sw_fox Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Just a quick point- a Burkha is a full body covering incorporating a mesh over the eyes, traditionally from Afghanistan Niqab is the Middle Eastern version, which is pretty much the same, but with no mesh covering over the eyes. Im all for the Burkha ban as long as people are still allowed to wear the Niqab
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 I understand exactly that you have a very pig ignorant and generalised view of Muslim men and women. Why did you bring abuse into a debate about veils? Anyway you said you were going to STFU, you havent. Dont you understand your own posts? We live in an abusive and bullying world as your post so aptly confirms. I can fight my corner or just to walk away, I have that choice. Some people in this world do not have that choice, I tend to give them my support, you can please yourself. As for shutting up, I have changed my mind, not just a woman's prerogative. Haven't had this much fun in a while.
purpleronnie Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 We live in an abusive and bullying world as your post so aptly confirms. I can fight my corner or just to walk away, I have that choice. Some people in this world do not have that choice, I tend to give them my support, you can please yourself. As for shutting up, I have changed my mind, not just a woman's prerogative. Haven't had this much fun in a while. You should get out more.
Zingari Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 women should not be covered (usually too nice to look at ) , but i'd be all for them being gagged ( usually too fookin awful to listen too)
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 You should get out more. True, and on such a beautiful day too... I am well aware that contributing to a forum such as this is "God's way of telling me that I have too much time on my hands", but my work requires that I stay close to the phone and to the computer while at the same time giving me plenty of time to myself. women should not be covered (usually too nice to look at ) , but i'd be all for them being gagged ( usually too fookin awful to listen too) :thumbup:
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Ban the bloody Burka. Ban it! Ban it! Ban it! . :@
Koke Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 To somehow justify it's use by suggesting that some women 'choose' to wear it is, to my mind, the equivalent of justifying domestic violence because some women 'choose' to stay with abusive partners. Your analogy is Fail. That's like advocating a total ban on alcohol just because a few people do drink driving and causes death to other people. I have 2 sisters. One is 25, wears headscarf, and occasionally a more conservative outfit on Fridays when she goes to prayer. The other is 16, wears nothing but jeans and tank tops. I'm not for banning things, but tolerance has to work both ways. Wear whatever you wish, but I draw the line at where ever and whenever it comes to having to identify oneself.
sw_fox Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Your analogy is Fail. That's like advocating a total ban on alcohol just because a few people do drink driving and causes death to other people. I have 2 sisters. One is 25, wears headscarf, and occasionally a more conservative outfit on Fridays when she goes to prayer. The other is 16, wears nothing but jeans and tank tops. I'm not for banning things, but tolerance has to work both ways. Wear whatever you wish, but I draw the line at where ever and whenever it comes to having to identify oneself. Exactly. Someone wearing a Burkha/Niqab/Hejab or whatever is not infringing on anyone elses human rights, it is a personal choice. It may offend some people, or cause them to feel (irrationally) scared, but personally Jim Davidson offends me but I'm not calling for a ban on him! At the end of the day, if it aint hurting you, dont moan about it, just get on with your lives and stop worrying about bullshit.
Thracian Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Er, Church of England? We aren't a secular society, yet. That's just it, it's an appearance. Because it's an alien concept to westerners, it's easy to believe that women don't choose to wear the burkha, however from people I've spoken to, women are more likely to choose it for the following reason: It is also believed that it equalises women, as although not related to sexualisation, more attractive women do get the better breaks. As I say, it's what I've been told by muslim women who do not wear burkhas but who have friends and family choose to do so. That to me is what should be the issue, and if a woman chooses to cover herself up, then surely that's up to her? As lou said, there are plenty of westernised women who could learn a lot from that attitude!! A culture that once disapproved of women wearing anything higher than the ankle? Where women had to swim in segregated pools and beaches wearing woollen swimsuits that went from the neck down to the ankle? A culture outraged by the mini-skirt? I don't know that the "culture" disapproved, more the people of influence, who were often, ironically, connected with the church. But I honestly can't remember for sure!!!!! My own recollection of the mini-skirt era was that we all loved it and were at pains to let our girlfriends climb the stairs of the bus first!!!! I can vouch for that first hand as my wife had just the legs for a mini-skirt - and the figure to do them justice too, at the time.
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Your analogy is Fail. That's like advocating a total ban on alcohol just because a few people do drink driving and causes death to other people. I have 2 sisters. One is 25, wears headscarf, and occasionally a more conservative outfit on Fridays when she goes to prayer. The other is 16, wears nothing but jeans and tank tops. I'm not for banning things, but tolerance has to work both ways. Wear whatever you wish, but I draw the line at where ever and whenever it comes to having to identify oneself. I totally support and respect you're sisters rights to wear what they wish, to suggest that I think otherwise is to totally (willfully?) mis-interpret everything that I say. Since we are telling stories perhaps you would like to tell me how you would feel if your sister was forced to wear a burkha, perhaps by her husband, against her will? To suggest that this has never happend is disingenuous at best. Your alcohol analogy has merit as I genuinely do not wish to stop anyone from making their own choices in life. What I find hard to get past is that the burkha is used (by some) as a tool of repression, repression that goes far beyond the boundaries of cultural tolerance.
Daggers Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 The back of the hand has been used by white males as a tool of female repression for centuries - are we going to ban hands as well. Fucking retards.
marbelladave Posted 24 April 2010 Posted 24 April 2010 The back of the hand has been used by white males as a tool of female repression for centuries - are we going to ban hands as well. fooking retards. Are you seriously suggesting that domestic assault is, or should be legal? Get a grip!
Daggers Posted 24 April 2010 Posted 24 April 2010 Are you seriously suggesting that domestic assault is, or should be legal? Get a grip! Yes. Yes I am. I fervently believe that domestic assault should not just be legalised but celebrated with an annual televised awards ceremony presented by the lead singer of Frankie Goes To Hollywood. That, and that some people try engaging their brains before posting absolute shite.
marbelladave Posted 24 April 2010 Posted 24 April 2010 Yes. Yes I am. I fervently believe that domestic assault should not just be legalised but celebrated with an annual televised awards ceremony presented by the lead singer of Frankie Goes To Hollywood. That, and that some people try engaging their brains before posting absolute shite. Funny and abusive, it just gets better and better...
Alexikokopops Posted 24 April 2010 Posted 24 April 2010 The back of the hand has been used by white males as a tool of female repression for centuries - are we going to ban hands as well. Fucking retards.
Guest Posted 24 April 2010 Posted 24 April 2010 I love the comparison with domestic abuse, and the assumption women wearing bhurkas are oppressed. It's not like any men in the UK tell their wives what to and what not to wear. If you're going to ban any form of clothing that indicates a woman is being oppressed, then we'd all be fulfilling Singhy's wishes and walking about naked!! I also love the fact that being a feminist is a bad thing. Feminism is about allowing women the freedom to choose, of their own volition, yes. But what if they choose to wear something you find offensive? Like a bhurka? Should we also ban women from wearing t-shirts with motifs and slogans you don't like? Other teams football shirts? Should we stop women of a certain size wearing inappropriate clothing too? I don't know that the "culture" disapproved, more the people of influence, who were often, ironically, connected with the church. But I honestly can't remember for sure!!!!! My own recollection of the mini-skirt era was that we all loved it and were at pains to let our girlfriends climb the stairs of the bus first!!!! I can vouch for that first hand as my wife had just the legs for a mini-skirt - and the figure to do them justice too, at the time. By "we all", you mean you and your mates? And I'm not surprised!!
ozleicester Posted 25 April 2010 Posted 25 April 2010 so... its assumed that women are coerced into wearing the Burka by the evil men. I know, lets enact a law that coerces them into not wearing it.
sw_fox Posted 25 April 2010 Posted 25 April 2010 The best thing to do with Muslim women is to empower them, so that they become more integrated into our society and acknowledge their gender equality rights under British laws. If Muslim women were more empowered, then they can make their choice free of coercion. Banning the Burkha wil only further marginilise and radicalise muslim women in this country, and generate more demand for wearing them.
Flynny Posted 25 April 2010 Posted 25 April 2010 I am well aware that contributing to a forum such as this is "God's way of telling me that I have too much time on my hands", but my work requires that I stay close to the phone and to the computer while at the same time giving me plenty of time to myself. Time to yourself, on your hands, close to computer? TMI.
acooling08 Posted 27 April 2010 Posted 27 April 2010 I love the comparison with domestic abuse, and the assumption women wearing bhurkas are oppressed. It's not like any men in the UK tell their wives what to and what not to wear. If you're going to ban any form of clothing that indicates a woman is being oppressed, then we'd all be fulfilling Singhy's wishes and walking about naked!! I also love the fact that being a feminist is a bad thing. Feminism is about allowing women the freedom to choose, of their own volition, yes. But what if they choose to wear something you find offensive? Like a bhurka? Should we also ban women from wearing t-shirts with motifs and slogans you don't like? Other teams football shirts? Should we stop women of a certain size wearing inappropriate clothing too? By "we all", you mean you and your mates? And I'm not surprised!! Yes please, some fat bastards make you feel sick - not the obesity but the fact that a few want to flaunt it. When you can't tell whats a tit and whats a flab roll its just too much to stomach.
FoxyPV Posted 27 April 2010 Posted 27 April 2010 Yes please, some fat bastards make you feel sick - not the obesity but the fact that a few want to flaunt it. When you can't tell whats a tit and whats a flab roll its just too much to stomach. Wow. Such vitriol. You're missing several apostrophes; amongst other things.
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