Jon the Hat Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Robbie Savage doesn't have the brains to be right.
Guest Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 As a pundit, he seems to be toeing the BBC line, set by Mark Lawrenson in particular, that Leicester are a 'nothing' club, easily dismissed as serial non-achievers. Given that Savages best years were at Leicester, I think that is a shame. Sorry but since when was this the BBC line?
marbelladave Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Sorry but since when was this the BBC line? Since the time of our administration! Despite following the rules, as they were at that time, Lawrenson repeatedly bad mouthed us for 'cheating' the other clubs in our division and using administration to gain an advantage. Since then he has not uttered one positive word about us, even when we were top of league one and playing well or putting in a storming performance against Chelsea in the Cup. He is also not averse to having a go at Lineker over his origins as a City player. Just thought this attitude was rubbing off on Savage. Oh.......X3
Rocket-Ron Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Some interesting views.I sometimes (often?... ) get given a hard time when I criticise the way we play but that is just me wanting us to play the best we can everytime we step onto the pitch! My views can be summarised as follows. 1) Before the season I was hoping for a finish in the top half but would be satisfied anywhere in mid table, I think most people would have gone along with that. 2) After a month or so it became apparent that we were actually quite competitive so naturally I revised my expectations upward to the possibility of a getting into the playoffs. Were we to do that that would be a fine achievement. 3) A few weeks and a few wins later some people were talking about automatic promotion, nonsense in my view. I remain of the opinion that a playoff spot would represent a very good season. 4) I am in awe of the way Pearson has turned around our fortunes and totally revitalised the playing side of the club. A genuinely excellent achievement. He has brought in reinforcement at modest cost and built a strong well motivated squad, our position in the league is testament to that. 5) I remain somewhat less impressed with some of our performances on the pitch. In several games this season we have had spells where we have played clean, concise football that would trouble any team in this league, the first half displays at Newcastle and Watford come immediately to mind. However in many other games we have resorted to a very direct attacking style that has consistently failed to produce enough decent chances to score. Fryatt's return of 9 goals is exceptional in the circumstances. Errrr..... That's it. I am very pleased with what we have achieved so far this season but remain disappointed that we have, all too often, failed to play to the standard set in the games mentioned above. I put this down to Pearson's innate, conservative approach and his reliance on the direct, long ball game. My hope is that as the season develops he will become more confident and move towards a more creative, expansive style of play. As for Robbie Savage I have never had any issues with him at all. As a player, I love his character and all the pantomime nonsense that surrounds him, I find him great value. As a pundit, he seems to be toeing the BBC line, set by Mark Lawrenson in particular, that Leicester are a 'nothing' club, easily dismissed as serial non-achievers. Given that Savages best years were at Leicester, I think that is a shame. I think that this sums our season up so far. Even the games that we have been well beaten in (Preston & WBA come to mind) we have still managed to score and only lose by the odd goal!
Lillehamring Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Sorry but since when was this the BBC line? since lineker got the job
marbelladave Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 I think that this sums our season up so far.Even the games that we have been well beaten in (Preston & WBA come to mind) we have still managed to score and only lose by the odd goal! We took on Preston with 10 men, Wellens was clearly not fit. In addition we played narrow with our fullbacks pushed well forward, Preston reveled in the space we gave them down our flanks. West Brom are the best side I have seen this season yet we had no discernable game plan to deal with them. Disappointing.
Halfsy Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Sorry, but I am devestated that we gave up 2 points against S****horpe. I suppose Robbie Savage was right after all about us being decidedly ordinary...surley a jammy jammy HOME win against plymouth and then dropping 2 points away to teams like s****horpe isn't the form of a team with serious ability or intentions to escape this quick-sand like division.we also failed miserably in the real acid tests against Newcasel and West Brom, and whilst it's no bad thing being in 3rd place, I have to confess I was rather quick to see the world in blue colured specs..we are a seriously ordinary side incapable of putting games out of peoples reach without breaking any sweat and way too goal shy to be taken seriously...but that said, we should really be realistic aout our objectives, and that is to finish in the middle 3rd of the division, which I am certain we can achieve. we wern't aiming for automatic promo anyways. accepting mediocre shows like yesterdayas acceptable, we are going to be here for a very very long time. Unless we get a decent goal scorer, all the 'we nearly won' counts for absloutley nothing, and not winning against teams like S****horpe is a clear sign that we are at our comfort level in terms of skill, ability and desire to win. This game so clearly highlighted all the reasons blue coloured glasses hide as to exactly *why* we won't get promotion any time soon . No offence mate, but your knowledge about football is absolutely ****ing moronic.
willchafer Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 omg your an absolute fool! we have just come up from league one, now i expected us to finish in the top half yesbut we have not suddenly become a great side again. i would have taken about 11th this season and anything else is a bonus so enjoy it while were third!
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Think we have been a bit lucky to be 3rd but then if we could actually score and finish you could argue we should have at least 4 more points.
Mack Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 This is an interesting debate, and one that in my opinion carries some truth. It's true that we are 3rd and it's true that we are recently promoted, however it's also true that since promotion Pearson has adopted a new outlook on how we should play. Having been home and away this season to a few games the new system with the diamond narrow midfield and pushing on full-backs ala Chelsea certainly works better in away games than at home. There are several home games this season where the Walkers has been akin to a library, and that is a reflection on the way our team is playing which is fundamentally based on not losing a match rather than winning one. It's painful and frustrating to watch at times, and to my taste too negative at home but Pearson has been justified so far given the results and the league position. If you look at what Barnsley did to Plymouth at Plymouth at the weekend you can see just why what we did against the same awful team last week was just too negative. In my opinion there is a case for genuine width and a more attacking outlook at home to give us a more positive style and increase our chances of winning games and giving the crowd something to cheer. I can see how to people who have not been or listen to the games on the radio would have an opinion not be quite a clear as the original poster on this thread. I listened to Radio Leicester on the way home from the Plymouth game and the way they were carping on it made it sound like we hammered Plymouth when in truth we were god awful, and predictable in that everything would go forward through the middle so were easy for Plymouth to snuff out. The winning goal was jammy as fook as the ball pinged around the box and could have gone anywhere but luckily ended up in King's lap to smash in. For me the truth is that is does not matter that we are just promoted or that we are currently 3rd. The negative system being adopted by Pearson will get us so far this season and will ensure Championship football, but in my opinion wont be enough to get us all the way. Now you maybe happy with 8th or play offs and knocked out and to be honest so am I if you pushed me on the matter but I cant help feeling this team is good enough to go up, and if Pearson was more attack minded at home we could well be playing Premier League football next season. So don't shoot the messenger! He has a point for me and has some bollocks for saying how he feels publicly when it will go against the general grain at the moment.
Simi Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 We really do have some absolute drips following our team don't we? Yes, the point against Scunny was not ideal given the posistion we got ourselves in. However, people are quick to forget the way in which we demolished one of the best footballing sides in the league on a Friday night not so long ago. We turned up with a gameplan that night and stopped them playing their game and won the match on our terms. Obviously there is an argument that we aren't winning some games convincingly enough, but we have just been promoted from the third tier and we are managing to challenge in and around the play-offs. That's just about where most people wanted to be at the start of the season. Some, including myself, would have been contempt with a top half season. All the teams around us have been suffering similar form lately. Florist were one of only two teams to win in the top half on Saturday which says a lot about not just our team, but the others around us.
Daggers Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Obviously there is an argument that we aren't winning some games convincingly enough, but we have just been promoted from the third tier and we are managing to challenge in and around the play-offs. Agreed. But we didn't seem to manage a whole lot of convincing wins last season too, especially at home.
z-layrex Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 It does hurt to see savage slag off lc, he was my fave player when I was a youngster.
Webbo Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Agreed.But we didn't seem to manage a whole lot of convincing wins last season too, especially at home. And we won the league by 7 points. Which just goes to show that enough 1 goal victories can win you promotion just the same.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 I do agree with you OP, but we only came up from div 1 last season, it's going to take time to go from a shit team to a decent one again, but it's getting there. I think we will lose more games and wont win the play offs, but it will get there eventually. Eventually? Probably. Not until we get decent quality strikers, though.
Daggers Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 And we won the league by 7 points. Which just goes to show that enough 1 goal victories can win you promotion just the same. That's a nice half-full way of looking at it
Corky Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 I was disappointed to lose the two points, because it meant we are six points behind second, rather than four. We are near the top. It hasn't been that way for six years at this level. We are a new side in this division doing very well. If we don't go up, we don't go up. But we should be enjoying the fact the club is in it's best shape for years and we are competing at the right end. If we're in the same position come May it will have been a fantastic campaign.
PAULCFC Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 Sorry, but I am devestated that we gave up 2 points against S****horpe. I suppose Robbie Savage was right after all about us being decidedly ordinary...surley a jammy jammy HOME win against plymouth and then dropping 2 points away to teams like s****horpe isn't the form of a team with serious ability or intentions to escape this quick-sand like division.we also failed miserably in the real acid tests against Newcasel and West Brom, and whilst it's no bad thing being in 3rd place, I have to confess I was rather quick to see the world in blue colured specs..we are a seriously ordinary side incapable of putting games out of peoples reach without breaking any sweat and way too goal shy to be taken seriously...but that said, we should really be realistic aout our objectives, and that is to finish in the middle 3rd of the division, which I am certain we can achieve. we wern't aiming for automatic promo anyways. accepting mediocre shows like yesterdayas acceptable, we are going to be here for a very very long time. Unless we get a decent goal scorer, all the 'we nearly won' counts for absloutley nothing, and not winning against teams like S****horpe is a clear sign that we are at our comfort level in terms of skill, ability and desire to win. This game so clearly highlighted all the reasons blue coloured glasses hide as to exactly *why* we won't get promotion any time soon . I think i know more about baseball (not alot) than you do about football.
Legend_in_blue Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 It's not about the strikers. This excuse is beginning to get on my nerves. We need a couple of midfielders with the skill and pace to open up teams. It's all about the balance across the midfield. At the moment it isn't there, we're playing too narrow and our full backs are doing a great job at covering for this lack of creativity, particularly in wide areas. Much is asked of Berner and Nielson, you can't fault their application. We need someone who can break with pace, with skill, with flair from midfield. WBA did it to us at home. However, whether or not it is financially viable to bring in such a player, should one be available, we'll have to wait and see.
davieG Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 We'll just have to console ourselves with the fact that we're on a par with Forest in 4th place who are also relying on a tight defence and low scores, Saturday excepted. LCFC P18 W8 D7 L3 GF21 GA15 PT31 Notts P18 W7 D8 L3 GF23 GA17 PT29 Swansea also have similar record.
Edmund Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 We'll just have to console ourselves with the fact that we're on a par with Forest in 4th place who are also relying on a tight defence and low scores, Saturday excepted.LCFC P18 W8 D7 L3 GF21 GA15 PT31 Notts P18 W7 D8 L3 GF23 GA17 PT29 Swansea also have similar record. Not forgetting they spent a shed load of cash this summer. Whatever way you look at it Pearson has done a fantastic job for us so far. Long way to go in the season but if anyone said in the summer we would be in third place going into December, we would have laughed them off. In the summer I remember a fair few posters on here slagging Pearson, the signings, the style of football etc. Seems that they all come out the woodwork when we do badly. I don't understand, do these people want us to badly just so they could say they were right.
Guest Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 I don't understand, do these people want us to badly just so they could say they were right. Nail on the head my friend, nail on the head
marbelladave Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 It's not about the strikers. This excuse is beginning to get on my nerves.We need a couple of midfielders with the skill and pace to open up teams. It's all about the balance across the midfield. At the moment it isn't there, we're playing too narrow and our full backs are doing a great job at covering for this lack of creativity, particularly in wide areas. Much is asked of Berner and Nielson, you can't fault their application. We need someone who can break with pace, with skill, with flair from midfield. WBA did it to us at home. However, whether or not it is financially viable to bring in such a player, should one be available, we'll have to wait and see. A point that some of us have been making for some time. We continue to play a very direct game, largely bypassing the midfield so it is at least arguable that it we need to change the way we play before we worry about new players. Our best performances this season have, in the main, come when we have played more of a passing game but for whatever reasons we quickly return to the long ball. As a result of this tactic we tend to create half chances, rather than the clear cut opportunities that all strikers crave.
Guest ttfn Posted 30 November 2009 Posted 30 November 2009 A point that some of us have been making for some time.We continue to play a very direct game, largely bypassing the midfield so it is at least arguable that it we need to change the way we play before we worry about new players. Our best performances this season have, in the main, come when we have played more of a passing game but for whatever reasons we quickly return to the long ball. As a result of this tactic we tend to create half chances, rather than the clear cut opportunities that all strikers crave. The brief fling with Mark Davies only served to highlight the problem. We're 3rd on merit - can't see us being there at the end of the season though. Then again, who needs 3rd when you can have 6th?!
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