HonradaRaposa Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 scowcroft played in the premiership with us Gallagher has had a dabble too. Iain Hume on the other hand
smudgerfox Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Gallagher has spent his entire career being a "bits and pieces" player - forever on loan, fitting round other players etc. He just hasn't proven himself consistently good enough to build a strike force around him. Wherever you play him he is annoyingly peripheral and as others have said he attempts some outrageous shots and passes which sometimes convince you he's a special talent but which mostly sacrifice possession too cheaply. He's not strong enough to play right up top and his finishing at short range is woeful. Overall his main priority on the pitch seems to be collecting anough cameos for a "Paul Gallagher's Greatest Moments" DVD Any thoughts of doing the simple and the team thing seem to be absent
Alexikokopops Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Does anyone know what position Gallagher actually plays? I'm not sure even he does.
Jimmy Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Does anyone know what position Gallagher actually plays? I'm not sure even he does. just behind the strikers in the middle would be his best role
Houdini Logic Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Does anyone know what position Gallagher actually plays? I'm not sure even he does. Deputy corner taker
The Doctor Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 Deputy corner taker morely likely deputy for the deputy, waghorn's better than him and i suspect abe is as well. i reckon gllaghers postion is "trick monkey" - he goes around doing all sorts of tricks but his overall play is more destructive than constructive.
Uncle Monty Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 So most people think that his best role is behind the strikers. That is not a formation we normally play (and like a few posters have said King would be probably selected in this role anyway) which would mean building the midfield and attack around one player, one distinctly average player. He is a good squad player, he obviously has skill (most agree) but doesn't seem to apply it well - something of a touch to much player. I also think that he is too slight for the championship and gets builied off the ball too much.
marbelladave Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 So most people think that his best role is behind the strikers. That is not a formation we normally play (and like a few posters have said King would be probably selected in this role anyway) which would mean building the midfield and attack around one player, one distinctly average player. He is a good squad player, he obviously has skill (most agree) but doesn't seem to apply it well - something of a touch to much player. I also think that he is too slight for the championship and gets builied off the ball too much. If we continue to play the way we played at Leeds (which I very much hope we do) then his position is the attacking mid ahead of the two deeper 'holding' players (Oakley and Wellens on the night). On that occasion King played the attacking role and did so rather well, I expect we will see see more of that in the weeks to come. Given Kings goalscoring prowess, it is an obvious move and could prove to be successful, so I have no real objection to us setting up in this way. I do however have one or two reservations, King's reputation is as a goals scorer not a goal maker, perhaps not ideal for the 'creative' role, furthermore I suggest that King's ability to arrive late and unmarked is the main reason for his good scoring record. Push him further forward and he will be easier for the defence to pick up as happened in a couple of games under Sousa, but that was under Sousa and we were generally speaking, a bit crap. Again as I said elsewhere, if King plays further forward we lose his defensive contribution which is particularly effective in our own box, not sure if we can afford to do that, if he plays his normal box to box role we get his defensive contribution and he still gets forward in support and will still get his goals.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 22 October 2010 Posted 22 October 2010 He's a luxury player. The championsip rough and tumble doesn't allow for this...
Haydos Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 Thought i'd kick start this again for a few more up to date opinions on Gally. Who actually rates him and who doesn't? I've got a little thing for him and despite his criticisms I feel he brings a few things to the team. He often gets knocked for his lack of strength, heading ability and shying out of tackles. I think these are bonuses for a player in his position and it seems harsh at times when on the other wing Dyer is not much stronger in any of these areas. I'm by no means his biggest fan but i think his first touch, passing ability and decision making further up the pitch benefit us when there is good movement and pace around him. I often forget about him during games until i focus on him and realise he's involved in a lot of nothing-special link play, much like Kingy when he's not getting into the box. He gets a lot of digs/low ratings so would just like a few thoughts on him as i've only been able to see the doncaster and forest games recently. Chaaaaars.
sdb Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I'm a fan. Probably our best ball player, often given the ball when we're under pressure and retains possession well. Can be poor/frustrating, but same goes for all players, including even King. Majority of criticism is harsh, and he scores goals - set pieces or not. Long may it continue!
dyer11 Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I'm a fan. Probably our best ball player, often given the ball when we're under pressure and retains possession well. Can be poor/frustrating, but same goes for all players, including even King. Majority of criticism is harsh, and he scores goals - set pieces or not. Long may it continue! ^^^ couldn't agree more tbh mate (Y)
Mikey Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 Thought i'd kick start this again for a few more up to date opinions on Gally. Who actually rates him and who doesn't? I've got a little thing for him and despite his criticisms I feel he brings a few things to the team. He often gets knocked for his lack of strength, heading ability and shying out of tackles. I think these are bonuses for a player in his position and it seems harsh at times when on the other wing Dyer is not much stronger in any of these areas. I'm by no means his biggest fan but i think his first touch, passing ability and decision making further up the pitch benefit us when there is good movement and pace around him. I often forget about him during games until i focus on him and realise he's involved in a lot of nothing-special link play, much like Kingy when he's not getting into the box. He gets a lot of digs/low ratings so would just like a few thoughts on him as i've only been able to see the doncaster and forest games recently. Chaaaaars. Tbf though Dyers got bags of pace, something Gallagher doesn't have and you can see Dyer puts 100% percent, whereas Gallaghers got a more airy-fairy approach and tries 50+ yard passes too often and loses which pisses everyone off.
Joe. Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I can't really understand the criticisms at the moment if I'm honest. Gallagher's been a significant part of our revival under Sven - he was certainly more of a bit-part player under Sousa. While yes, he has his hugely frustrating moments, who doesn't? I'd go as far to say he's perhaps our best player on the ball alongside Wellens, and he's demonstrated that time and time again with the quality of his final balls. Corners aside, obviously. Looking at the Football League website it says he only has two assists this season, but I've convinced myself he's involved in the build-up for a lot of goals. Creativity is an underrated quality it seems, and while we continue our surge up the table I think there are far more contestable players in the side to worry about than him.
Haydos Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 Nice one, good to know i'm not being mental then because even though he's not been stand out i've been finding myself thinking we'd be a lot more 1 dimensional going forward if he involved in the build up. Hope he can crack on now, his head seems to be up and he can only be growing in confidence with the goals that have come his way.
Webbo Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 Creativity is an underrated quality it seems, and while we continue our surge up the table I think there are far more contestable players in the side to worry about than him.
Guest parky0607 Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I don't understand this thread at all, alright he's not the best player we've got but he's certainly in the top 11. His form at the minute is outstanding, and his technique is great. As for tracking back and defending, he is improving and I saw plenty of it yesterday. I would say this is like kicking a man when he's down, but this is kicking a man when hes almost at his best.
Haydos Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 The thread is old if you read the dates. Read the first post from earlier today and you'll see it's about his improved form (Rather than starting another thread about an individual player's form like everyone seems to love doing).
Uncle Monty Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 He's had a good rum of form which is great to see. The way he takes penalties is amazing.
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 Good point about Peno's. Well in Gally! I can never understand why people always say we need 'a quality winger'. Biggest load of shit ive heard, Dyer is quick and gets to the byline, also chips in with a few goals. Gally is the set piece guy and crosser, doesnt get to the byline much, but he offers us the balance. I like our 2 wingers because we have the best of both, a good crosser/shooter/set piece player & a fast/trickyish/dangerous winger on the other side, so we have the perfect balance. In my comments futher up i've expressed my view specifically on Gallagher (good ones). Just popped into my head that he's abit like a poor man's David Beckham in his style of play.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I remember this exact debate about Gareth Williams, Stephen Hughes, Lilian Nalis, Joey Gudjonsson etc. And each side of the debate was identical to what it is now. Is this just what we do to our players? Question their usefulness until they leave?
STUHILL Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I was really happy when we signed him but I watched him closely yesterday and can understand people's frustration. He seems to slow down a lot of our moves by pondering too long on the ball and with no real pace himself, rarely runs with the ball and is forced to put a foot on it and look for a pass, which is fine but when we have players like Dyer and Vassel wanting quick balls played to them to undo defenders, then it hinders our attack. Many times yesterday we were breaking forward fast but when played to Gallagher he slowed the move down. He reminds me of Stephen Hughes in defence, runs around but won't put his foot in and will never win a header. There is no doubting though he is perhaps our best dead ball specialist at the moment, although Cunningham looks pretty handy and we can't argue with 3 goals in 2 games so he deserves to keep his place, however, I think longer term unless he improves some of the weaker parts of his game, such as being more committed in defence and less ponderous in open play, then he may struggle if we sign some wingers in Jan.
Father Ted Posted 12 December 2010 Posted 12 December 2010 I've always rated him. Ok, he's scared to stick his foot in but he's got that bit of quality touch and control that is needed in a team. Sometimes, he looks too much for a hollywood pass but when he plays it simple and gets into good positions he is dangerous. He is always a goal threat as well.
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