STUHILL Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Good luck they'll need it with him in charge. Nice, farty football but the fitness of the players was woeful (here - interesting how many less injuries we have now and Swansea). I quote Sven in saying there was no scouting system and no fitness coach....that is dreadful. Yeh Sousa has a lot to learn in Management but his philosophy playing good football could see him succeed eventually, but perhaps not in the Championship
cc_star Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 He could work somewhere, but was clueless at every single level for us
Guest Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 He could work somewhere, but was clueless at every single level for us A good player with no idea about coaching or management. Can't see him being a success anywhere. Perhaps he should go to the Portuguese leagues.
Jakemoore Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Good luck they'll need it with him in charge. Nice, farty football but the fitness of the players was woeful (here - interesting how many less injuries we have now and Swansea). I quote Sven in saying there was no scouting system and no fitness coach....that is dreadful. Yeah, it would be dreadful if it were true. Sven had that wrong & was told so by the chief scout at the time, who actually had another 7 scouts working for the club. I happen to know the guy, and had been told this by him some time ago I'm not sure on the fitness side of things, but the proof of that pudding was there for us all to see. I would say tho, whilst i'm a city fan and want Sven to have massive success with us i wouldnt necessarily believe everything he say
Guest Bilo Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 I think Sousa could be a good manager somewhere with the style of football he likes his sides to play, but not in England. The pace, physicality and the fitness demands they entail will always undermine him. Not sure Palace are the best side to adapt either seeing as they like to go for a more direct approach and confidence is low. If Sousa joins Palace, they'll go down.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 If he gets the job I'll be straight down the bookies backing Palace for relegation. I hope he does really. Easy money
scott_gunnell Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 I quote Sven in saying there was no scouting system and no fitness coach....that is dreadful. . Even my sunday team that has a crowd of 7 has a fitness coach for most training sessions
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Diodn't he join Swansea when they were in relegation troubles and turn them around. I think we didn't see the best of Sousa and I don't think he was all about pretty football.
Ozwin Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 He'll do amazing with them, just like Holloway after he left.
Guest Bilo Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Diodn't he join Swansea when they were in relegation troubles and turn them around. I think we didn't see the best of Sousa and I don't think he was all about pretty football. No, he took over after Roberto Martinez buggered off to Wigan and Swansea had had a decent season. Sure they finished about 9th in their first season.
z-layrex Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Live in a Palace supporters town, everyone I know who supports them are really annoyed and worried about this.
Kitchandro Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 If he gets the job I'll be straight down the bookies backing Palace for relegation. I hope he does really. Easy money I'll second that
davieG Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Whatever backroom staff he may or may not have had was severely restricted, remember we were in the process of being sold by Mandaric and any business in that situation will keep their costs to a minimum. It seems obvious to me he was promised resources but they would only come after the takeover, hence Sven's recruitments but he never lasted long enough to benefit from the extra funds resulting from the takeover - he thought he was in it for the long term. Not that he can complain as he was complicit in the underhand removal of Pearson. Whether he would have fared better with more funds etc and a fully planned pre-season - who knows? He's gone so we don't need to know.
Kitchandro Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 I can't believe some of the posts on this thread. The guy was completely clueless, a lot more so than Holloway who had a far more difficult job. Not saying Holloway wasn't shit here cos he was. But I cannot believe some people were sad to see Sousa go. And it's perfectly obvious to me that he will fail at most places. He couldn't tell a good player from a shit player, his man management was awful, and the teams he put out couldn't defend. Whatever country you manage in - if you can't organise the defence you will lose. Bad manager and that's all there is to it for me, don't feel sorry for him in the slightest, he's probably ruined our season and we can only hope Sven can save it as best as possible.
z-layrex Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 We were just rinsing a Palace mate over this via email and he's emailed this back: Despite the victory the Eagles remain in the Championship's bottom three and in need of the right man to guide them up the table, with experienced second tier bosses Steve Coppell and Paolo Sousa linked to the role. But Ambrose believes rookie manager Freedman is the main contender.He told the South London Press: "Dougie's come in and brought his own message to the team. There would be no surprise in the camp if Dougie was appointed manager - he has got a lot of respect from the lads." **** Ya'll! Interesting...
Kitchandro Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 The opinion that he lost the dressing room seems to be on here and on here only. He left Swansea after putting them in a position they've never been before. As for the way things were when Pearson left, have you ever considered that it's Pearsons fault things went to shit, due to leaving, and that it was Sousa who had to pick things up. Pearson left Leicester on his own accord. He didn't love the club, he didn't give a shit. We got embarassed by Portsmouth, but that's about it as far as i remember. Every other game we were either unlucky or lost by the smallest of margins. How the fook do you know if he refused to play certain players because they played for the manager before? I despair sometimes, i really do. If we go down, its the least many of you 'fans' deserve. Ah, the Arabs have this management thing down to a tee, eh? Are you really going down this road? EDIT: And one more thing. Managers like Holloway, Megson (was doing a solid job at the time) and probably Sousa in future didn't work out here for what reason. What's the common denominator? No, Swansea players and fans said he lost the dressing room too. Pearson was a great manager and left the club in a good position with a good squad for Sousa to build on. It's bordering on shameful that you blame Pearson. We conceded a hat full of goals, it wasn't just in one game. We were bottom. And the level of cluelessness shown in that one game alone was enough to make up my mind, the rest just backed up the truth. They all went on to manage shit small clubs? And we didn't fire Megson, even though he was shit at Bolton so I don't know why you bring him up. Yes we really are shit fans for wanting managers who get us relegated sacked Surely this guy was a wum?
cc_star Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 That was along time ago, before we knew that Pearson had been under-mined by Manderic inviting Sousa as his guest to both play-off games, then ensuring Pearson wasn't around when the new owners visited. When Pearson confronted Milan about it, he never backed him so he went to a club that wanted him.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 PEARSON did well at CITY but nobody forced him to go to Hull City - hes made his bed he can lie on it. SOUSA was terrible for us, however i do believe he wanted football to be played in the right manner and had the right ideals etc etc. I wish SOUSA the best in the future and i think he may well prove himself to be a very good manager in the future it just didnt work out with us and lets be honest MILAN was an interferring meddling disloyal prat whos fooked off to pastures new
Bugg Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Why do you type something in full capitals every sentence or two?
Kitchandro Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 PEARSON did well at CITY but nobody forced him to go to Hull City - hes made his bed he can lie on it. SOUSA was terrible for us, however i do believe he wanted football to be played in the right manner and had the right ideals etc etc. I wish SOUSA the best in the future and i think he may well prove himself to be a very good manager in the future it just didnt work out with us and lets be honest MILAN was an interferring meddling disloyal prat whos fooked off to pastures new Nobody asked him to stay either
ajthefox Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 No, Swansea players and fans said he lost the dressing room too. Pearson was a great manager and left the club in a good position with a good squad for Sousa to build on. It's bordering on shameful that you blame Pearson. We conceded a hat full of goals, it wasn't just in one game. We were bottom. And the level of cluelessness shown in that one game alone was enough to make up my mind, the rest just backed up the truth. They all went on to manage shit small clubs? And we didn't fire Megson, even though he was shit at Bolton so I don't know why you bring him up. Yes we really are shit fans for wanting managers who get us relegated sacked Surely this guy was a wum? don't think the pompey game is that reprsentative of our shit defending. Morrison did one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and then Vitor got himself sent off. We were 2-0, 10 men down and everything went to shit, it's not an excuse to give in but i think the players were shocked and it showed because we were clueless. I actually thought Sousa was going to get us improving because the problems we had were changeable, but we were bottom for a reason. the poster bringing Pearson into it when Sousa had the whole of pre-season to get to grips with the squad is just needless and stupid. After the way Pearson left it was poisoned challice however that was self inflicted so it serves him right, had he not been coersed by mandy he might still be here. All in all I kinda liked him, but I'm under no llusions and his sacking was although premature for me, understandable. I think he might surprise us all at Palace. Might flop again but he's not got a lot to work wih really, maybe that might help, who knows. On a side notethe post you quoted said Megson as doing well. HA, **** off whoever said that. Megson was, is and always wil be shit. I remember his last game. He/we got booed off at ft and I specfically remember shouting for someone to sack the ginger **** before walking out because laughed histerically when on the news days later when he had been "poached" off us by Bolton. Great news for me that was, never did like bolton after the opening day of the season we went down..
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Sousa brought his methods into a successful team far too quickly. He should have done what Coyle has at Bolton, belnd them ins slowly but still using the old style from time to time. Palace is a better job for him, he will try to get the defence bettere like he did at Swansea, then if they go down, its not his fault the damage had already been done. He cant lose there.
cc_star Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Interesting recollection of events & distorting of the facts Pearson was put in a position by Manderic (& potentially the new owners as well, we'll never know) that leaving was the only option Sousa didn't have a clue at any aspect of managing a football club, getting players fit, signing players suitable for the division, selecting a team, preparing a team for a match, tactics for the match, motivation, formation, right players in the right position, man management... anything You can write was right about Sousa at Leicester on a pin head the one thing going for him at Palace is that the only way is up for them & he probably learnt alot from his time at Leicester about how not to go about things But its in the past now
Babylon Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 Pearson was put in a position by Manderic (& potentially the new owners as well, we'll never know) that leaving was the only option If he was so sure of himself getting the sack why not just wait for the payoff. There were plenty of options, lets not make excuses for him.
Kitchandro Posted 5 January 2011 Posted 5 January 2011 If he was so sure of himself getting the sack why not just wait for the payoff. There were plenty of options, lets not make excuses for him. He didn't want to hang around somehwere where he wasn't wanted.
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