starts we need those strikers quick so they can get to know the players, train with them and settle in. I can't see Fryatt and Howard scoring any more than 20 goals between them next season, and that just won't be enough. Goals from midfield will be much tougher for King, Dyer and Oakley in this league.
Salieri Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 The squad is essentially similar but obvious due to the fact we are now in the Championship we are looking very weak, much weaker than last season.We have a strong League One side at the moment, and a weak Championship side. Theres only 2 weeks until the season starts we need those strikers quick so they can get to know the players, train with them and settle in. I can't see Fryatt and Howard scoring any more than 20 goals between them next season, and that just won't be enough. Goals from midfield will be much tougher for King, Dyer and Oakley in this league. I actually agree with that. But there is still time and i'm sure Nige will get it right.
Corky Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 We need a couple more strikers, then I'll be pretty confident. I think the rest of the team is more than capable of doing reasonably well next season.
smokey Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 The squad is essentially similar but obvious due to the fact we are now in the Championship we are looking very weak, much weaker than last season.We have a strong League One side at the moment, and a weak Championship side. Theres only 2 weeks until the season starts we need those strikers quick so they can get to know the players, train with them and settle in. I can't see Fryatt and Howard scoring any more than 20 goals between them next season, and that just won't be enough. Goals from midfield will be much tougher for King, Dyer and Oakley in this league. I sort of agree but wouldnt say we have a weak Champ side. I think with wellens sitting in front of our best back four we are going to be very solid and organised and dont think we will consede many next season! Problem is, we look very short in terms of numbers and quality in the rest of midfield and up front. I just hope Nige brings in another midfielder of a high standard and two more strikers, one of which needs to be real quality player, if that happens i think we will have a decent season and maybe push for a ply-off spot bit its a big IF! Pisses me off watching Forest bring in 8 players and spending nearly 6 million!!
Daggers Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 We are clearly weaker. Our old players are older, and even less likely to make an impact. Our good loan signings aren't here anymore. I'm not impressed with most close season signings. Pearson has been given a tough ask - he has to make a silk promotion purse out of this sow ear squad. Where it works is defense, with a fit Tunchev we are going to be very hard to breakdown but our midfield lacks the creative spark I was hoping we were going to buy and our front line is, quite frankly, fucking abysmal. If Pearson manages to get us into or around the playoff spots then it'll be through hard-fought yet dull 1-0's and tedious 0-0's. I am amazingly uninspired by the pre-season so far, the signings and the performances.
Webbo Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 Nobody said anything about 12 months ago. This is about players we have npw compared to last season, how can you be so certain Wellens is better than Davies, Weale is better than Martin/Stockdale, N'Guessan is better than Cleverly, Neilson is better than Gilbert.. So how are we supposed to know whether we are are stronger or weaker?
ob1kanobe0 Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 Nobody said anything about 12 months ago. This is about players we have npw compared to last season, how can you be so certain Wellens is better than Davies, Weale is better than Martin/Stockdale, N'Guessan is better than Cleverly, Neilson is better than Gilbert.The ones we had last year were/are at premier league teams currently. Those we signed to replace them are from league two, the championship and scotland. Are you saying from last august, or may? What would be the point in Nigel buying a goalie thats not as good as those of division 3 standard? Again, Davies was great in division 3, wellens although a slightly different player, has proved himself in division 2. Neilsen is deffinately better than Gilbert, who i liked. Cleverly may well be better than N'guessan, but we don't quite know yet. The following are all improved players from 2-11 months ago, Fryatt, Howard (just), Morrison, Hobbs, Mattock, Berner, Dyer, Gradel. Tunchev and Oakley havn't improved, Dickov is a year slower.
Chrysalis Posted 22 July 2009 Posted 22 July 2009 we a weaker team based on the division we in. Not taking division into account I would say about the same, possibly a bit stronger.
Daggers Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Look at the money being sloshed around by Championship sides - the lands ape of this division has changed since we we a poor member of it. We have returned as financially secure members, which lumps us as distinctly mid-table. Anyone who didn't take joy from the success and goals we had last season is going to be well miserable this coming one.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 It's gonna be a long season if we are dived if our team is stronger or weaker than a league one team. Our line up on paper doesn't fill me with optimism.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 We are clearly weaker.Our old players are older, and even less likely to make an impact. Our good loan signings aren't here anymore. I'm not impressed with most close season signings. Pearson has been given a tough ask - he has to make a silk promotion purse out of this sow ear squad. Where it works is defense, with a fit Tunchev we are going to be very hard to breakdown but our midfield lacks the creative spark I was hoping we were going to buy and our front line is, quite frankly, fucking abysmal. If Pearson manages to get us into or around the playoff spots then it'll be through hard-fought yet dull 1-0's and tedious 0-0's. I am amazingly uninspired by the pre-season so far, the signings and the performances. You Daggers are a man of sense.
Babylon Posted 23 July 2009 Author Posted 23 July 2009 So how are we supposed to know whether we are are stronger or weaker? I'm asking for peoples opinions, but that plonker is writing on here as though anyone thinking different to him is an idiot and that it's glaringly obvious we are stronger.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 I think Pearson will probably take a similar approach to last season - as we played more and more games he adapted the squad accordingly, bringing in players all the way through the season to suit what we needed and plug the gaps in the squad. Wayne Brown is probably the best example of this. He was vital at the end of last season to see us over the finish line. Also, Davies. We had a team that was doing well and Pearson saw that Davies would add more dynamism to the midfield so he brought him in. Then he realised that was important and got Cleverley in to fill the gap when Davies left. Edworthy arrived with a good portion of the season gone because Gilbert was injured and we needed cover. We'll bring more in throughout the season again, no doubt about it. Last season demonstrated that the actual squad that starts the season isn't as important as a lot of people make out.
Jon the Hat Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 I will be feeling alot more confident if we get Cleverly and Golbert back on loan. Add to that a second pairing for up front and we look pretty good for mid table, play-off push if things gel better than expected. I am expecting momentum to be a big thing for us this season. We will have to improve the squad to achieve the same in the season after.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 I will be feeling alot more confident if we get Cleverly and Golbert back on loan. Add to that a second pairing for up front and we look pretty good for mid table, play-off push if things gel better than expected. I am expecting momentum to be a big thing for us this season. We will have to improve the squad to achieve the same in the season after. He was quality last season!!
davieG Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Assuming our team is based on this, here is my pessimistic view: Weale - couldn't get in Bristol's team in the Championship Neilson - Ex Scottish players haven't exactly excelled at Championship level for us Hobbs - Unproven at this level Tunchev - Should be able to cope Mattock - Still developing/learning any mistakes are sure to be heavily punished Dyer - I believe he wasn't that successful at this level previously, at the best he's unproven Oakley - Needs to perform significantly better than our previous Championship campaign Wellens - Should be able to cope N'Guessan - Unproven at this level Fryatt - see Oakley Howard - see Oakley also now a couple of years older than when he did it for Derby. Having said all that I'm a firm believer, especially at this level that the sum (team) is more important than the the parts. So much will depend on how wel integrated the team is, there fitness, their desire to win and their mental capacity especially in performing until the whistle blows for full time. I still think we're not strong enough to rise above mid-table.
Munzie Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 In addition to davieG's comments; GK Weale - If he is to be first choice, we need a back-up Defence Neilson - We need a back-up Mattock - Despite the hype and his young age, he will be the weak link in our defence Midfield Not too concerned providing the likes of Dyer and Gradel don't suffer dips in form Strikers Fryatt - We need a back-up Howard - We need a back-up There seems to be a pattern emerging.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Assuming our team is based on this, here is my pessimistic view:Weale - couldn't get in Bristol's team in the Championship Neilson - Ex Scottish players haven't exactly excelled at Championship level for us Hobbs - Unproven at this level Tunchev - Should be able to cope Mattock - Still developing/learning any mistakes are sure to be heavily punished Dyer - I believe he wasn't that successful at this level previously, at the best he's unproven Oakley - Needs to perform significantly better than our previous Championship campaign Wellens - Should be able to cope N'Guessan - Unproven at this level Fryatt - see Oakley Howard - see Oakley also now a couple of years older than when he did it for Derby. Having said all that I'm a firm believer, especially at this level that the sum (team) is more important than the the parts. So much will depend on how wel integrated the team is, there fitness, their desire to win and their mental capacity especially in performing until the whistle blows for full time. I still think we're not strong enough to rise above mid-table. Those two in particular are way beyond pessimistic, especially Wellens who was one of the best midfielders in the division last season. We'll be alright.
ob1kanobe0 Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Assuming our team is based on this, here is my pessimistic view:Weale - couldn't get in Bristol's team in the Championship Neilson - Ex Scottish players haven't exactly excelled at Championship level for us Hobbs - Unproven at this level Tunchev - Should be able to cope Mattock - Still developing/learning any mistakes are sure to be heavily punished Dyer - I believe he wasn't that successful at this level previously, at the best he's unproven Oakley - Needs to perform significantly better than our previous Championship campaign Wellens - Should be able to cope N'Guessan - Unproven at this level Fryatt - see Oakley Howard - see Oakley also now a couple of years older than when he did it for Derby. Having said all that I'm a firm believer, especially at this level that the sum (team) is more important than the the parts. So much will depend on how wel integrated the team is, there fitness, their desire to win and their mental capacity especially in performing until the whistle blows for full time. I still think we're not strong enough to rise above mid-table. Im confused.com, is the question, are we stronger for division 2 than we were for division 3? If so, we were much stronger for division 3.
Munzie Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Im confused.com, is the question, are we stronger for division 2 than we were for division 3? If so, we were much stronger for division 3. But we're not playing in division three
ob1kanobe0 Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 But we're not playing in division three Hence what i said, "we were much stronger for division 3"
demon_dog Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 As has been said, it's a bit early to ask a poll of this type. Maybe an idea to resurrect it after about 6 games into the season, we should then know where the team strengths and weaknesses lie. Having said that, at this present time, I would say about the same strength as last season.
davieG Posted 23 July 2009 Posted 23 July 2009 Those two in particular are way beyond pessimistic, especially Wellens who was one of the best midfielders in the division last season.We'll be alright. They where the only two I wasn't unduly pessimistic about.
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