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Guest Bilo Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Yes I do. Even mediocre Premier League players can now draw in £50k plus a week and that's scandalous in anyone's language with lower league clubs going into administration for the sake of four weeks wages for a Manchester City benchwarmer. But I also back the 51% Rule in Germany and safe standing areas being applied here, unfortunately the Premier League would never allow any of them to happen.
Finnegan Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Yes. But it would need to be a FIFA law. The FA will never do it if they think the top players will just go where the pay is. Look at rugby.
FoxyPV Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Yes - it's an obscene amount money to earn and then have bonuses on top. Make the vast majority of pay performance related as even with a pay cap most palyers will far more than your average joe
Daggers Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 No - it's a fooked idea which owners would get around by making payments from companies abroad into overseas bank accounts. I favour: * wage restraint in combination with a limit on ticket prices * a limit on televised matches, the abolition of playing on Sunday and Monday except for Boxing Days * the barring of foreign nationals owning shares in clubs * the abolition of agents * making it illegal for a player to wear over 3 grams of gold or purchase a car with excess of 85bhp * compulsory terracing * making programes out of thin paper and 3-colour matt inks * shirts to be made of cotton again * boots to be either black or natural leather brown * tackling to be reintroduced to the game * a limit of two non-UK passport holders in any squad * allowing smoking in the ground again (but only in wooden stands containing large petrol stores) * rattles, pennants and rosettes * mullets for all players except for those opting for perm/tache elegance Football isn't a business - it's our game and I fvcking want it back.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 No - it's a fooked idea which owners would get around by making payments from companies abroad into overseas bank accounts. I favour: * wage restraint in combination with a limit on ticket prices * a limit on televised matches, the abolition of playing on Sunday and Monday except for Boxing Days * the barring of foreign nationals owning shares in clubs * the abolition of agents * making it illegal for a player to wear over 3 grams of gold or purchase a car with excess of 85bhp * compulsory terracing * making programes out of thin paper and 3-colour matt inks * shirts to be made of cotton again * boots to be either black or natural leather brown * tackling to be reintroduced to the game * a limit of two non-UK passport holders in any squad * allowing smoking in the ground again (but only in wooden stands containing large petrol stores) * rattles, pennants and rosettes * mullets for all players except for those opting for perm/tache elegance Football isn't a business - it's our game and I fvcking want it back. LIke when this guy plays?
The Doctor Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 of course they should, have to be worldwide though. I reckon that if wages are reduced then transfer fees will go down because clubs have less money to make back/need less to make a profit on the player and so we either lose some of the reliance on the money men or we lose some of the commercialness (is that a word?) of modern football, and either way thats an improvement. oh and bilo it's the 50+1 rule not the 51% rule. Basically 50% of the team + 1 extra share must remain the possession of the club that originally created the team.
Bryn Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 No, by all means continue to give them high wages, the higher the better. Couple this with locking down all routes of tax evasion and it's all money for the coffers - Yaya Toure's wages, properly taxed, would be £6m of Arab money going straight into the British purse.
sdb Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 deffo the wage cap is the way forward. even if it's 40/50k, the players are still stinking rich, but more clubs can compete and less will go under (rules regarding spending (linked to profits) and minimum no's of homegrown players should also be implemented)
Webbo Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 As far as I know this would be illegal under European law, and quite rightly so. Who has the right to say how much is too much? Could we apply the same rule to film stars, novelists, artists or musicians? Of course not. The only people qualified to decide how much is the right amount is the employer, if they overpay then they or their company will suffer the consequence.
davieG Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 As far as I know this would be illegal under European law, and quite rightly so. Who has the right to say how much is too much? Could we apply the same rule to film stars, novelists, artists or musicians? Of course not. The only people qualified to decide how much is the right amount is the employer, if they overpay then they or their company will suffer the consequence. But it could be achieved by budget control/restraints based on business income/turnover/profits, making clubs operate within their natural means. Doesn't this happen in Rugby?
Finnegan Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 As far as I know this would be illegal under European law Er, obviously not? For the second time, "look at rugby." It'd be incredibly easy to get around by setting it as a team cap and not an individual cap, which is the important part. You're trying to protect teams from their own greed and desperation, not limit the earnings of the individual.
broughtonblue Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 LIke when this guy plays? Best comic ever, that pic brought back memories! £50k a week = 2.5mill a year. Surely enough for anyone?
samjohnson Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Yes. It would bring down ticket prices (hopefully). But I feel that you would be seeing the likes of Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba on TV adverts for washing-up liquid and Tescos alot more. Greedy bastards...
Benji Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Yes. But it would need to be a FIFA law. The FA will never do it if they think the top players will just go where the pay is. Look at rugby. Basically this. If it was imposed on football as a whole then yes great. But we can't just do it to the english game, we'll suffer horrendously and the league will never compete with the other big leagues in europe. I don't really know much about the finances of rugby and the ins and outs of the wage cap we have, but I'm pretty sure there's a reason why everyone has jumped ship to play in France. From what I'm told everyday by a Bath fan our teams just cannot now compete with the likes of Toulouse? It'd also have to be a team wage cap. Capping salaries individually would just mean every player demanding that top amount.
Finnegan Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 With the greatest respect to Fosse Boy, JME and Andy, it's a bit of a shame that some people have become irritated enough with their pro-German rantings that an entire section of this forum rolls their eyes when any of them mention the Bundesliga. Because, in all fairness, German football is a brilliant model for a good integration with both the modern game and the sort of 'roots' Daggers is (probably rightly) bemoaning the loss of.
Father Ted Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 No - it's a fooked idea which owners would get around by making payments from companies abroad into overseas bank accounts. I favour: * wage restraint in combination with a limit on ticket prices * a limit on televised matches, the abolition of playing on Sunday and Monday except for Boxing Days* the barring of foreign nationals owning shares in clubs * the abolition of agents* *making it illegal for a player to wear over 3 grams of gold or purchase a car with excess of 85bhp * compulsory terracing* making programes out of thin paper and 3-colour matt inks * shirts to be made of cotton again * boots to be either black or natural leather brown * tackling to be reintroduced to the game FOOKING YES! * a limit of two non-UK passport holders in any squad * allowing smoking in the ground again (but only in wooden stands containing large petrol stores) * rattles, pennants and rosettes * mullets for all players except for those opting for perm/tache elegance Football isn't a business - it's our game and I fvcking want it back. YES YES YES!
Webbo Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Er, obviously not? For the second time, "look at rugby." It'd be incredibly easy to get around by setting it as a team cap and not an individual cap, which is the important part. You're trying to protect teams from their own greed and desperation, not limit the earnings of the individual. A team cap is different to an individual cap. If we're talking about that, as Daggers said there are ways around it. If it was enforceable it would mean ManUre could pay better wages than everybody else and have the pick of any player. It would make the league even more predictable than it is already.
BoneDog Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Damn right I support a wage cap! 5 grand a week would be the limit if I was the rule maker and that amount would only be for the very best. 5k a week is more than enough for anyone, I don't care what job you do and I don't care how much you think you're worth. If they spent their weeks wage of 5 grand in 4 days like alot of us do I'm sure they'd survive cos I'd give them another 5000 pound coins the following Friday. And the following Friday, and so on. And if they didn't like only earning 5000 a week I'd say "f*&k off and be an assistant maintenance engineer then". But that isn't gonna happen so whatever.
Finnegan Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 A team cap is different to an individual cap. If we're talking about that, as Daggers said there are ways around it. If it was enforceable it would mean ManUre could pay better wages than everybody else and have the pick of any player. It would make the league even more predictable than it is already. Are you really going to make me point out, for the third time, the fact that this is a system that is in operation and works in rugby already? Stop arguing whether or not it is possible, it is possible, end-of. Whether it is practical is another matter entirely.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Has to happen eventually. Top Players could form a union and go on strike for a bit but they would soon fold when they realised there were thousands of young players ready to step in and fill their shoes who would be absolutely delighted by wages of say 50k a week for playing football. Plus public opinion would be so much in favour of the move that it couldn't really fail in the long run. People who don't even like or follow football still moan about the ridiculous wages and even ex pros generally think pay is too high (sour grapes but still). Obviously there would have to be a mechanism to take into account inflation and other macro-economic considerations rather than simply an arbitrary limit or you would eventually end up with a situation where part time windshield cleaners were earning more than footballers and I think we can all agree that would be a step too far.
Bert Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 I wondered how long it'd take for german football to get mentioned. Two fooking posts.
Webbo Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Are you really going to make me point out, for the third time, the fact that this is a system that is in operation and works in rugby already? Stop arguing whether or not it is possible, it is possible, end-of. Whether it is practical is another matter entirely. All I said was that there were ways around it. I really don't understand your point.
Sly Posted 24 November 2010 Posted 24 November 2010 Sadly, football is a business and as such, my answer to the question is you can pay them as much as you want.
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