Sell before we buy!

[davieG]

http://www.thebluearmy.co.uk/news/City-bos...il/article.html

Can't see Gradel going unless NP is a lying bastard.

People keep saying he has little cash, lost a lot in the recession etc. but how do people know this? Are you his accountants or are you related to him? Can't seem to find anything to back these claims up tbh.

Because in reality he's put very little into this club and what he has is probably in the form of loans, if we don't get promoted he will have bought us for less than £1mill.

It was the same at Portsmouth he actually spent very little there.

Not that I'm complaining other than him giving the impression he is spending and all those gullible fans who still think he's invested £25mill.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Because in reality he's put very little into this club and what he has is probably in the form of loans, if we don't get promoted he will have bought us for less than £1mill.

It was the same at Portsmouth he actually spent very little there.

Not that I'm complaining other than him giving the impression he is spending and all those gullible fans who still think he's invested £25mill.

That may well be true but still does not answer why people seem to think he has no money. I can not find any details to suggest he has no money or has lost a packet in the recession yet people seem so sure. All I ask is how do they know?

[Corky]

http://www.thebluearmy.co.uk/news/City-bos...il/article.html

Can't see Gradel going unless NP is a lying bastard.

I know he said that, but if Leeds put in a firm offer then it could be hard to refuse.

[Vo Rogue]

There are loads of players which could leave to free up some cash:

Logan

Worley

Weso

Clem

Chambers

Porter

Dickov

Campbell

Sappleton

Verma?

Astrit?

Some of them probably wouldn't even bring in a fee, but the wages would help.

The ones that are on the real big money wont budge,Clem and DJ. DJ's revenge for the piss poor way management treated him at start of the season with no number and training away from 1st team. Poor personal management costing us an absolute bomb.

[Kilworthfox]

I know he said that, but if Leeds put in a firm offer then it could be hard to refuse.

I think it would have to be a good offer £1M+? Although NP does not seem too interested in him. To be honest when I have seen him this season he has not impressed me in a city shirt, we all know what he is capable of, but has only shown this in other teams colours. I don't doubt that he could and probably would become an excellent player for us, but how long can a player not perform for his real club, but does for his loan clubs?

I believe in Gradel, maybe he needs the same opportunity N'Guessain was given?

[Kilworthfox]

The ones that are on the real big money wont budge,Clem and DJ. DJ's revenge for the piss poor way management treated him at start of the season with no number and training away from 1st team. Poor personal management costing us an absolute bomb.

Clem - may play for us again, but I doubt very much will get a new deal here, will be off in June 10

DJ - Hopefully will be off in January but will we have to pay up a % sum of his contract to go?

Dickov - Same as DJ but his deal ends in June 10

[Edmund]

Driving the price down for potential purchases or softening up the fans for Gradel's departure.

It's not like the club are renowned for communication of this type.

Nail on head. Hopefully not the latter.

[davieG]

I think it would have to be a good offer £1M+? Although NP does not seem too interested in him. To be honest when I have seen him this season he has not impressed me in a city shirt, we all know what he is capable of, but has only shown this in other teams colours. I don't doubt that he could and probably would become an excellent player for us, but how long can a player not perform for his real club, but does for his loan clubs?

I believe in Gradel, maybe he needs the same opportunity N'Guessain was given?

Perhaps because we don't give him as much freedom as other clubs appear to do.

[The Doctor]

There's only one more chance to cash in on Dickov with the January transfer, as he'll be on a free at the end of this season. Won't be much, but as long as Derby are willing to pay for his services, the more the better. At least it'd be a start.

Campbell - yes, please. But I'm not sure whether Derby County themselves have that much money to spend at this point. Would be nice, though.

Gradel and Fryatt we need to keep. At all costs. I know it sounds little bit exaggerated, but they're the future of this club. Players with such talent and/or goalscoring prowess are hard to come by these days.

I'd rather see guys like Brown or even Neilson put on the transfer list, as they've both shown to be too erratic in this campaign. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're bad players, but they haven't been able to step up as desired.

Also, what's the news with the Clemence situation?

still playing for the reserves but i'd be suprised if he returned this side of the world cup.

[breadandcheesebrother]

As has been mentioned already, this waffley interview with NP simply means we are willing to sell gradel. I wouldn't be surprised if gradel himself is quietly hoping for a permanent move to leeds, who will be in the same league as us by the end of next summer (unless we get promoted), but are a bigger club.

also, given the brief speculation about weale a few weeks back, could there be an outside chance that he'll get sold?

I'd dump lloyd dyer, who i don't regard as good enough for this level.

[Daggers]

He was lying, he never thought we would be in 5th & talk is cheap!

Mendacious Mandaric at it again?

Surely not?!

He'll be promising us a new stadium next...

[Kilworthfox]

Mendacious Mandaric at it again?

Surely not?!

He'll be promising us a new stadium next...

Or at least an extra tier again

[BoneDog]

Surely we're not going to sell Gradel. If we did then it would take a good signing who makes a positive difference to our team to stop me moaning about it.

[Chrysalis]

gradel to leave then, so much for MM statement saying money is available.

[Legend_in_blue]

Selling our fringe players will not bring in the sufficient funds to attract the quality we need to get ourselves on a promotion charge in any case.

We need at least £4 million.

So the whole article is irrelevant.

The only way forward on a 'we'll sell a couple of fringe players' basis is to assume we can cut a wage bill, get someone in on a free, and plough the money into that players wages. However, in a January transfer window, someone please tell me where that player is coming from.

No chance.

You're looking at a loanee or "strengthening" an area which probably isn't a priority. I'm thinking Gilbert here.

[Finnegan]

If Fryatt goes and we don't replace him we'll be lucky to be top half.

For all the bumlove that Waghorn gets on here, Fryatt's the one scoring and we'll seriously miss him if he goes.

I'm more aprehensive about the transfer window than excited, personally.

[lou]

If Fryatt goes and we don't replace him we'll be lucky to be top half.

For all the bumlove that Waghorn gets on here, Fryatt's the one scoring and we'll seriously miss him if he goes.

I'm more aprehensive about the transfer window than excited, personally.

My thoughts exactly

[Fox You Forest]

Adams must be a candidate surely, can't get a game not being sent out on loan.

I can't see the point of him being here really, although I'd like him to be given a chance.

[maddog]

Whats the problem with selling Gradel anyway, he hasn't even played for us all season, if he was that good we wouldn't have sent him out on loan.

I would happily see Fryatt, Oakley, Howard, Dickov, Dj and Gradel all leave, as long as suitable replacements could be found.

That would free up a lot of cash, it's well worth selling Fryatt because if we could get £3m+ for him NP could find 4 or 5 decent players for that money.

[davieG]

Whats the problem with selling Gradel anyway, he hasn't even played for us all season, if he was that good we wouldn't have sent him out on loan.

I would happily see Fryatt, Oakley, Howard, Dickov, Dj and Gradel all leave, as long as suitable replacements could be found.

That would free up a lot of cash, it's well worth selling Fryatt because if we could get £3m+ for him NP could find 4 or 5 decent players for that money.

So where are all these 20 goal a season players that we can get for £600k to £750k?

[Matt]

Right just had a thought, Maybe i'm way out here, but if I am can someone explain - I did pose the question in the World Cup bid thread but no-one answered the question.

Who was going to pay for the extension on the ground if we were successful with the World Cup bid?

Milan on his own? Milan + Funding by investors? Milan + Funding by the council? Milan + Funding by government? Milan + Funding by F.A? Milan + All of these? Or another option?

Whichever one I would imagine Milan or 'The Club' would have to put some money up/pay the bulk of it and then the rest would be made up by another party?

We have had our bid turned down, So whats the money now going to be used for? Fill Milan's back pocket?

Why not use that money combined with the money that was put aside and budgeted for transfers, or are you telling me that if we were one of the clubs who had the World Cup bid accepted there would be no transfers because extending the stadium would be (Somehow) more important?

[davieG]

Right just had a thought, Maybe i'm way out here, but if I am can someone explain - I did pose the question in the World Cup bid thread but no-one answered the question.

Who was going to pay for the extension on the ground if we were successful with the World Cup bid?

Milan on his own? Milan + Funding by investors? Milan + Funding by the council? Milan + Funding by government? Milan + Funding by F.A? Milan + All of these? Or another option?

Whichever one I would imagine Milan or 'The Club' would have to put some money up/pay the bulk of it and then the rest would be made up by another party?

We have had our bid turned down, So whats the money now going to be used for? Fill Milan's back pocket?

Why not use that money combined with the money that was put aside and budgeted for transfers, or are you telling me that if we were one of the clubs who had the World Cup bid accepted there would be no transfers because extending the stadium would be (Somehow) more important?

The only one relevant now out of that lot would be Milan on his own and don't be fooled into thinking it or any of it is coming out of his pocket. It would all be loans that he would rightly expect to be reimbursed when he eventually sells the club.

That being the case lenders may cough up for an extension to the ground for the World Cup but they're not going to invest in players that have an outside chance of getting us promoted and if we don't and we've hocked ourselves even more there would be threads popping up everywhere saying LCFC need some money otherwise the cheating bastards will be cheating again

[Babylon]

Who was going to pay for the extension on the ground if we were successful with the World Cup bid?

Me, you, council, government... everyone except MM I'd wager.

We have had our bid turned down, So whats the money now going to be used for? Fill Milan's back pocket?

We haven't got the money, so it's not filling any pockets... except maybe our own as tickets and council tax won't go up as much now.

Why not use that money combined with the money that was put aside and budgeted for transfers

Because the money doesn't exist and the money budgeted for transfers has already been spent. MM: "we are already over budget"... that was two months ago.

[Vlad The Impaler]

Adams must be a candidate surely, can't get a game not being sent out on loan.

I can't see the point of him being here really, although I'd like him to be given a chance.

He really does deserve a chance. Played well everytime he's come on, has a good attitude for the game, it's obvious that he wants to do well for us and he can't even get in the team after a couple of hammerings. What does he have to do?

[iBleedLeicesterColours]

Slash the wage bill, we could do with gettin rid of campbell and dickov.

Adams isn't getting a game .. Young welsh talent .. if not being played then can't see him being happy so maybe he could go?

I would love to see Neilson go.

Astrit Adjaravic ? Why the hell did we get him in the first place?

Clemence is just getting a nice retirement pay packet !