Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 So Steven Davies the England wicketkeeper has publicly come out as homosexual. He said his motive was to pave the way for acceptance of homosexual sports stars. No doubt I'm going to be called names as usual, but if I was in that dressing room I would not feel comfortable, showering, changing etc etc with a gay man present checking out my package etc. I've got no real axe to grind with homosexuals, but it's like having a bird in the team changing in the same room etc etc surely? Thoughts?
Finnegan Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 I love the way you say "no doubt I'm going to be called names as usual" as if you SHOULDN'T be embarrassed at being a complete fucking caveman. I've always found the arrogance of statements like that hilarious. What, just because he's gay he's desperate enough to be perving on you is he? So every woman that ever sees you with your shirt off instantly jumps on you and starts touching you up? You fucking wish, son. Jesus. It's a sexual preference is all, it does't make him a bloody rapist.
SMX11 Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 I guess he wanted it off his chest, so he can concentrate on his cricket. I really don't have a problem with changing/showering if there was gay man/men in one of the teams I was playing in. Infact there is a gay person that I do play cricket and the only thing a dislike about him is that he is a dirty Leeds fan
Fox You Forest Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 I would not feel comfortable, showering, changing etc etc with a gay man present checking out my package etc. Yes, you and the other fifteen straight cricketers in the shower should feel intimidated by the one big bad gay man in the corner.
Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Author Posted 28 February 2011 I love the way you say "no doubt I'm going to be called names as usual" as if you SHOULDN'T be embarrassed at being a complete fucking caveman. I've always found the arrogance of statements like that hilarious. What, just because he's gay he's desperate enough to be perving on you is he? So every woman that ever sees you with your shirt off instantly jumps on you and starts touching you up? You fucking wish, son. Jesus. It's a sexual preference is all, it does't make him a bloody rapist. If you were in a changing room with 15 naked women are you telling me your would be completely oblivious to all the tits arse and fanny? Righty ho!
martyn Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 You have essentially paraphrased "I don't feel comfortable around homosexuals". Do you think gay guys are only interested in checking out someones length in a changing room? What is the difference between a dressing room and a social environment, for instance other than a completely irrational fear that you are going to be hit upon in some state of undress? What makes this even more ridiculous is that in a male team sport, Steven Davies is going to be acutely aware about attitudes such as your own and any perceived impact his revelation would have amongst his teammates.
Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Author Posted 28 February 2011 You have essentially paraphrased "I don't feel comfortable around homosexuals". Do you think gay guys are only interested in checking out someones length in a changing room? What is the difference between a dressing room and a social environment, for instance other than a completely irrational fear that you are going to be hit upon in some state of undress? What makes this even more ridiculous is that in a male team sport, Steven Davies is going to be acutely aware about attitudes such as your own and any perceived impact his revelation would have amongst his teammates. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable undressing in front of a homosexual yes you are right. Just like I wouldn't be in front of a woman or group of women. I worked in a place in my late teens in central London where two homosexuals I used to work with would sit and mark blokes "packets" out of 10 and pinch your arse on the stairs. They did it to me once, the headbutt he got in reply probably got the right message across!
FoxyPV Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Fair ****s to him. It's a pity more gay atheltes don't come out. Mack - just because you're a bloke doesn't mean he'll fancy you and don't tell me you've never sat and rated women as they walked past. It's just the shoe being on the other foot and showing you how sexually objectified women are in our culutre. It's also good to know that when someone has a bit of a laugh with you you stick the head in them.
martyn Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable undressing in front of a homosexual yes you are right. Just like I wouldn't be in front of a woman or group of women. I worked in a place in my late teens in central London where two homosexuals I used to work with would sit and mark blokes "packets" out of 10 and pinch your arse on the stairs. They did it to me once, the headbutt he got in reply probably got the right message across! How is this relevant to your initial "point" about feeling comfortable in a changing room? Indeed with the example you've given, you've gone on to solidify what I said about the differences between the company of a gay bloke in a social situation, or a dressing room situation (i.e. there isn't one save for the number of clothes presumably being worn). That simplifies to a complete irrationality about something happening to you in the changing room, which, for the reasons I outlined in my original post, is ridiculous.
Finnegan Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 If you were in a changing room with 15 naked women are you telling me your would be completely oblivious to all the tits arse and fanny? Righty ho! I'd probably feel more awkward than they would, I imagine. I'm no prude by any stretch of the imagination but the idea of being branded some pervert for staring straight at my team mate's box would probably be more alarming to me than the reality to them, which is that I'd probably be desperately looking anywhere except at anyone else.
Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Author Posted 28 February 2011 Fair ****s to him. It's a pity more gay atheltes don't come out. Mack - just because you're a bloke doesn't mean he'll fancy you and don't tell me you've never sat and rated women as they walked past. It's just the shoe being on the other foot and showing you how sexually objectified women are in our culutre. It's also good to know that when someone has a bit of a laugh with you you stick the head in them. Now hold on. If I pinched a female colleagues arse on the stairs I would be up on a sexual harassment charge. Yet when a gay man does it then it's only a laugh? Are you sure fella? When I am out and about my eyes are scanning for fit sorts non stop, it's natural, and that's my point. I dont expect to get naked with women in a changing room, and thus I dont want someone who is sexually attracted to men checking out my swede when I'm nipping in the shower to get clean. I said before I have nothing against gay people. But if we are going to have an 'open' culture then I suppose we also need to make the appropriate arrangements so no one feels uneasy. Sometimes this PC ding ding is all one sided.
Corky Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 The likelihood is that he won't be standing there openly staring at his team-mates nether regions and will try to be "one of the lads" so the fact that he is gay is no issue at all.
MikeyT Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 So Steven Davies the England wicketkeeper has publicly come out as homosexual. He said his motive was to pave the way for acceptance of homosexual sports stars. No doubt I'm going to be called names as usual, but if I was in that dressing room I would not feel comfortable, showering, changing etc etc with a gay man present checking out my package etc. I've got no real axe to grind with homosexuals, but it's like having a bird in the team changing in the same room etc etc surely? Thoughts? Just because he's gay doesn't mean he'd check out your "package" or even fancy you. He might think you were a minger.
StanSP Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Are you suggesting that gay/lesbians should have separate changing rooms (re: appropriate arrangements). That would just segregate them and anger them even more, no? If you feel uneasy, the problem is with yourself, not the problem of the homosexual.
Samilktray Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Looks like someones trapped in the closet to me.
MikeyT Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Are you suggesting that gay/lesbians should have separate changing rooms (re: appropriate arrangements). That would just segregate them and anger them even more, no? If you feel uneasy, the problem is with yourself, not the problem of the homosexual. Well said.
purpleronnie Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Fair play to the bloke took a lot of guts to do that.
Steven Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable undressing in front of a homosexual yes you are right. Let yourself be guided by your penis in this matter.
Steven Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 If you were in a changing room with 15 naked women are you telling me your would be completely oblivious to all the tits arse and fanny? Righty ho! Let yourself be guided by your penis in this matter. Are you asexual?
Nick Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Now hold on. If I pinched a female colleagues arse on the stairs I would be up on a sexual harassment charge. Yet when a gay man does it then it's only a laugh? Are you sure fella? When I am out and about my eyes are scanning for fit sorts non stop, it's natural, and that's my point. I dont expect to get naked with women in a changing room, and thus I dont want someone who is sexually attracted to men checking out my swede when I'm nipping in the shower to get clean. I said before I have nothing against gay people. But if we are going to have an 'open' culture then I suppose we also need to make the appropriate arrangements so no one feels uneasy. Sometimes this PC ding ding is all one sided. That's right Mack because if a female colleague touched your bottom, you would be in your managers office calling for a sexual harassment charge right? Or would you just laugh and think it a compliment (or just a weird person who has trouble relating to the opposite sex in an intimate fashion) as in actual fact you were not really threatened by it? Is it more to do with the balance of power, kinda like a black fella calling you a 'white honkey' (like this would happen but if it did) it wouldn't really hurt deep, would it now - because you've not been white and oppressed because of it, for the past 300 years. (with the exception of course, of Thracian) I understand that you have nothing against gay people, you just don't want anybody who might be gay near you. Or touching you. Or seeing you naked. Or even thinking about seeing you naked. You know if you went to Austria and had a sauna, everybody is naked. It's just that Brit's, especially the English are traditionally a bit prudish. So Steven doesn't offend the other players with his eyes or his erect member, maybe he should shower on his own or with the other gays....... we in fact maybe in sport should have different shower cubicles for all diversities.......... just to keep those butt clenching prejudicial prudes happy? Gosh I wonder when the cubicle for the ginger, welsh, one-armed, socialist - homosexuals is free, as I'm feeling quite threatened being looked at in this que of scared and threatened sportsmen with towels wrapped round them just praying they get home safely to their loved ones without somebody seeing their privates. *Nick gives Mack a soft warm hug and makes him feel secure and loved and protected from his fears.* Then tells him to pull himself together and realise that he is responsible for determining his own comfortability with his sexuality and that the choices of others are completely irrelevant to his mental well being, unless he is made subject to some kind of actual abuse.
Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Author Posted 28 February 2011 Just because he's gay doesn't mean he'd check out your "package" or even fancy you. He might think you were a minger. And on the other hand he may get a semi
vandamman Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Can I just say I think you'll find a lot of women don't find penis' attractive, what makes a gay attracted to one. That Davis guy is probably gonna be feeling uneasy in that particular situation too.
Mack Posted 28 February 2011 Author Posted 28 February 2011 That's right Mack because if a female colleague touched your bottom, you would be in your managers office calling for a sexual harassment charge right? Or would you just laugh and think it a compliment (or just a weird person who has trouble relating to the opposite sex in an intimate fashion) as in actual fact you were not really threatened by it? Is it more to do with the balance of power, kinda like a black fella calling you a 'white honkey' (like this would happen but if it did) it wouldn't really hurt deep, would it now - because you've not been white and oppressed because of it, for the past 300 years. (with the exception of course, of Thracian) I understand that you have nothing against gay people, you just don't want anybody who might be gay near you. Or touching you. Or seeing you naked. Or even thinking about seeing you naked. You know if you went to Austria and had a sauna, everybody is naked. It's just that Brit's, especially the English are traditionally a bit prudish. So Steven doesn't offend the other players with his eyes or his erect member, maybe he should shower on his own or with the other gays....... we in fact maybe in sport should have different shower cubicles for all diversities.......... just to keep those butt clenching prejudicial prudes happy? Gosh I wonder when the cubicle for the ginger, welsh, one-armed, socialist - homosexuals is free, as I'm feeling quite threatened being looked at in this que of scared and threatened sportsmen with towels wrapped round them just praying they get home safely to their loved ones without somebody seeing their privates. *Nick gives Mack a soft warm hug and makes him feel secure and loved and protected from his fears.* Then tells him to pull himself together and realise that he is responsible for determining his own comfortability with his sexuality and that the choices of others are completely irrelevant to his mental well being, unless he is made subject to some kind of actual abuse. I dont have any fears chap. I've worked with several gay people since, all really nice blokes and got on with them well, but it still wouldn't feel right undressing in front of them. I'm not sure if this PC World we live in has gone mad, or if I am a dinosaur, but it's the way I feel and believe it or not just like Davies has the right to be openly gay I have a right to feel uneasy undressing in front of a homosexual. If that makes me a **** so be it, end of for me. Feel free to continue to patronize etc.. I wont be reading.
Bert Posted 28 February 2011 Posted 28 February 2011 Thousands of people come out as gay. Why does everyone make such a big deal of it because it's a sports person? They should be judged on what they're paid to do, regardless of their sexuality. Sure, he'll get some banter/stick about it, but if he's big enough to come out, he's big enough to deal with whatever's going to be thrown at him.
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