bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Now that (it seems as if) Ambrusics has left the club (on trial with Oldham) - to follow Cisak, Pentney and many other 'promising' young goalkeepers out of the Walkers - and the continuing lack of obvious talents / abilities / strengths among the senior 'keepers (Weale, Ricardo and Logan), how do people rate Mike Stowell as a Coach and 'Talent Spotter' ? I don't know much about Ambrusics and the other Youth Team 'keepers (I haven't seen any of them), but I do know that the senior goalkeepers are pretty c**p and show no signs of being able to be competent at Championship level - let alone Premiership. Stowell has been there for a good few years and (in my opinion) has totally failed to find a decent senior 'keeper - or coach a young goalkeeper, to come through to the first team. What makes it more upsetting, is that the likes of Cisak (at Accrington) - and even Logan (at Brizzell Rovers) - are getting great reviews at the clubs they've gone to (and I bet it will be the same with Ambrusics). Do they find not having to listen to Stowell week in, week out, an advantage !? Does Sven listen to Stowell when it comes to choosing a first team 'keeper - if he does, Stowell's to blame; if he doesn't (as would appear to be the case with Ricardo staying in 'til last week), what is the point of having him as Goalkeeping Coach ?
StanSP Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Did Stowell shag your missus or something? Look at the league Ambrusics and Logan are playing in. Look at Weale last season in this league. Now take a good look at yourself in the mirror and slap yourself silly.
hackneyfox Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Some on Bentley's have been questioning Stowell for quite some time. Even Fulop started flapping towards the end of his spell with us/under Stowell.
Babylon Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Now that (it seems as if) Ambrusics has left the club (on trial with Oldham) - to follow Cisak, Pentney and many other 'promising' young goalkeepers out of the Walkers - and the continuing lack of obvious talents / abilities / strengths among the senior 'keepers (Weale, Ricardo and Logan), how do people rate Mike Stowell as a Coach and 'Talent Spotter' ? I don't know much about Ambrusics and the other Youth Team 'keepers (I haven't seen any of them), but I do know that the senior goalkeepers are pretty c**p and show no signs of being able to be competent at Championship level - let alone Premiership. Stowell has been there for a good few years and (in my opinion) has totally failed to find a decent senior 'keeper - or coach a young goalkeeper, to come through to the first team. What makes it more upsetting, is that the likes of Cisak (at Accrington) - and even Logan (at Brizzell Rovers) - are getting great reviews at the clubs they've gone to (and I bet it will be the same with Ambrusics). Do they find not having to listen to Stowell week in, week out, an advantage !? Does Sven listen to Stowell when it comes to choosing a first team 'keeper - if he does, Stowell's to blame; if he doesn't (as would appear to be the case with Ricardo staying in 'til last week), what is the point of having him as Goalkeeping Coach ? He does not sign the players, he does not scout for the players. The reason these keepers are getting "great reviews" (i'll take your word for that) is that they have found their level. How many youth players have we had come through in recent years? A handful at most and they are outfield players who can move about to different positions to get games. Keepers have one position and only one can play at a time so the chances of one of them coming through are even less. He might not be a great coach, but to blame all the above on him borders on the ludicrous.
LCFCMickey Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Did Stowell shag your missus or something? Look at the league Ambrusics and Logan are playing in. Look at Weale last season in this league. Now take a good look at yourself in the mirror and slap yourself silly.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 Did Stowell shag your missus or something? Look at the league Ambrusics and Logan are playing in. Look at Weale last season in this league. Now take a good look at yourself in the mirror and slap yourself silly. Weale - last season, was his first with Stowell as Coach - and I do believe he got steadily worse, as the season progressed (and Stowell's coaching 'took effect' !). He was definitely far 'dodgier' by the time of the play-offs, than he was at the start of that season - and he was NEVER a great 'keeper at any point (he was just OK). And how do you explain why he is so c**p now - and you can't blame the defence, most of the goals he lets in are from outside the 'box ?
ajthefox Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Doubts about him are understandable but you've taken it way too far. Most of the keepers we have had just haven't been up to standards. Weale saved our bacon no end last season and has been shaky this season but it's no surprise when you look at how unsettled we've been as a whole. And as for Ricardo, well, you can hardly blame Stowell for the inability of a 30 something european keeper to catch a cross.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 He does not sign the players, he does not scout for the players. The reason these keepers are getting "great reviews" (i'll take your word for that) is that they have found their level. How many youth players have we had come through in recent years? A handful at most and they are outfield players who can move about to different positions to get games. Keepers have one position and only one can play at a time so the chances of one of them coming through are even less. He might not be a great coach, but to blame all the above on him borders on the ludicrous. Are you sure ? I would have thought an important part of the Goalkeeping Coach's job is to scout for talent and advise on new signings. I agree with you about the likes of Logan and Cisak, "finding their level"; but, who's to say they won't progress to a better level, with better coaching ?
StanSP Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Weale - last season, was his first with Stowell as Coach - and I do believe he got steadily worse, as the season progressed (and Stowell's coaching 'took effect' !). He was definitely far 'dodgier' by the time of the play-offs, than he was at the start of that season - and he was NEVER a great 'keeper at any point (he was just OK). And how do you explain why he is so c**p now - and you can't blame the defence, most of the goals he lets in are from outside the 'box ? You can't solely blame the goal-keeper/coach for that though? Why didn't the defence/midfield close the shots down? Weale's been alright this season. The so-called lack of form this season was due to being shafted out and not playing regularly cos Sven decided to stick Ricardo in there when Weale was settled. The mould was broken needlessly.
Houdini Logic Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Are you sure ? I would have thought an important part of the Goalkeeping Coach's job is to scout for talent and advise on new signings. I agree with you about the likes of Logan and Cisak, "finding their level"; but, who's to say they won't progress to a better level, with better coaching ? Surely the clue is in the word Coach? I think he spends his time down the training ground working with the players he has rather than around the country/world trying to spot new talent
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 Doubts about him are understandable but you've taken it way too far. Most of the keepers we have had just haven't been up to standards. Weale saved our bacon no end last season and has been shaky this season but it's no surprise when you look at how unsettled we've been as a whole. And as for Ricardo, well, you can hardly blame Stowell for the inability of a 30 something european keeper to catch a cross. I agree with you about Ricardo - he's disastrous and you can't blame Stowell for such an experienced 'keeper being so rubbish with crosses - but don't forget he was on trial for a few weeks with us and I assume that Stowell would have been 'assessing' him. Did he say to Sven, "I think he's OK - give him a contract", in which case, he don't know jacks**t. Or did Sven sign him regardless, without consulting Stowell - in which case, why do we need a Goalkeeping Coach ?!
ajthefox Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 I agree with you about Ricardo - he's been disastrous and you can't blame Stowell entirely - but don't forget he was on trial for a few weeks with us and I assume that Stowell would have been 'assessing' him. Did he say to Sven, "I think he's OK - give him a contract", in which case, he don't know jacks**t. Or did Sven sign him regardless, without consulting the 'Goalkeeping Coach', in which case why do we need him ?! I think Stowell must have assessed him as you say but I imagine Sven was probably going to base his judgement on what he thought, not Stowell. Either way, saturday was Weale's first match and Weale was dropped after conceeding one against Barnsley after a stunning performance at sheff utd, so he obviously rates Ricardo.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 Surely the clue is in the word Coach? I think he spends his time down the training ground working with the players he has rather than around the country/world trying to spot new talent Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's his job to actually go around blindly scouting for talent; but, I do think it would be his job to go and have a look at a specific 'keeper recommended by a regional scout, to try and assess if he's got the skills / abilities / potential to be worth signing - and help make a decision whether to get him.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 I think Stowell must have assessed him as you say but I imagine Sven was probably going to base his judgement on what he thought, not Stowell. Either way, saturday was Weale's first match and Weale was dropped after conceeding one against Barnsley after a stunning performance at sheff utd, so he obviously rates Ricardo. Yes, I think you're right - it's Sven who makes 'all the calls' on this.
Babylon Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's his job to actually go around blindly scouting for talent; but, I do think it would be his job to go and have a look at a specific 'keeper, recommended by a regional scout, to try and assess if he's got the skills / abilities / potential to be worth signing - and help make a decision to get him. The facts are you don't have a scooby doo what his job is, if you don't know what their role entails then don't start threads slagging them off for something that in all probability has nothing to do with them.
Babylon Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 I agree with you about Ricardo - he's been disastrous On a quick count up... Ricardo let in 10 goals in 9 games. Weale has let in 14 goals in his last 9 games... and i've done him a favour not including the Man City games.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 Ricardo let in 10 goals in 9 games. Weale has let in 14 goals in his last 9 games... and i've done him a favour not including the Man City games. Yeah, exactly - they're BOTH rubbish ! Weale at least will be cheap enough (and young enough) to keep as a Reserve (the 'new Logan' !) - but get rid of Ricardo (and Stowell !) and sign a decent first choice 'keeper for next season. There's some good goalkeepers in our Division (as well as Westwood - but he's off to Celtic) and League 1 - but I bet Sven will either go abroad, or sign a Premiership reserve. As for the Goalkeeping Coach position, I think most comments here, would imply that we don't need one !?
StanSP Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Yeah, exactly - they're BOTH rubbish ! Weale at least will be cheap enough (and young enough) to keep as a Reserve (the 'new Logan' !) - but get rid of Ricardo (and Stowell !) and sign a decent first choice 'keeper for next season. There's some good goalkeepers in our Division and League 1 (as well as Westwood - who's off to Celtic) - but I bet Sven will either go abroad, or sign a Premiership reserve. As for the Goalkeeping Coach position, I think most comments here, would imply that we don't need one !? Most of YOUR comments. YOURS. Don't get what your problem is to be honest cos I don't think you are fully grasping what a coach does.
Bert Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 You can't solely blame the goal-keeper/coach for that though? Why didn't the defence/midfield close the shots down? Weale's been alright this season. The so-called lack of form this season was due to being shafted out and not playing regularly cos Sven decided to stick Ricardo in there when Weale was settled. The mould was broken needlessly. Er, I'm pretty sure you can. It's weale's job to save the shots. He's coached by Stowell, and no-one else. His positioning on free-kicks is awful, and that's down to Stowell. Weale's been a lot worse this season than last. But like you say, getting fooked about isn't going to help anything.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 The facts are you don't have a scooby doo what his job is, if you don't know what their role entails then don't start threads slagging them off for something that in all probability has nothing to do with them. I don't - I'm speculating (that's what Forums are for, I thought !?). If we KNEW, we wouldn't be wasting our time posting on Forums where poor, sad, vicarious / would-be football managers comment, we'd be managing Clubs and Coaching players. If anyone actually knows what Stowell does, please tell us - but I bet no one using this Forum can do that !
Ric Flair Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 I shudder when I see Mike Stowell's name, it reminds me of his comedy double act with Rob Kelly. He should never have been bought back and it's very easy to question his abilities as a coach.
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 Most of YOUR comments. YOURS. Don't get what your problem is to be honest cos I don't think you are fully grasping what a coach does. Thank you StanSP. I shouldn't have summarised others opinions. And I do really wish I knew what Stowell does !
Wymsey Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 It said on the matchday magazine earlier in the season that he was a goalkeeping coach, so i suppose he trains both Ricardo and Weale up and teaches them how to catch balls from a cross and how to distribute to other players effectively....
Trav Le Bleu Posted 7 April 2011 Posted 7 April 2011 Of course this is terrible because every other team in this league has BRILLIANT goalkeepers, all of which have been brought through their academy's and many more standing in the wings itching for the chance to prevent goal scorage! This is evident from the fact that almost all games in this league have ended 0-0. We need to be more like those teams (EVERY OTHER TEAM - ONES THAT AREN'T US!) and have mega-awesome shotstoppers both as our main keepers (3-4 preferably), plus many more in reserve. I was on Braunny Park the other day and there were loads of kids wanting to play between the jumpers, all of whom were better than both Weale and Ricardo (Though not Logan on a good day) and even I could recognise their qualities. Perhaps I should be goalkeeping coach, as it's clear I am already doing a better job!!!! I don't know who Mark Stewoll thinks he is, but he can go back where he came from when Mr Erikkson brought him here and ruined everything! Bring back Chalky White!
bald reynard Posted 7 April 2011 Author Posted 7 April 2011 It said on the matchday magazine earlier in the season that he was a goalkeeping coach, so i suppose he trains both Ricardo and Weale up and teaches them how to catch balls from a cross and how to distribute to other players effectively.... EXACTLY ! And I've just remembered something - wasn't Stowell in charge of the Ressies for their match with the Blades earlier in the week ? There you go - he's no longer Goalkeeping Coach; he's got the boot; he's swapped jobs with Didi Hamman - and Didi's the new Coach, trying to sort out Ricardo's and Weales' problems !
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