lou Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Was thinking about this after I posted. I believe it was silly of him to go public about it. Maybe of kept it to himself? Took me 25minutes to write that post. Waste of time. not at all, your as entitled to your opinion as Elton and NSSL! I just dont see why he cant publicly state his opinion if he wishes.... freedom of speech and all that. I dont have a view one way or another to be honest just dont get why it matters but Im not religious so......
Guest Mee-9 Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 not at all, your as entitled to your opinion as Elton and NSSL! I just dont see why he cant publicly state his opinion if he wishes.... freedom of speech and all that. I dont have a view one way or another to be honest just dont get why it matters but Im not religious so...... I'm gonna find ya I'm gonna getcha getcha getcha getcha One way or another I'm gonna win ya I'm gonna getcha getcha getcha getcha Blondie classic.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Well if Elton John, world leading theologist, says so, it must be true. About as controversial as my dad saying that Diahatsu will win the WRC next year. If Elton had any balls he'd have said... no, I'm not gonna say it. Do I look like I want a fatwa on me!?
lildave3 Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 :laugh: As soon as I saw this topic I knew Nussul would be the one crying about it. And Arab's mushroom related posts have cracked me up.
purpleronnie Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 I'm always amazed why so many people would be 'offended' but anyone's opinion or comment.
Webbo Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 First and foremost, get the idea of "gay", "straight" and "bi" out of your head. Ancient history lacked the close definitions or the ridiculous prejudices that we do. It's heavily implied in the New Testament, particularly in John, that the "beloved disciple" shared an intimidate bond with the Messiah which is insinuated to be romantic; that Jesus is "in love with" John, using language far stronger than that which simply describes his love for all men.There are also scholars that heavily maintain that Jesus' sexuality is further questioned in the gospel of Mark - particularly the so called "Secret Gospel" where it is strongly implied that Jesus took a young, male student into his bed, not a rare concept in Ye Olde World, as I said - your modern preconceptions will really stunt your reading of historic literature. Of course there are just as many scholars who will use the bible to say that Jesus was one thing, in this instance heterosexual, as he is another (gay) and they'll all have their own bias. What's important to remember, though, is that the Bible is not the word of God. The bible is the word of man. Passed down like the greatest game of Chinese Whispers for decades and generations before it was even committed to text. And from there? Translated and rewritten endless times, always by those in power or those with some agenda. Whether or not Jesus was gay or bisexual by contemporary standards is irrelevant. His sexuality has no baring on the central messages that pour from the bible, regardless of whose translations you read. And that is to forgive and to love your neighbour, to be good to one another, to not prejudge each other, to not steal and to not kill each other and to have faith not only that those who are good will be rewarded but faith in each other as people. I love faith, everyone's faith, I hate religion and I hate the bible. Because people get so attached and so literal to it's meaning, start wars over it, crusades, commit killings in the ultimate irony of it's name. If your God exists, if any God exists, do we really mean to insult him by implying he's as ignorant, as stupid, as narrow minded and as prejudiced as the people that dwell on his Earth? Do we really mean to imply that a being of such magnificence and incomprehensible intelligence would curse a soul to damnation, a soul that lived the most giving and compassionate life, because of his sexual preference? Or even because he didn't believe enough? Rubbish. Your bible and your text and rigorous laws of your religion are written by centuries of bigots to justify their own beliefs. Don't sully God's name with their ignorance. I agree with you, and that's slightly worrying for me.
Houdini Logic Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 To state that Jesus was gay is to acknowledge that Jesus existed and as such, Elton, you are just as much of a gimp as any other christian
Guest Bilo Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 To state that Jesus was gay is to acknowledge that Jesus existed and as such, Elton, you are just as much of a gimp as any other christian There's no doubt that a man named Jesus Christ claiming to be the Son of God existed in Jerusalem around the relevant time due to historical evidence. There is of course no evidence to suggest he was actually the Son of God, as there's no concrete evidence suggesting there is a God at all, but the man himself certainly existed.
Asha Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 you are just as much of a gimp as any other christian Oh, nice one mate.
Houdini Logic Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 There's no doubt that a man named Jesus Christ claiming to be the Son of God existed in Jerusalem around the relevant time due to historical evidence. There is of course no evidence to suggest he was actually the Son of God, as there's no concrete evidence suggesting there is a God at all, but the man himself certainly existed. Of course there is evidence a 'Jesus Christ' existed - there are probably 100's of thousands of Jesus' in the world today. It's more the 'son of god', 'rising from the dead', 'saviour of all mankind' part that I have an issue with...
Houdini Logic Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Oh, nice one mate. Yeah apologies - that wasn't very liberal of me, I blame being hungover
Guest Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 It's extremely idiotic of Elton John to claim that Jesus was gay. It must of angered people throughout the world. Anyone who is angered at the thought of their figurehead might have been batting for the other side really needs to get a grip. If Jesus C existed, then what does it matter what he got up to in his spare time?
davieG Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Anyone who is angered at the thought of their figurehead might have been batting for the other side really needs to get a grip. If Jesus C existed, then what does it matter what he got up to in his spare time? Perhaps he was trying to perform a miracle and get a bloke pregnant so that he knew what it was like to give birth.
purpleronnie Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Nothing, and why would they care so much if someone has a different opinion anyway? ....baffles me.
Zingari Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Well that's Jesus's reputation shot to pieces . Now, what did the prophet Mohammed get up to that social services would have disapproved of ?
lildave3 Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 The News of the World will be full of rent boys coming forward to tell the sordid tales of their nights with Jesus this Sunday.
Daggers Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Fair enough, you think that what I believe, and what forms the foundation of my life, is complete garbage. I can respect that, but some of the comments/pictures I find a little sickening. So? I have zero respect for your beliefs or those of any other faith: The right for you to be offended doesn't mean anyone has to tip-toe around your blinkered views of existence. You want to believe in some omnipotent, beardy Paul Daniels? That's your choice and it don't mean that I have to self-censor for fear of causing you tears. Don't go on the internet, don't turn on television and don't hang around normal people if it bothers you that much. Shouldn't you be turning the other cheek?
Guest Bilo Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 Of course there is evidence a 'Jesus Christ' existed - there are probably 100's of thousands of Jesus' in the world today.It's more the 'son of god', 'rising from the dead', 'saviour of all mankind' part that I have an issue with... Misunderstood your post mate. I agree with you about the Messiah story being an atheist, I just accept that a man by the name of Jesus Christ claiming to be all of those things lived due to historical evidence. I just don't agree that he was what Christians and Muslims (who also believe he was a prophet) say he was.
Zingari Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 The News of the World will be full of rent boys coming forward to tell the sordid tales of their nights with Jesus this Sunday. nah ,it's a no-goer they'll wait until the dust has settled on katie price's marriage and tiger wood's penance speech , but in a week or two ,if it get's a bit quiet , you never know
Zingari Posted 19 February 2010 Posted 19 February 2010 First and foremost, get the idea of "gay", "straight" and "bi" out of your head. Ancient history lacked the close definitions or the ridiculous prejudices that we do. It's heavily implied in the New Testament, particularly in John, that the "beloved disciple" shared an intimidate bond with the Messiah which is insinuated to be romantic; that Jesus is "in love with" John, using language far stronger than that which simply describes his love for all men.There are also scholars that heavily maintain that Jesus' sexuality is further questioned in the gospel of Mark - particularly the so called "Secret Gospel" where it is strongly implied that Jesus took a young, male student into his bed, not a rare concept in Ye Olde World, as I said - your modern preconceptions will really stunt your reading of historic literature. Of course there are just as many scholars who will use the bible to say that Jesus was one thing, in this instance heterosexual, as he is another (gay) and they'll all have their own bias. What's important to remember, though, is that the Bible is not the word of God. The bible is the word of man. Passed down like the greatest game of Chinese Whispers for decades and generations before it was even committed to text. And from there? Translated and rewritten endless times, always by those in power or those with some agenda. Whether or not Jesus was gay or bisexual by contemporary standards is irrelevant. His sexuality has no baring on the central messages that pour from the bible, regardless of whose translations you read. And that is to forgive and to love your neighbour, to be good to one another, to not prejudge each other, to not steal and to not kill each other and to have faith not only that those who are good will be rewarded but faith in each other as people. I love faith, everyone's faith, I hate religion and I hate the bible. Because people get so attached and so literal to it's meaning, start wars over it, crusades, commit killings in the ultimate irony of it's name. If your God exists, if any God exists, do we really mean to insult him by implying he's as ignorant, as stupid, as narrow minded and as prejudiced as the people that dwell on his Earth? Do we really mean to imply that a being of such magnificence and incomprehensible intelligence would curse a soul to damnation, a soul that lived the most giving and compassionate life, because of his sexual preference? Or even because he didn't believe enough? Rubbish. Your bible and your text and rigorous laws of your religion are written by centuries of bigots to justify their own beliefs. Don't sully God's name with their ignorance. i've only got this far , but how the fook do you know that ? edit ; ps i'm not doubting you , just wondering how you know
easilee Posted 20 February 2010 Posted 20 February 2010 Gay!? I'd be ecstatic if i found out that my old man was God.
Fosse Boy Posted 20 February 2010 Posted 20 February 2010 Gay!? I'd be ecstatic if i found out that my old man was God.
ozleicester Posted 20 February 2010 Posted 20 February 2010 First and foremost, get the idea of "gay", "straight" and "bi" out of your head. Ancient history lacked the close definitions or the ridiculous prejudices that we do. It's heavily implied in the New Testament, particularly in John, that the "beloved disciple" shared an intimidate bond with the Messiah which is insinuated to be romantic; that Jesus is "in love with" John, using language far stronger than that which simply describes his love for all men.There are also scholars that heavily maintain that Jesus' sexuality is further questioned in the gospel of Mark - particularly the so called "Secret Gospel" where it is strongly implied that Jesus took a young, male student into his bed, not a rare concept in Ye Olde World, as I said - your modern preconceptions will really stunt your reading of historic literature. Of course there are just as many scholars who will use the bible to say that Jesus was one thing, in this instance heterosexual, as he is another (gay) and they'll all have their own bias. What's important to remember, though, is that the Bible is not the word of God. The bible is the word of man. Passed down like the greatest game of Chinese Whispers for decades and generations before it was even committed to text. And from there? Translated and rewritten endless times, always by those in power or those with some agenda. Whether or not Jesus was gay or bisexual by contemporary standards is irrelevant. His sexuality has no baring on the central messages that pour from the bible, regardless of whose translations you read. And that is to forgive and to love your neighbour, to be good to one another, to not prejudge each other, to not steal and to not kill each other and to have faith not only that those who are good will be rewarded but faith in each other as people. I love faith, everyone's faith, I hate religion and I hate the bible. Because people get so attached and so literal to it's meaning, start wars over it, crusades, commit killings in the ultimate irony of it's name. If your God exists, if any God exists, do we really mean to insult him by implying he's as ignorant, as stupid, as narrow minded and as prejudiced as the people that dwell on his Earth? Do we really mean to imply that a being of such magnificence and incomprehensible intelligence would curse a soul to damnation, a soul that lived the most giving and compassionate life, because of his sexual preference? Or even because he didn't believe enough? Rubbish. Your bible and your text and rigorous laws of your religion are written by centuries of bigots to justify their own beliefs. Don't sully God's name with their ignorance. quality, (even the bits i disagree with) also... Arent we all supposed to be made in the image of god/jesus/mushroom, so... As i understand it there are quite a number of gay/bi people, who would therefore be the image of god/jesus/mushroom, which must prove that they/he were also gay/bi Thread can now be closed
Zingari Posted 20 February 2010 Posted 20 February 2010 Gay!? I'd be ecstatic if i found out that my old man was God.
Zingari Posted 20 February 2010 Posted 20 February 2010 quality, (even the bits i disagree with)also... Arent we all supposed to be made in the image of god/jesus/mushroom, so... As i understand it there are quite a number of gay/bi people, who would therefore be the image of god/jesus/mushroom, which must prove that they/he were also gay/bi Thread can now be closed ok , but i'll resurrect it in 3 days so that people can keep banging on about it
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