So who messed up the silence?

[Mr B]

You and bleedin' Stenhousemuir Ben!

[ajthefox]

I wasn't there, but regardless of who started it/what happened it's a disgrace.

It makes us fans look like scum.

[Pegosteve]

Not difficult really keep quiet until referees whistle. No excuses lack of respect by whoever Leicester or Derby.

[Collymore]

I blame birch becaue he "wants it all to be about him" and the club for spending millions on new managers, players, staff, marketing campaigns etc... But they can't be arsed to tell the players the crack.

I also find our club obsessed by fooking horns and wind instruments ( and 90% of the time they sound like shit) why not just simplify it and blow a whistle with clear instructions in English over the tannoy rather than having the birch speak his dribble. It seems he over complicates a simple anual event to boost his ego.

[Ashley]

I've just watched the video I recorded of the last post and minutes silence. You can hear that Derby fans actually start to make noise/sing... Then Leicester fans started making noise/sing.. Few remarks go backwards and fourth it starts to settle down then you hear someone say "sheep shagging wankers" or something along them lines and it starts up again.

Will upload the video if anybody wants to see it.

[fleckneymike]

I've just watched the video I recorded of the last post and minutes silence. You can hear that Derby fans actually start to make noise/sing... Then Leicester fans started making noise/sing.. Few remarks go backwards and fourth it starts to settle down then you hear someone say "sheep shagging wankers" or something along them lines and it starts up again.

Will upload the video if anybody wants to see it.

No one wants to see such an unedifying spectacle.

Its not a case of who started it, its more a case of why get involved?

[scinnell]

Upload it mate.

[Ashley]

No one wants to see such an unedifying spectacle.

Its not a case of who started it, its more a case of why get involved?

I didn't mean it in that way, I was going to upload it for the confusion because it shows the players breaking off and thinking it was over too.

[fleckneymike]

I didn't mean it in that way, I was going to upload it for the confusion because it shows the players breaking off and thinking it was over too.

I think two did because of all the singing. Abe was one of them and his actions are the only understandable ones as they don't observe remembrance day in Japan.

Regardless of that I don't see what uploading it will achieve.

[scinnell]

I want to be able to see who started it and stuff to straighten things out in my head.

[rabbid]

cvnts

[MC Prussian]

From my own memory, it was our own little smartarse bunch in L1 who started to interrupt the silence first.

Then Derby fans.

Then us.

Then some more Derby fans.

Then some more of us.

All in all pretty pathetic behaviour by both sets of fans.

And there's not a lot of excuses for this - the message about the pre-match procedure was repeated over the speakers several times before the match.

Some of the twats in the upper parts of L1 are just unbelievably thick.

[milan_foxes]

It was fooking horrific in N1.

As L1 and the left side of the Derby fans argued, the rest of the Derby lot tried to get involved which ment City fans in N1 told the Derby fans to shut the fook up. and then as it all went quiet, some **** of a Leicester fan went "Fooking Sheep Shaggers!"

Im really ashamed of both sets of fans that carried the noise on though.

[haraven]

No one wants to be idiots on rememberance day, at least I assume they are not, and from reading all these posts this clearly is a big misunderstanding perfectly carried out by a speaker who does not have the communications skills of Barack Obama, but more like George Bush. IE - it is bound to be misunderstood. Forget about it - and go on.

[fleckneymike]

No one wants to be idiots on rememberance day, at least I assume they are not, and from reading all these posts this clearly is a big misunderstanding perfectly carried out by a speaker who does not have the communications skills of Barack Obama, but more like George Bush. IE - it is bound to be misunderstood. Forget about it - and go on.

[fleckneymike]

No one wants to be idiots on rememberance day, at least I assume they are not, and from reading all these posts this clearly is a big misunderstanding perfectly carried out by a speaker who does not have the communications skills of Barack Obama, but more like George Bush. IE - it is bound to be misunderstood. Forget about it - and go on.

If it was a communication issue how come it only affected one corner? Perhaps it was an idiot issue. Stop excusing their actions as a misunderstanding. As I've posted many times, for 91 years people have known that after the last post is played you observe a minutes silence. You don't start singing Leicester, Leicester, Leicester ... You dont clap, you don't make baaing noises, you don't shout out expletives you stand in silence out of respect for all those who have lost their lives serving in the armed forces.

It's not difficult, I'll repeat myself here it's been the same for 91 years so it shouldn't have come as an unexpected surprise for anyone. Anyone who claims it did is either an idiot or ignorant.

[Kitchandro]

Right, I've just got in, and I can't be arsed to read four pages. I was right amongst our lot next to the Derby fans so let me just clear this up:

The remembrance tune was played by the PHG bloke. Now in fairness I remembered right at the end of him playing that there is usually supposed to be a minute silence, having remembered previous rememberance weekend games. Now I don't know whether it was just due to being in a particularly atmospheric area of the ground (it probably was) or turning up 5 minutes before kick off (which many others would have done) but I was not aware of any information on the minute silence before the horn was played. That is why I say, I realised that there would be a minute silence from memory only. Also bare in mind that it was not actually rememberance day today, which may have confused some people, as the 2 minute silence is on rememberance day.

Now don't try and tell me that the Leicester fans in L and K block have no respect for the brave deceased. (Like I said, I haven't read the comments so I'm not accusing anyone of saying so). It was very obvious that several Leicester fans DID NOT REALISE that there was supposed to be a minute silence after the horn. Now you can put that down to confusion, stupidity or even drunkenness if you like, but not disrespect. After about 10 seconds of singing other Leicester fans had got there message across, and those singing realised that they should be quiet. The Leicester fans then became silent.

But I'm sorry, the real trouble and embarrassment was from the Derby fans. They just wouldn't let it go. Once everyone fell silent, you'd just expect everyone to just honour the silence. But no. A number of Derby fans continued to ruin it by shouting 'you've got no respect', 'shut the fook up', and 'you're a fooking disgrace'. It wasn't just 5 seconds, it was continuous abuse. Eventually, some Leicester fans reacted to them and told them to shut up.

By this time, the minute silence was an absolute embarrassment. Whilst I think the Leicester fans made an honest mistake, the Derby fans were an utter disgrace and it was their reaction that was really disrespectful - they WERE AWARE that they were supposed to be silent. And before you say people should no better - well frankly rememberance day is only once a year, not once a week, and not everyone goes to a football match and remembers that you have a silence there too. If they were not at the match they would have just had the 2 minute silence on Thursday, not today. Like I keep saying, it was a mistake, people forget things sometimes, it wasn't meant to be disrespectful from our fans, they just forgot. Shame the Derby fans couldn't just let the mistake go.

All in all it was a complete shambles, disgrace and embarrassment of a minute silence, but I blame those dirty sheep shagging scumbags. On a positive note, I think the whole incident fuelled a few tempers and it made the atmosphere in the game all the better.

fooking glad we wiped the floor with those dirty C U N T S!

[Kitchandro]

There was no need for it. The PA announcer quite clearly stated that the Last Post would be played, the referee would then blow his whistle to signal the start of the silence.

A real shame that the minute wasn't observed silently.

Yes but those sitting in L or K block can't always hear the PA. The PA is absolute shit, and the atmosphere is loud. I was sitting in there and with the atmosphere and the excitement of the occassion I can tell you that it didn't dawn on me that there would be a silence. I did not hear the PA and frankly, was not sure even when the horn was being played if there was a silence as well. The 2 minute silence is usually on the 11th at 11, which is when I was silent. The last rememberance game I went to was about 3 years ago. I only realised at the last second that there was going to be a silence as well as the tune being played. So I can understand why some people forgot.

It was an honest mistake from our fans.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

I find it deeply amusing that this could be hijacked by self-righteous 'holier-than-thou' types as an excuse not only to pontificate to the people who (according to their allegations) could not follow simple instructions, but to tell those who genuinely did not know the remembrance day agenda that they were being deliberately disrespectful to war veterans and dead soldiers.

This has happened for as long as I can remember: Every year, a solitary command to adhere to a list of instructions is supposed to be enough to usher 26,000 fans into complete silence. If you are in the middle of several thousand people chanting at the top of their voices, it is nearly impossible to hear the announcements, least of all a list of instructions on how to observe remembrance.

Others have already pointed out - a minute's applause would solve this problem every year, but instead we keep insisting on repeating this blunder of declaring a minute's silence long before it is due to occur, which can only result in confusion and as a result anger from both sets of fans.

[Guest DavidJCW]

I was there rather late yet still heard every instruction, followed them down to the tee and showed my respect.

Anyone there who couldn't or didn't ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[Kitchandro]

I was there rather late yet still heard every instruction, followed them down to the tee and showed my respect.

Anyone there who couldn't or didn't ought to be ashamed of themselves.

So you heard the instructions yet those who didn't should be ashamed of themselves? For what exactly?

Where do you sit?

Everyone makes mistakes you know, don't think just because it's rememberance week you can tell people that they should be ashamed of themselves because of mistakes. They aint gonna do it on purpose are they.

[Haydos]

Not being at the match, I'm gonna get shot down for this, but this thread seems to have blown completely out of proportion. End of.

According to fans at the game, it appears to have been a massive cock up between club and fans and no real disrespect so why can't we leave it at that and get on with more relevant issues. If it was a bunch of twats then everyone knows the score, queue deserved abuse.

But until then let's stop being fooking stupid and let normal service resume. Only the odd knob fooks things up for us so lets get back on topic, yeah?

*Apologies if anyone does feel there is a more pressing issue here.

[reynard]

People can try and make all the excuses they want. The simple fact is that the morons who continued to break the silence when that was obvious what was taking place are not only shameful idiots but an embarrasment to themselves and to both clubs.

I don't care whether or not they heard the instructions the fact that after the last post everyone remained standing and that around 20000 people were stood in silence might have been enough to indicate what was going on.

For those who say nobody died etc etc get over it etc I say why should we? My grandfather and both great uncles fought in the first world war, one dying less than a month from the end, both my uncles served in the second world war, and when you stand in front of a white cross in a military cemetery with your relatives name on it and look around at the enormity of it all you fully realise that standing in silence for an odd minute every now and then is not too much to ask. Perhaps these idiots who couldn't keep quiet should take a trip to France and visit these cemeteries and see how many of those who died were really little more than kids. There wouldn't have been many people there yesterday whose family in one war or another was not affected by loss/injuries or have survivors and perhaps they should think of them a bit more at this time of year.

An embarrasment all round!

[ThorpeAstleyFox]

This whole issued stemmed from poor communication. I heard, understood and carried out the instructions over the PA to the letter - however upon hearing the instructions I also knew that some fans would not have understood them either because they were drunk, did not hear them or did not understand them (or all 3).

I agree that The Last Post is followed by a minutes silence. If at the end of The Last Post Paul (the bugle player), the players, the officials and anyone involved with the club bowed their head in silence then I'm sure that everyone would have understood what was happening.

The problem arose with the Referee blowing his whistle at the end of The Last Post. Of course I was expecting this as I had heard and understood the instructions but I can understand how some fans would have thought "I've bowed my head in silence for about a minute (i.e. during The Last Post) and now the referee has blown his whistle - game on!!!" Some of the players also had this reaction because they were busy preparing for the game and as such did not listen to the instructions - like many fans.

What happened once the crowd were once again silent was totally inexcusable however in a crowd of 26,000 there are always going to be some idiots. These people will not feel that they have been disrespectful or that they have done anything wrong. I also seriously doubt that they frequent these boards which leaves thos of us with a working moral compass debating it amongst ourselves.

[Asha]

From many a remembrance service in my time I knew what to do, of course, but how can you EXPECT many others to when they didn't hear any instructions?

The main reason none of us heard the 'instructions' is because we were busy chanting and making an atmosphere at the time they were apparently given.

As pretty much nowhere else in the ground does that, of course you all heard the Birch clear and crisp amidst your usual silence. Obviously if we had heard them originally, we'd have been quiet as fook. But I agree, on realising the mistake, both sides didn't let it go and started calling each other on it, which was completely unnecessary.