Dr The Singh Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 I agree with you 100%. It is disgusting, and discriminating also. Where are the Laws to stop this kind of abuse? If they were Asian soldiers, something would be done about it. Before anyone says, "well, there are Asians in our army", check the percentage, because it is a fraction of less than 1% . They come here to live, and want their entitlement, but how many would fight for this country? Ever heard of the Sikh Regiment, the British and British Sikhs were very open and willing to have a Sikh regiment, but unfortunately the Commision of Racial Equality banned the creation, even though there are religious and racial segregated regiments already in the army eg the london irsh rifles, so before you bark on about 'Asians', don't brand a whole fooking continent into one group, were not all the same. Read the article from the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1555507/Sikh-regiment-dumped-over-racism-fears.html Sikh regiment dumped over 'racism' fears By Sean Rayment Published: 12:01AM BST 24 Jun 2007 The Indian Army's Sikh Regiment, which was formed in 1846 Defence chiefs have abandoned plans to raise a regiment of British Sikhs amid fears that the move would be branded racist. The proposal to create the regiment, reminiscent of those that fought for Britain in the two world wars, was dropped by the Ministry of Defence after discussions with the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE). Sikh leaders had informed Army recruitment officers that they could easily find enough volunteers to form a 700-strong regiment. However, despite the infantry being under strength by 3,000 soldiers, the offer was rejected. Lieutenant General Sir Freddie Viggers, the Adjutant General with responsibility for recruitment, is understood to have accepted the argument put forward by race commissioners at the CRE that creating a Sikh regiment would be divisive and amounted to "segregation". Leaders of Britain's 500,000 Sikhs were supportive of the idea of a new regiment, arguing that it would be no different from the Scots, Welsh and Irish Guards or the Royal Gurkha Rifles, which recruits exclusively from Nepal and which is regarded as a model infantry regiment. The decision to shelve the plans was last night criticised by politicians, members of the Sikh community and soldiers, who claimed that the Army had fallen victim to political correctness. Kuljit Singh Gulati, the general secretary of the Sikh Temple in Shepherd's Bush, west London, said: "The Sikhs have a long and distinguished heritage of serving with the British Army. "I know there are many, many Sikhs who would join up and would serve wherever required. But if you want to get them in large numbers they need their own regiment, something they would take a huge amount of pride in. "They would regard it as very prestigious. It is a shame that it now looks as though it will never happen." A senior Army officer said: "The MoD has missed a golden opportunity in not tapping into the Sikh community's desire to form a regiment. It's nonsense to suggest this would amount to segregation and since when did the CRE dictate Britain's defence -policy?" The decision will also dismay Prince Charles, who has expressed an interest in the creation of dedicated units to boost the number of people from ethnic minorities in the services and to harness the military tradition of the Sikh faith in particular. Last year, the armed forces were ordered to meet tough targets to recruit more men and women from ethnic minorities. A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: "The creation of a Sikh Regiment has been considered by the Army policy staff responsible for both equality and diversity issues, who went on to consult with the Commission for Racial Equality. "Both agreed that grouping ethnic minorities runs counter to the Armed Forces philosophy that seeks to include, not exclude, and extend opportunities." A CRE spokesman said: "We would not support any policy that seeks to isolate specific groups in the Armed Forces or wider society. "The creation of a separate regiment according to ethnicity would be segregation, which amounts to discrimination under the Race Relations Act. Anything that creates separation between regiments can only have a detrimental effect upon our Armed Forces' operational effectiveness."
Finnegan Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 How the shitting hell are campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan 'fighting for our country?'
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Someone PLEASE answer me these questions. Particularly any member of EDL that may be lurking on this forum. Do you think a bunch of thugs and dumb ****s (that are jelous of anyone that isn't white and has tried hard to get a job rather than moaning) marching through the streets of Leicester are going to stop Al Qaeda in Pakistan from bombing us ? Do you really think millitant islam give a shit about you marching through a street ? The EDL thinks thats gonna stop them Braindead class A cvnts. (Oh and I am English Btw). The dumbness of these people really irritates me, who do they think they are wasting my tax money that I worked hard for?!
adam1 Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Abusing religious beliefs is NOT racist you numpty. It is religious discrimination. Racism, is racial discrimination. Have you ever read the Human Rights Act? I don't think so. In case you ask, yes I have I have read the Human Rights Act. I know it. If you happen to look at the time of my post you would see it was a bit late. I tend to type things quickly. Nevertheless let me explain why I am not a 'numpty.' In the eyes of the law, racial and religiously aggravated offences are considered together, for example Racially or religiously aggravated assaults s.29 Crime and Disorder Act 1998. I have a habit of putting racial and religious together. I find it easier to use one to cover both. However there is something else which I didn't put in which I semi referred to in a later post. So I will explain in depth why the EDL are racist. Racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origins. Religious group means a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief. Previously I have explained how the EDL cannot define who they are against. How do you define a 'radical/militant/extremist' Muslim? There is no definition. Every member or supporter would give me varying levels of response. Now I have also asked someone else on this board to give me a physical example of a 'radical/militant/extremist' Muslim. What visual elements would an EDL member or supporter consider to be linked to 'militant/radical/extreme' Islam. Again there is no definitive answer and as already stated if I ask any EDL member or supporter I would get various responses. It is at this point it becomes racial. At this point people are targeted because of their ethnic origins. Racial. They are targeted because they are a different nationality. Racial. They are targeted for wearing a Galabiyya and having a beard. Racial. A common occurrence at EDL gatherings is the shout of 'fook off you pakis'. Racial.
lavrentis Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 How the shitting hell are campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan 'fighting for our country?' It's ignorant statements like these which annoy me. Who else are they fighting for? Whilst you may not agree with the war, they are in British uniform, fighting for US, our country.
Finnegan Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 It's ignorant statements like these which annoy me. Who else are they fighting for? Whilst you may not agree with the war, they are in British uniform, fighting for US, our country. That's not only obtuse but a little naive, don't you think? I don't feel any need to particularly debate the specifics of my point given the simplicity of yours but I will clarify that what myself (and FoxyPV) are saying is that the wars those soldiers are fighting have little or no relevance to the security of Great Britain or "England's green and pleasant land," especially Iraq. Of course, if you want to argue semantics, on the most literal level those soldiers are in a British uniform and are thus literally representative of the United Kingdom and thus "fighting for our country" but I would have thought that if you had the capacity to understand the ways in which context shapes a sentence you'd know that that's not exactly what I meant. Be careful how you brand about the word 'ignorant,' especially if you intend to follow it up by being juvenile.
Houdini Logic Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 It's ignorant statements like these which annoy me. Who else are they fighting for? Whilst you may not agree with the war, they are in British uniform, fighting for US, our country. They're not fucking fighting for me
ozleicester Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Billy Bragg will be at Braunstone Gate on sunday, as part of a anti edl protest Billy Bragg is a LEGEND
lavrentis Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 That's not only obtuse but a little naive, don't you think? I don't feel any need to particularly debate the specifics of my point given the simplicity of yours but I will clarify that what myself (and FoxyPV) are saying is that the wars those soldiers are fighting have little or no relevance to the security of Great Britain or "England's green and pleasant land," especially Iraq. Of course, if you want to argue semantics, on the most literal level those soldiers are in a British uniform and are thus literally representative of the United Kingdom and thus "fighting for our country" but I would have thought that if you had the capacity to understand the ways in which context shapes a sentence you'd know that that's not exactly what I meant. Be careful how you brand about the word 'ignorant,' especially if you intend to follow it up by being juvenile. Yes, the war in Iraq may have little relevance here and they may not be fighting for your views, (nor mine for that mater) and in reality they would only ever be fighting for our country if it was in real danger but the majority of the country stand in admiration for what the soldiers are doing and the bravery they show. Whilst they are there, I will support them in what they are doing. Maybe misworded it in the last post but that's what I meant.
Guest Bilo Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 I'd just like to pose a few points to the EDL's apologists on here. We're all opposed to Islamic extremism, every single right-minded one of us. Right or left, black or white, Muslim or non-Muslim, I'd say 99% of us are opposed to terrorism. Yet where are the Muslims in the EDL? Aside from the token bloke with the Rangers flag? They're almost all white and, at the risk of sounding elitist, largely ignorant under-educated yoofs and their older equivalents. We hear a lot from spokespersons with Asian sounding names but of all the footage I've seen of EDL 'meets', very few of these Asian supporters seem to actually attend EDL marches. So we have hundreds of shaven-headed, white and drunk lads singing racist football songs and squaring up to the authorities at every given opportunity. Is it any surprise that the accusations of racism and thuggery are commonly accepted by the general public? This is especially true when you consider the general public are frequently given an actually fairly Islamophobic message from the tabloids and STILL the EDL has very little support from mainstream society. Equally, the attacks on British troops by Islamic extremists in Luton for example are disgusting. They should be opposed and condemned by every right-minded person in this country for what they are, hate-filled, bigoted bile. But they are opposed and condemned by every right-minded person. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an ordinary Muslim who thinks calling British troops Babykillers is acceptable, who thinks calling for the deaths of squaddies to be OK. Because most Muslims are decent people, opposed to bigotry against other religious or racial groups. The fact is that the likes of Al-Muhajiroun and Anjem Choudary are ostracised by mainstream British Muslims, seen as at best an irritating oddity and a major handicap to community cohesion at worst. So in forming the EDL and singing shit like Allah is a Paedo and We All Hate Muslims while attacking shops that happen to be owned by someone who may or may not be a Muslim, what the EDL have actually become is the mirror image of the groups they purport to have set out to oppose, a baying mob of knuckle-dragging, bigoted fuckeheads widely shunned by the community they claim to be defending. If I see any evidence to the contrary on Saturday I'll stand corrected, but I can bet my bollocks I won't.
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 They're not fucking fighting for me I really hope you get stuck in Afghanistan you ungreatful cvnt.
Samilktray Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Whats he gonna do, take a wrong turn off the M1 and end up stuck in Afghan?
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Whats he gonna do, take a wrong turn off the M1 and end up stuck in Afghan? Hopefully go on holiday there and then his airline go bust. Then get the wrong train and end up in Helmand.
Guest Bilo Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Whats he gonna do, take a wrong turn off the M1 and end up stuck in Afghan? It's easily done. I went up the A52 not so long ago and found myself in a violent, lawless city over-run by gun-toting gangsters. Forest away is horrible.
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Who'd on on holiday to Afghanistan. Prat. Some braindead idiot. He sounds like he matches the criteria. (Houdini Logic) If they ain't fighting for 'him' or any of us, as Lavrentis said, Who are they fighting for. If it wasnt for our troops we'd be being attacked left right and centre. The Taliban would be trying to take over and everything.
Guest Bilo Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Who'd on on holiday to Afghanistan. Prat. http://www.responsibletravel.com/TripSearch/Asia/Country100013.htm Extreme Adventure holidays is one of the categories. They're not fucking lying are they?
Samilktray Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 If it wasnt for our troops we'd be being attacked left right and centre. The Taliban would be trying to take over and everything. It'd be like some hollywood movie shit I know
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 It'd be like some hollywood movie shit I know Err yeah, that worked well
FoxyPV Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 Some braindead idiot. He sounds like he matches the criteria. (Houdini Logic) If they ain't fighting for 'him' or any of us, as Lavrentis said, Who are they fighting for. Neo con ideology, oil and ensuring that govts can use the fear of terrorism to control their own populations If it wasnt for our troops we'd be being attacked left right and centre. The Taliban would be trying to take over and everything. Quite clearly bollox. The Taliban was funded and armed by the US during the 80s as was Saddam to combat the Soviets. Funny how things work out isn't it?
Houdini Logic Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 I really hope you get stuck in Afghanistan you ungreatful cvnt. In your name be it
adam1 Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 iBleedLeicesterColours I suppose you are attending on Saturday? Want a bit of a punch up do you?
Guest Mee-9 Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 It's stupid this march is. I've got a mate (17) who ain't allowed to go shopping in town on Saturday because of this. It's stopping people live their everyday lives. Fair enough his parent's are being abit fussy, but it's still stopping people. I'll be going round town as usual, but it's stupid. Everyone knows what will happen. Shops bricked, people attacked. EDL and UAF need to go somewhere else to have a punchup. I hear Afghanistan's nice this time of the year.
Jackirius Posted 6 October 2010 Posted 6 October 2010 I would love to come to Leicester and empty my Diarrhoea in their mouths gladly, as it will be the least amount of shit that has come out of their mouths in some time.
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