marbelladave Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Watching tonight's game: Lampard was AWOL. Rooney frustrated. Heskey played well, expected the miss but gives England a reason to play long ball Gerrard all action hero antics is costly at international level Defence was very slow compared to the USA attack Concise, to the point and totally accurate... Add in the facts that Green looked scared to death from the off and King and Milner did not look remotely fit and that pretty much sums it up. This leaves Capello with an enormous amount of work to do before friday, is there anything from last nights performance worth saving?
Daggers Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Before the match some expert was going on about how the three other sides in the group would be relegation material in The Premiership - and would make easy fodder for Ingurland. How many tournaments do the face-painted of Blighty need in order to come to terms with the mediocrity that exists in the national side? Obviously there hasn't been enough yet. The rage being expressed by the pissed-up plebs behind me was out of all proportion to the desire and ability on the pub TV. I thought the country was staying level headed about it this time, that this would be the first WC where you could enjoy all aspects of it - but no. Within minutes of full-time there's a 'did you call my pint a poof?' on the Wellingborough Road between bunches of broken-soul pugalists. Feeble.
MC Prussian Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Comments like this are just ridiculous and very disrespectful to a decent USA side. He was referring to the reactions he got in Munich - and the Germans always love it when the English don't live up to the expectations.
CupidStunt Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Didnt even see Englands goal due to the stupid fecking ITV HD cock up My thoughts are: bad bits we aint got a world class keeper,not since seaman, and this proves my opinion didnt play well as a team looked vulnerable when tested with pace up front from the attackers,and are going to struggle without rio Rooney, our "equivalent of messi" only player well for the last 15 mins good bits: apparently we scored a goal heskey looks good at being half a striker played better than we have done in the last few games always thought this might be a tricky game, and had a feeling we might even lose this game, 1 point isn't a bad start against a underrated usa side (that did beat spain remember) All in all, i was angry at the end we didnt get 3 points and stamp our authority on the tournament from the off Its vital we win the group,to avoid the likelihood of playing Germany in the next round. Roll on next friday,when a victory will change the mood which will take us on to next weds to win the group
purpleronnie Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I'm pleased in one way, that the US team will get more respect from england fans, they probably didnt see them beat spain and almost beat brazil in the CONCACAF. Yes the USA side aren't full of stars but as I've said (many times ) they play together, they play as a team, something we rarely do. On paper apart from the goalkeepers we have by far the best individual players but for whatever reason they cant seem to gel as a team very often. If we do qualify we may well finish 2nd and get the much harder draw theres a real chance the US team could progress further than us. At least this time everyone wont blame the manager....or will they?
marbelladave Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Gerrard was quality today- best player on the pitch. Heskey put in a good shift just a shame he couldn't put away that chance. I can't understand people saying USA played better than England.. its just not true. We played well. We are always going to find it hard to score if Rooney is going to play as a centre mid leaving Heskey up front by himself who apart from the miss did have a great match. Two more magnificent examples of people watching the game and seeing whatever they want to see. Gerrard was poor, fortunately for him Lampard, Milner and SWP were all much worse, woeful even. We did not remotely play well, where was the passing, the control, the ball retention? Our defence was run ragged by a Findlay and Altidore, players who would barely get a game in the EPL. Rooney started well forward alongside Heskey, he only started dropping back when it became obvious that there was no chance of any decent ball from the midfield. Cue Lennon and SWP to get forward and support Heskey, where were they? Some of those USA players are RAPID. Scary pace. And if they could actually play football as well as they can run, they would have won! Fortunately they can't" Comments like this are just ridiculous and very disrespectful to a decent USA side. Barely, this is the World Cup, that should not be remotely good enough!
purpleronnie Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 BTW I know this sounds lame but I was so nervous I had my TV on but on mute and keep checking every now and again. The worst bit was from my apaprtment I could hear a load of cheering so I knew the US team had scored, I then watched most of it but with the sound off...not sure why. What was the atmosphere like?, was it drowned out with the horns as I thought it might?
CupidStunt Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 What was the atmosphere like?, was it drowned out with the horns as I thought it might? Its was quite good tbh, you could actually here the England band over the horns
marbelladave Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I'm pleased in one way, that the US team will get more respect from england fans, they probably didnt see them beat spain and almost beat brazil in the CONCACAF. Yes the USA side aren't full of stars but as I've said (many times ) they play together, they play as a team, something we rarely do. On paper apart from the goalkeepers we have by far the best individual players but for whatever reason they cant seem to gel as a team very often. If we do qualify we may well finish 2nd and get the much harder draw theres a real chance the US team could progress further than us. At least this time everyone wont blame the manager....or will they? I am sure that living in Texas helps you to see the USA team in a reasonable light but they are barely decent at this level. Their FIFA ranking is inflated by their easy CONCACAF grouping and their recent performances against Spain and Brazil, delightful though they were, simply would not have happened in a 'real' tournament. I have to say that I admire their team ethic, unusual in US teams and it is salutary to see the difference this makes compared to a side who are mostly playing for themselves. Well done USA, you came close to giving England a beating, but we were woeful, no need to get carried away.
AyewJoking Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Thought I might feel better after a nights sleep but no...............still ashamed. We should have been good enough to win comfortably despite Greens error. Yes USA played well but we didnt half make it easy for them. Green 6 - horrendous error redeemed by stopping Altidore from point blank range. Johnson 6 - weve seen much better from him in an England shirt but he didnt look as nervous as some of our so called stars. Cole 6 - alongside Emile he was one of the few to come away with his reputation intact. Terry 6 - i think we all missed Rio, especially him. King - not on long enough, he may say he can play 3 games in 10 days but try playing 90 minutes first! Lennon 5 - the biggest threat this guy has is pace so why doesnt he play to his strengths, went missing imo. Lampard 5 - another below par showing in an England shirt. Gerrard 6 - showed some determination but little quality. Milner 4 - something had to be wrong with him, looked well out of it. Heskey 7 - this is why he gets picked time after time. USA couldnt handle him. Rooney 6 - may as well have played with one leg, ineffectual Wright - Phillips 5 - embarrassingly bad performance from him. Walcott anyone??? Carragher 5 - ripped for pace by a player who couldnt keep Hull up. Crouch 5 - couldnt get involved.
Joe. Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I don't think there is any doubt that we should have won the game, and had it not been fr our total lack of clinicism in the final third we would have come away with everything quite comfortably. After such a good start I thought we might push on and get two or three but that horrible, horrible mistake deflated everything and totally changed things. I can categorically state I've never been a fan of Green so I don't need to lay into him anymore than he already has. It was a woeful mistake for a supposed international goalkeeper to make and I'd like to think James will be back for Friday assuming full fitness. The service to the front men was ultimately what let us down. Rooney was left to fend for himself with relatively little and Heskey similarly, but should have buried his glorious chance in the second half. A good showing from him on the whole though, certainly one of our better players on the night. Everybody was guilty of terrible support out wide, and the crossing was of a very low standard. It's not the worst result, not the greatest of performances but we should still have more than enough in our lockers to win this group.
Joe. Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Oh yeah, why is everybody laying into Carragher for getting beaten by pace? Him against Altidore is a fucking no brainer if the latter has some space.
Legend_in_blue Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 The performance on the pitch was as shambolic as ITV's "HD" service. Psychologically, the manager has got it wrong with the goalkeeping position. Giving the no.1 to James, not playing him in warm-up games, and going ahead with Green. Psychologically, not up to it and as a result a silly mistake costs us. I'm not blaming Green for the performance, I thought the midfield was woeful, but it was as a whole disjointed. Just like the HD service on ITV. One minute it was there, the next it wasn't. Crucially it wasn't when we scored either. I'm off to buy a black and white TV for Friday.
Tilley Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Love the media reaction to this, knew it would happen. We have Algeria and Slovenia in our next two games, we'll qualify comfortably. Shit goalkeeping mistake and a few key players didn't turn up, Rooney and Lampard being the main culprits. Would like to see Joe Cole start on the left, maybe Barry in midfield and Dawson at the back if King doesn't make it. I'd just like to think we're saving our big performances for when it matters in the knockout stages.
C-man Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Thought we were poor in the first half and afforded them way too much possession in midfield so it was only a matter of time before a long range shot hit the target. We scored a nicely worked goal and got in behind a few times, but typically our wide men showed they're absolute inability to find a decent final ball. Absolutely loved the celebrations in the union, smashed glasses and beer thrown everywhere In the second half I was mildly encouraged by what I saw at times, and when we finally got it together we looked pretty dangerous and I remember us creating quite a few chances. Pity Heskey couldn't bury that chance because he played well despite having such a clear lack of confidence. Wonder where that comes from. Rooney did nothing - wonder how much is down to the constant media tapping of his temperament. Just let him be for fuck sake.
BlueSi13 Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I think a few people are giving far to much respect to the Americans here, yes they had a flukey run to the Confederations Cup final which is the equivalent of the Carling Cup on the international stage (they were also one of the worst teams id ever seen during the early games of that comp) , but also remember this was a team that got SMASHED 5-0 by Mexico in the Gold Cup final last year....on paper this was a team we should have simply destroyed over 90 minutes and no amount of hand wringing by fans looking for positives is going to change that Maybe the pressure, hype and perhaps large away following choked us again but remember, it wasn't just our own press building us up, out here in Germany, we were being lumped in with Spain, Brazil, and the Netherlands as major favourites to win the whole thing (though i have never believed we could get further than a semi-final i might add) and when you looked at the difference in squads last night, its understandable. Tonight will be a great gauge with the Germany vs Australia game, lets just see how the ruthless Germans put away weaker opposition.
dandannieldanok Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Does anyone know what channel England's next 2 games are on?, because ITV can go fook themselves if they've got one of them. Utter joke, ofcom will be receiving my complaint when their phonelines open tomorrow morning. Licence fee may be a lot of money, but it's worth when you compare the BBC to shit like ITV. Also, it wasn't even in fooking HD for a lot of the match, kept switching to SD. I genuinely rather have Colin Murray, John Barnes, Pat Nevin and Football on Five back on our screens than these jobsworths.
Tilley Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Does anyone know what channel England's next 2 games are on?, because ITV can go fook themselves if they've got one of them. Utter joke, ofcom will be receiving my complaint when their phonelines open tomorrow morning. Licence fee may be a lot of money, but it's worth when you compare the BBC to shit like ITV. Algeria - ITV Slovenia - BBC1
dandannieldanok Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Algeria - ITV Slovenia - BBC1 Cheers. Algeria game might be a 5live job then, will probably get a better sense of any goals we score than ITV provided last night. 4 years we've been waiting for this to come around, and HD viewers miss the goal for a Hyundai advert.
FoxyPV Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 the Germans Everyone else always love it when the English don't live up to the expectations.
Joe. Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 ITV are just a general collection of calamities from top to bottom. That's the second time they've managed to miss an important goal in the space of a year, it really is an absolute shambles on their part once again. Crap pundits and a poor set of commentators just make for poor coverage.
BlueSi13 Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Nah, but the Germans were pretty much shitting themselves with glee at our misfortune last night really hope the Aussies could do us (me) a favour and shut them up tonight
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Hmmmm, England under fire this morning I see. Players close ranks, get some unity and we then get that uninhibited performance that has made for some rememorable nights? Maybe, maybe not, but there was certainly some pluses in the performance last night, especially down our right. Lennon and Johnson worked well together and got some dangerous looking crosses in, they just weren't quite on the mark. We had large amounts of possesion in the 2nd half and generally played far better than the 1st half which was far too much hoof ball at times, a fact which seems has been masked from most people by an early goal and a... unfortunate error shall we say. Heskey showed what he's in the squad and team for (but sadly showed his limitations as well) drawing in one or two players with his prescence, allowing others to move into the space created at times to deverstating effect. I also think Crouches breif cameo from the bench shows what he lacks compared to Heskey as a big man, as he's a bit more arms and legs which makes referees blow up against him when challenging in the air. Interesting that the ITV f'd up on the coverage (again!). They did something similar in that Everton vs Liverpool FA Cup game! I guess that means our pub wasn't showing the performance in HD? Oh and - Addidas / Star Wars add = brilliant!
Bugg Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Oh and - Addidas / Star Wars add = brilliant! That was amazing
dandannieldanok Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Heskey is a very lucky man, had Rob Green not made that error and had a lot of the players played better then he'd rightly face some criticism. Despite what Clive Tyldesley says Heskey did not win every header by any means. Yes he did some good work but it's no use to us 40 yards from goal. Heskey's a striker, had the dream chance and fooked it up, did anyone genuinely think he'd score when he recieved the ball?, I didn't. Face it, nobody wants him, Villa fans don't, England fans polled by Skysports don't. And maybe last night will extinguish the myth that Rooney can only play with Heskey, correct me if I'm wrong but that was possibly the worst I've ever seen Rooney play. And don't throw the "he got an assist" thing back at any Heskey criticisers, I think most players would have been able to manage that, it was nothing special. Heskey was ok, tried his best, made some decent lay-offs, but this is a world cup, chances like that need to be taken. Knocking that chance straight at Howard is a gaffe just like Green's.
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