Pete_foxes Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I think most of the players underperformed last night, the only positives for me were the way heskey helped the team get the ball down and play, the guy is an apsolute terror to defences, the negative was missing that one on one with Howard. I cant understand how he just can't seem to do it, no composure to just try and slot it either side of the goalie. As for the goaliegate, I think Green should definatly be dropped, it doesent send out a good message if your going to do something like that and still retain the number one jersey, Hart should start for me, Algeria is an ideal team to bring him in for. COME ON ENGLAND!
Trav Le Bleu Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Adidas/Star Wars ad was the highlight of the evening sadly. The whole England team should get behind Rob Green. Preferably on the goal-line.
Pete_foxes Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Adidas/Star Wars ad was the highlight of the evening sadly. The whole England team should get behind Rob Green. Preferably on the goal-line.
Jordan Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Heskey did a much better job than Crouch did in his small sample size, but as I joked around while watching the game, Heskey is the only striker in the world that gets paid to not score. It seems like any chance at goal he might find for himself is a bonus, and if he actually manages to find the back of the net, the jackpot. Funny that marabelladave would mention that Jozy and Findley wouldn't get a game for a (not clearly-relegation-material) Premiership side when Heskey couldn't get in at the end of the season himself. But this really shows, as a few other people here have mentioned, that your center backs really lack speed. Altidore also did as good of a job as Heskey or even a better job of holding the ball with his back to goal and allowing his midfield to come up and support him. I'm not sure how it'll work up front, but against teams with more clever attacking options you need Barry to be fit and play in between your center backs and Lampard. Lampard is not a player that's been bred to keep looking over his shoulder and get ready to track back to make a tackle. I'd guess that would make your 4-4-2 look more like 4-1-3-1-1 with either Gerrard and Rooney up front (or Rooney behind Heskey/Crouch). If that's how you lined up against us yesterday, when Jozy held the ball, he wouldn't have enough time because Barry would come back, help out, and take the ball right off his feet. And in the case that Findley would have been able to dribble past a defender when he pushed wide, a decent defensive central midfielder would be able to drop back and fill in the center if Terry or King/Carragher would be dragged out towards the wing. I'm sure you will see Cappello use something like this in the knockout rounds (and yes, relax y'all; you will still get there). I think a few people are giving far to much respect to the Americans here, yes they had a flukey run to the Confederations Cup final which is the equivalent of the Carling Cup on the international stage (they were also one of the worst teams id ever seen during the early games of that comp) , but also remember this was a team that got SMASHED 5-0 by Mexico in the Gold Cup final last year....on paper this was a team we should have simply destroyed over 90 minutes and no amount of hand wringing by fans looking for positives is going to change that Oh, quit patronizing my team. If you think the U.S. World Cup roster was bad, why not take a look at the lineup the U.S. trotted out in the Gold Cup? Perkins; Marshall, Goodson, Heaps, Pearce; Pause (Quaranta), Beckerman (Cronin), Rogers, Holden; Ching, Arnaud (Cooper) Can you recognize any names out of that bunch? Goodson and Holden are reserves on our 23-man roster, that's it. It wasn't even our 'B' team--more like our 'C' team, going against Vela, Torrado, Giovani dos Santos, Juarez... If you think England's going to go to the World Cup and expect teams to roll over for them, you're going to be very disappointed this summer. But here's one thing that's correct both on paper and IRL: your goalkeepers are shit. Sure, wins and goal difference are the currency of the group stage, but style points don't matter at the World Cup. The winners do tend to play great football but that's not always the case. Look at 2006, for example. Italy weren't exactly Brazil 1970. In fact, they had a 1-1 draw with the U.S. in the group stage in which they looked miserable and gave up a ridiculous goal (and they were up a man for quite a while, too). Even in the knockout rounds (including the final), they managed ways to scrape out results. I'm not saying England's going to win the World Cup, but don't lose the forest for the trees. Getting out of the group is the first step and despite your shit-talking, the U.S. is recognized by nearly everyone as the 2nd-best team in your group so the draw yesterday isn't exactly a disaster. Round of 16 is against Group D, not Span and Group H, so it shouldn't matter all that much whether you play Germany, Ghana or Serbia as I don't think there's that much separating those sides. edit to add: The whole England team should get behind Rob Green. Preferably on the goal-line. When the England squad says they're gonna get behind Rob Green, I wonder if he should take that to mean he ought to watch his back.
Tommeh Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Heskey was our main threat along with the full backs. The space they had in midfield behind Gerrard/Lampard at times was ridiculous (see the goal) Carragher was a joke and shouldn't be anywhere near the African continent still thats for another day. All in all we'll still go through, facing the Germans in the 2nd round in my opinion would do us the world of goodif the semi's and final are the objectives although that said it would robably end there on penalties and the country would go into manic depression. Watched the game surrounded by morons with a few exceptions apart from the lads I was with and really struggled to care that much.
Narborough_fox Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 ITV it's like a ford, your stuck with it when you'd much rather have an Aston Martin. (BBC)
Phube Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Heskey is a very lucky man, had Rob Green not made that error and had a lot of the players played better then he'd rightly face some criticism. Despite what Clive Tyldesley says Heskey did not win every header by any means. Yes he did some good work but it's no use to us 40 yards from goal. Heskey's a striker, had the dream chance and fooked it up, did anyone genuinely think he'd score when he recieved the ball?, I didn't. Face it, nobody wants him, Villa fans don't, England fans polled by Skysports don't. And maybe last night will extinguish the myth that Rooney can only play with Heskey, correct me if I'm wrong but that was possibly the worst I've ever seen Rooney play. And don't throw the "he got an assist" thing back at any Heskey criticisers, I think most players would have been able to manage that, it was nothing special. Heskey was ok, tried his best, made some decent lay-offs, but this is a world cup, chances like that need to be taken. Knocking that chance straight at Howard is a gaffe just like Green's. Funny I thought Rooney was single handedly winning us this world cup! He was a joke last night... Veira rightly stated Heskey was the best forward on the pitch last night!
Webbo Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 There are some ridiculous over reactions on here. We were not a laughing stock (the goal keeper maybe but not the rest)we didn't play badly. The second best team in our group got a lucky draw against us, it's not the end of the world. We should still qualify from this group and when we do all the doomsayers will be waving their flags thinking we're going to win it again. Show a little perspective.
Samilktray Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Someone needs to work with Heskey on his finishing, could of been different yesterday had he bagged in that 1 on 1 with Howard. Prat. Gerrard was the only standout player for me.
Edmund Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I think most of the players underperformed last night What's new? There are some ridiculous over reactions on here. We were not a laughing stock (the goal keeper maybe but not the rest)we didn't play badly. The second best team in our group got a lucky draw against us, it's not the end of the world. We should still qualify from this group and when we do all the doomsayers will be waving their flags thinking we're going to win it again. Show a little perspective. The problem is Webbo the majority go into this tournament with this high and mighty expectation that we're the best when were clearly not. The majority of England fans need a little perspective to start with. It pisses me off when people corner you off as a pessimist just because you have a sense of reality and don't delude myself that were going to win the world cup because I've attached a couple of flags onto my car. Are team is a a bunch of overpaid underperformers who only shine in teams full of foreign talent. Put them together and their real ability is exposed. Are technical ability sucks.
Webbo Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 What's new? The problem is Webbo the majority go into this tournament with this high and mighty expectation that we're the best when were clearly not. The majority of England fans need a little perspective to start with. It pisses me off when people corner you off as a pessimist just because you have a sense of reality and don't delude myself that were going to win the world cup because I've attached a couple of flags onto my car. Are team is a a bunch of overpaid underperformers who only shine in teams full of foreign talent. Put them together and their real ability is exposed. Are technical ability sucks. I don't think I've heard anyone say we were the best team ,in this tournament or just generally. You don't have to be the best team to win a cup competition. The USA got a point they didn't deserve because of a goal keeping error, that can happen to anyone. All we have to do is qualify from this group, which is still likely and then win 3 KO games (possibly on pens) to make the final. It's a big ask but it's not impossible. How anyone can say that we're definitely not going to win the cup at this stage I don't know.
dandannieldanok Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 We'll get through but I one thing last night stood out for me: England's left flank is going to be a major problem. I cannot understand why Wright-Phillips is even there, he's woeful, Adam Johnson did more for Man City in 5 months than Wright-Phillips did all season. And where was Joe Cole? Other than that it wasn't too bad really, Rooney was a concern but there were some major plus points. For instance I thought our right hand side was pretty good, Glen Johnson really impressed me at times. And even though Lampard seems to have got a bad write-up by some people and the press, I thought he worked pretty well with Gerrard at times, their passing was mostly decent. Same with Terry I thought, not a particularly good write-up but he played excellently in my eyes.
Edmund Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 You don't have to be the best team to win a cup competition. Just going on past winners alone I'd say that your chatting shit. Maybe not the best, but one of the best which England aren't. There are the odd occurrences i.e. Greece in the Euros but the difference is each and one of their players shows passion, commitment and plays with no fear which can hardly be said about this current England team. The USA got a point they didn't deserve because of a goal keeping error, that can happen to anyone. I'm not basing my opinions on last night game, I've had these opinions for the last few years. Didn't deserve? USA scored a valid goal. Error or not they fully deserved there point. A goals a goal. So by your logic Cardiff didn't deserve to be in the playoff final because Kermorgant made an error? Come on Webbo lay off the wacky baccy. You can't blame a whole outcome of a game on one error. There was 90 minutes of football to be played and England simply weren't good enough. All we have to do is qualify from this group, which is still likely and then win 3 KO games (possibly on pens) to make the final. It's a big ask but it's not impossible. Keep on dreaming How anyone can say that we're definitely not going to win the cup at this stage I don't know. It's like saying leicester will win the F.A cup during the third round draw. You can either dream or have realistic expectations. Don't get me wrong Webbo I'd love us to go all the way to the final and win but I just don't see it. Hopefully I'm proved wrong.
Webbo Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Didn't deserve? USA scored a valid goal. Error or not they fully deserved there point. A goals a goal. So by your logic Cardiff didn't deserve to be in the playoff final because Kermorgant made an error? Come on Webbo lay off the wacky baccy. Yes it was a valid goal. Are you saying that it's impossible for an error like that to go in our favour? Keep on dreaming It's like saying leicester will win the F.A cup during the third round draw. You can either dream or have realistic expectations. It's easy to be negative, there are always more losers than winners. I seem to remember that there were plenty of know alls who thought it was laughable that Leicester could make the playoffs ,iIrc one of them was you. They were all pretty quiet come April.
Corky Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 For all the talk of Heskey missing that chance, and he should've scored, SWP had a great chance himself that he missed, so Heskey wasn't the only one to pass up an opportunity. There is nothing to fear in the other sides of the group, six points is very gettable. We should still go through.
Salieri Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 It's like saying leicester will win the F.A cup during the third round draw. You can either dream or have realistic expectations. Not really. England are third or fourth favourites to win the World Cup whereas Leicester would have odds of around 1000/1 to lift the F.A Cup. I don't think we will win it. However, on our day (and with a bit of luck) we are capable of beating anyone so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. It was a mediocre start by us, but look at the other teams so far, nobody has exactly set the world alight yet. It will be interesting to see how well Spain and Brazil start the tournament. I'm just an optimist i guess.
Brainy Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 For all the talk of Heskey missing that chance, and he should've scored, SWP had a great chance himself that he missed, so Heskey wasn't the only one to pass up an opportunity. There is nothing to fear in the other sides of the group, six points is very gettable. We should still go through. Agree with all but Heskey's chance was easier. I'd have liked SWP to hit it low into the far corner.
purpleronnie Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 TBH We should beat algeria and the other side but with england you never know. If we dont progress it would probably be the worst ever performance in a WC by england. But hopefully we'll still win the group, we'll need to if germany win their group I cant see us beating them. It would be a real shame as our draw is pretty amazing you couldnt really hope for a better group or draw, makes you think if we cant do it now we'll never do it.
purpleronnie Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 I think a few people are giving far to much respect to the Americans here, yes they had a flukey run to the Confederations Cup final which is the equivalent of the Carling Cup on the international stage (they were also one of the worst teams id ever seen during the early games of that comp) , but also remember this was a team that got SMASHED 5-0 by Mexico in the Gold Cup final last year....on paper this was a team we should have simply destroyed over 90 minutes and no amount of hand wringing by fans looking for positives is going to change that Maybe the pressure, hype and perhaps large away following choked us again but remember, it wasn't just our own press building us up, out here in Germany, we were being lumped in with Spain, Brazil, and the Netherlands as major favourites to win the whole thing (though i have never believed we could get further than a semi-final i might add) and when you looked at the difference in squads last night, its understandable. Tonight will be a great gauge with the Germany vs Australia game, lets just see how the ruthless Germans put away weaker opposition. Beating spain, flukey?
dandannieldanok Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Oh how I'd love England and Slovenia to qualify ahead of these arses, problem with that headline is that many Americans will actually think USA won the game.
Mee Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Haha Man, they do over do things. As someone else said, it would be so nice to see someone other than America to qualify
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Heskey, Ashley Cole, Johnson and Gerrard were all half decent last night. Lennon looked good in parts and offered zip at points, his pass through to Heskey was excellent, although his crossing really does need improving. Rooney didn't offer much unfortunately, neither did Lampard. Shaun Wright Phillips seems to have no ability to beat the full back, and his effort on goal was neither here nor there. Joe Cole should've been brought on for Milner. Carragher looked shaky as well, would much rather see Dawson in the squad ahead of him, he's hideously out of form at the minute.
davieG Posted 13 June 2010 Author Posted 13 June 2010 Haha British! - I bet the Scots, Welsh and NIrish love that.
Matt Posted 13 June 2010 Posted 13 June 2010 Haha And they wonder why a majority of the World thinks there arseholes and go OTT on things. Hoping for Slovenia 2nd place big time
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