Rememberance Day Protests

[ajthefox]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328703/Remembrance-Day-Poppy-burning-Muslim-protesters-mar-Armistice-Day.html?ref=nf

Freedom of speech and all that is fine, but stuff like this shouldn't happen. Whether Iraq and Afghanistan are justified Wars is a different matter, this is just disgusting.

[purpleronnie]

They have a democratic right to free speach, just like the idiots of the EDL are allowed to do their thing.

[Mee]

Disgraceful. Yes, everyone has an opinion, but 'British soldiers burn in hell', well, just pure disgraceful.

[purpleronnie]

Yes, but they have the right to say it, thats the whole point.

[Zingari]

Yes, but they have the right to say it, thats the whole point.

could this can be construed as inciting religious hatred though ? even if muslims are inciting the hatred against themselves

[Guest Bilo]

I think this is disgusting and offensive, and that anybody involved in it is an absolute weapon, but I also get the feeling that is being somewhat over-hyped. By publicising an incredibly small and insignificant rabble of cranks, the media has once again played right into the hands of the far-right and extremist Muslims who want to cause ructions in society left, right and centre. Make no mistake, most Muslims see these idiots for what they are, racist, bigoted idiots who should be ignored at any given opportunity. It's a tiny and unrepresentative minority of Muslims, however unpleasant they might be. They should be ignored and not given the oxygen of publicity, seen as the joke they deserve to be seen as if at all. By spilling them all over the media, the threat they carry and support they have from ordinary Muslims become massively exaggerated. The media really, really irritate me by doing this.

[purpleronnie]

Well thats a good question. But again its a little vague. They aren't actually inciting violence just protesting, if some EDL moron turns violent then i would blame the EDL not the protesters.

[Fosse Boy]

If these cretins could all just join forces with the EDL and collectively fuck themselves off a huge cliff, that'd be just great.

[Benji]

makes you laugh really, if they had any balls they'd be out there actually "fighting the cause"

instead they choose to cower behind our rights to freedom of speech

(please spare me any PC replies, I wont read it)

that said, only a small minority, typical DM story

[ousefox]

Disgusting behaviour. However, what i can't stand are all these people writing on Facebook as if it is all Muslims who are like this.

[Guest Mee-9]

Disgusting behaviour. However, what i can't stand are all these people writing on Facebook as if it is all Muslims who are like this.

I agree mate.

I saw a racist debate on facebook earlier. Funny as, the highlight was a lad with 'UAF' in his Facebook name saying, 'All muslims should blah blah,and defending the EDL.' The persons profile it was on isn't even a muslim, she's hindu.

[Wymsey]

From the some of the students behaviour yesterday to this, i think this country has now got a bad reputation of unhappiness

[purpleronnie]

Compared to which countries?, believe me these 'incidents' go on everywhere and are often much more violent.

[dave the caveman]

I think this is disgusting and offensive, and that anybody involved in it is an absolute weapon, but I also get the feeling that is being somewhat over-hyped. By publicising an incredibly small and insignificant rabble of cranks, the media has once again played right into the hands of the far-right and extremist Muslims who want to cause ructions in society left, right and centre. Make no mistake, most Muslims see these idiots for what they are, racist, bigoted idiots who should be ignored at any given opportunity. It's a tiny and unrepresentative minority of Muslims, however unpleasant they might be. They should be ignored and not given the oxygen of publicity, seen as the joke they deserve to be seen as if at all. By spilling them all over the media, the threat they carry and support they have from ordinary Muslims become massively exaggerated. The media really, really irritate me by doing this.

That's the daily mail for you. A disgraceful newspaper. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if they set this up just to get a story.

[Houdini Logic]

Typical Daily Mail - it's no worse (and that's not me saying it's not bad) than what a number of Scottish and Irish catholics have done

[Asha]

The timing of such a protest is obviously despicable and inconsiderate, but didn't our country play a key role in invading theirs based on a lie, leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, some of whom may have been of those who are 'protesting' by burning the poppies?

Not sure why the protest group are 'attacking' the soldiers themselves, but I think they have every right to be pissed off with British army.

[BoneDog]

The wrong day (or method/place) to protest about this stuff really. It isn't going to help their cause any.

It's like 'anarchists' running through town smashing up a few McDonalds and stopping traffic in the city and stopping people from going to work or wherever they're going. It helps no-one or no cause and makes you look like a bit stupid tbh.

That said, I haven't actually seen any news from this protest yet so don't really know what happened.

[J.Lisemore]

Disgusting people.

[Flynny]

Disgusting, but the people who died in those wars died to protect this kind of freedom, and so long as they break no laws, we have to respect that through gritted teeth.

Having said that, if these guys have relatives in countries that we've indiscriminately bombed, then I'd be sympathetic without going so far as agreeing with them. Freedom of speech stops suffocating groupthink and it strikes me that this should remind us that there are two sides to every war, even if the people protesting probably are twats. It was only the other day that a group of veterans said that the day has become a celebration of current wars rather than a striking look at wars futility grasped through the horror of tens of millions of people left lying dead all over Europe.

We honour their memory best by keeping up these standards, not embarking on witch-hunts.

[broughtonblue]

have to agree with the majority of posts on here and say it is absolutely disgusting, but in a democratic society they have their right to their opinions (however wrong they may seem)

this demonstration was extreme, but are we more offended by it because of their appearance? is what they did any worse then the 'white' celtic fans displaying their anti-poppy banners in the other thread similar to this? 'celtics green brigade' in general football and sport

[Dr The Singh]

have to agree with the majority of posts on here and say it is absolutely disgusting, but in a democratic society they have their right to their opinions (however wrong they may seem)

this demonstration was extreme, but are we more offended by it because of their appearance? is what they did any worse then the 'white' celtic fans displaying their anti-poppy banners in the other thread similar to this? 'celtics green brigade' in general football and sport

Agreed, to a certain extent, the visual aspect leads to a massive difference over the white celts. For one these guys are wearing clothing that is not of western attire, it visually represents itself as being alien and foriegn, this causes those to view to treat them naturally as outsiders. But those that are wearing it, have made a decision to adopt a middle eastern type of dress...this maybe constrioud as being a rejection of western values or a lack of integration. They are also holding islamic banners and flags, this can be seen also as being rejection of western values.

Giving the fact that there are radical groups in britain, that wish for islamisation of britain, it's no wonder there is a more vivid reaction against these individuals. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is!!!

Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone protesting in peace, for whatever reason. But, accusing British soldiers of murder is simply a falls donation, it should be the government which sent them to these wars that they should have a problem with!!

[Babylon]

Bit of a laugh really considering it happened on the same day that someone got prosecuted, fined, a criminal record and charged court costs for saying something on twitter.

"Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!" A bit of background, the airport was closed due to snow and the guy just wanted to go and see his girlfriend in Ireland.

So he's not got a criminal record and fired from his job for that. Anyone with a jot of sense can clearly see that it was a joke, even if you don't find it remotely funny you could most probably see it was an attempt at humour.

Freedom of speech my arse!!!!

[Zingari]

Bit of a laugh really considering it happened on the same day that someone got prosecuted, fined, a criminal record and charged court costs for saying something on twitter.

"Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!" A bit of background, the airport was closed due to snow and the guy just wanted to go and see his girlfriend in Ireland.

So he's not got a criminal record and fired from his job for that. Anyone with a jot of sense can clearly see that it was a joke, even if you don't find it remotely funny you could most probably see it was an attempt at humour.

Freedom of speech my arse!!!!

Yes , but you must remember that Islam is a "religion " and as such is above any criticism .

If you hide behind a religion and it's ridiculous teachings, you can basically say what you want , and no one can touch you , because that would be inciting religious hatred

[Dr The Singh]

Bit of a laugh really considering it happened on the same day that someone got prosecuted, fined, a criminal record and charged court costs for saying something on twitter.

"Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!" A bit of background, the airport was closed due to snow and the guy just wanted to go and see his girlfriend in Ireland.

So he's not got a criminal record and fired from his job for that. Anyone with a jot of sense can clearly see that it was a joke, even if you don't find it remotely funny you could most probably see it was an attempt at humour.

Freedom of speech my arse!!!!

Well you do talk out of it alot!!!

I was watching a documentary on BBC 1 or 2 on Tueasday Night called

Rememberance: The Sikh Story, and it covered wide aspects of how this group of people, who are less then 1% of the Indian population, contributed so largely to both world wars, and gain honours and medals more then any of that subcontinent EVEN though they contributed to over 93% of all martyrs during British rule and suffered many massacres. Yet they still volunteered to fight, because they believed it was the right thing to do and today the poppy is a symbol of there courage and there sacrifices.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vys5t/Remembrance_The_Sikh_Story

[Jon the Hat]

Disgusting, but the people who died in those wars died to protect this kind of freedom, and so long as they break no laws, we have to respect that through gritted teeth.

Having said that, if these guys have relatives in countries that we've indiscriminately bombed, then I'd be sympathetic without going so far as agreeing with them. Freedom of speech stops suffocating groupthink and it strikes me that this should remind us that there are two sides to every war, even if the people protesting probably are twats. It was only the other day that a group of veterans said that the day has become a celebration of current wars rather than a striking look at wars futility grasped through the horror of tens of millions of people left lying dead all over Europe.

We honour their memory best by keeping up these standards, not embarking on witch-hunts.

Agreed - we should celebrate that freedom of protest, and that is part of what armistace day means to a lot of people. These people feel very strongly about an issue, and to be honest, as long as they are within the law, and legally in the country then they have exactly the same right to make their point as the rest of us do to hold a minutes silence. Whether you consider their point justified is a completely different argument, and one we are very lucky in world terms to be able to have, publicly.