Stowell's abilities as Goalkeeping Coach / Scout ?

[Bert]

Of course this is terrible because every other team in this league has BRILLIANT goalkeepers, all of which have been brought through their academy's and many more standing in the wings itching for the chance to prevent goal scorage! This is evident from the fact that almost all games in this league have ended 0-0. We need to be more like those teams (EVERY OTHER TEAM - ONES THAT

AREN'T US!) and have mega-awesome shotstoppers both as our main keepers (3-4 preferably), plus many more in reserve.

I was on Braunny Park the other day and there were loads of kids wanting to play between the jumpers, all of whom were better than both Weale and Ricardo (Though not

Logan on a good day) and even I could recognise their qualities. Perhaps I should be goalkeeping coach, as it's clear I am already doing a better job!!!!

I don't know who Mark Stewoll thinks he is, but he can go back where he came from when Mr Erikkson brought

him here and ruined everything!

Bring back Chalky White!

For a start it's MIKE STOWELL. To finish, he's been here for a good few years now, as well as when Sven started.

[Wymsey]

Errr, why would Hamman be a goalkeeping coach for if he has no experience at all playing in that position in the past.....

[muzzy1981]

Very difficult to analyse a coaches abilities without being inside the club. Also tend to agree with whoever pointed out that Weale was great up until this season.

I do agree though about the lack of youth prospects breaking through, yes we all have hopes for Schlupp but shame there aren't many more on the fringes. Sign of the times at lots of clubs I guess. Hopefully Sven will use his influence to bring in some young prospects from other countries like other prem clubs do.

[Trav Le Bleu]

For a start it's MIKE STOWELL. To finish, he's been here for a good few years now, as well as when Sven started.

All I can say to you Bert is...

[Darkon84]

EXACTLY ! And I've just remembered something - wasn't Stowell in charge of the Ressies for their match with the Blades earlier in the week ? There you go - he's no longer Goalkeeping Coach; he's got the boot; he's swapped jobs with Didi Hamman - and Didi's the new Coach, trying to sort out Ricardo's and Weales' problems !

We arent involved in a reserves league this year so there is no full time reserves coach, im under the impression that most of the coaches have been at the arranged reserves games at some point this season. So does that mean all the coaches change jobs each week. Maybe Sven should be goalkeeping coach, or maybe thats not until next week? Iv not read all of your posts, because i got bored of reading shite over and over.

I dont want to get drawn in to an argument over this, but it had to be said, most of what you are saying is over the top and total balls.

[bald reynard]

Errr, why would Hamman be a goalkeeping coach for if he has no experience at all playing in that position in the past.....

Ha-ha-ha-ha ! Just a bit - you're not saying that seriously are you ?! No, you can't be - that is WICKED irony, man !

[bald reynard]

We arent involved in a reserves league this year so there is no full time reserves coach, im under the impression that most of the coaches have been at the arranged reserves games at some point this season. So does that mean all the coaches change jobs each week. Maybe Sven should be goalkeeping coach, or maybe thats not until next week? Iv not read all of your posts, because i got bored of reading shite over and over.

I dont want to get drawn in to an argument over this, but it had to be said, most of what you are saying is over the top and total balls.

Oh, another one, on whom my intended humour has been lost ! I think I'll get me coat !

[BrummieFOX]

Completely relevant question by the thread starter but one which I doubt anyone can answer with conviction and can only speculate about Stowell's coaching.

If he is that bad though, he won't be here long.

[Houdini Logic]

Of course this is terrible because every other team in this league has BRILLIANT goalkeepers

You do actually have a point here (despite the generally humorous rest of your post) - there have been plenty of times, particularly at away matches, where the goalkeepers have been so bad that the old 'dodgy keeper' chants come out - how often do teams sing that to us?! (though it may just be because I can't hear it over the abuse our own fans give the goalkeeper).

Both goalkeepers make the odd mistakes and could do certain things better but they are nowhere near as consistently bad as some of the cretins we have in this league. To blame the goalkeeping coach is getting a little desperate

[bald reynard]

Completely relevant question by the thread starter but one which I doubt anyone can answer with conviction and can only speculate about Stowell's coaching.

If he is that bad though, he won't be here long.

THANK YOU !

Seriously, I have got my coat and I'm out of here. I'm just glad that the many posters on this subject have entered into the spirit of things so well and we have had such a good discussion on the merits of Mike Stowell !

[Babylon]

I don't - I'm speculating (that's what Forums are for, I thought !?). If we KNEW, we wouldn't be wasting our time posting on Forums where poor, sad, vicarious / would-be football managers comment, we'd be managing Clubs and Coaching players. If anyone actually knows what Stowell does, please tell us - but I bet no one using this Forum can do that !

Football forums are for slating someone about what is in most probably not even their job? When you don't have the slightest scrap of evidence? Obviously you use forums for a completely different reason than me then.

[MPH]

Is this a serious thread?

The OP poster questions Stowells ability and then talks about the rave reviews the young keepers are getting out on loan.... so you admit they are good keepers then? they didnt become good overnight, you know.... I hate to break it to you, but you can only play one keeper in a game... if you have 3 young keepers, 3 senior keepers and no side entered into the reserve leagues with just the occasional reserve game arranged. how else do you think they are going to improve as players? we can have the best coaches in the world but match experience is invaluable for a players developement... and they are currently showing they are good keepers.

As for Weale... are you forgetting this man was wanted by Tottenham last season? Have you ever heard of something called a drop in form? Should Man Utd sack all thier Coaches because Rooney had a bad season? Yet he is definitely on the road to recovery... awful first half of the season though for Rooney. Ricardo hadnt played first team football for a while before joining us either....

There is so much that can effect a players performance aswell as their coaching... confidence, homelife, personal problems a good run in the team.. Sven had picked Ricardo for 9-10 games solid ... did you expect Weale to come in and play like Shilton?. he was 2/3rd choice at Bristol City before he joined us.... don't forget that... I feel so sorry for Ricardo.. not saying he is a great keeper but as Weale shared the players are very aware that the fans have been chanting against Ricardo in games.... How the hell is the guy supposed to gain any confidence as a keeper when people are chanting for him to be dropped? do people not have ANY idea how this would effect someone? you can receieve the best coaching in the world but if your fans... who are supposed to support you are chanting against you... well it would destroy me thats for sure...

[Darkon84]

THANK YOU !

Seriously, I have got my coat and I'm out of here. I'm just glad that the many posters on this subject have entered into the spirit of things so well and we have had such a good discussion on the merits of Mike Stowell !

Not THAT many got in to the spirit of things, I think more thought you were being an idiot. I see your point, to an extent, but the way you went about it was just stupid.

[Babylon]

Completely relevant question by the thread starter

The question about his coaching ability, yes. The question about being a talent spotter, no.

He's not a scout, end of story. Pearson signed Weale and Sven signed Ricardo.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Getting back to seriousness (briefly)... can a bad coach (in ANY field) make a good performer worse? Surely the worst they can do is fail to improve them?

Class will out.

[Darkon84]

Getting back to seriousness (briefly)... can a bad coach (in ANY field) make a good performer worse? Surely the worst they can do is fail to improve them?

Class will out.

Stowell performed jedi mind tricks on them and made them crap. Did you know Weale almost signed for Real Madrid until he came to us

[BrummieFOX]

THANK YOU !

Seriously, I have got my coat and I'm out of here. I'm just glad that the many posters on this subject have entered into the spirit of things so well and we have had such a good discussion on the merits of Mike Stowell !

Relevant, but as this guy said...

The question about his coaching ability, yes. The question about being a talent spotter, no.

He's not a scout, end of story. Pearson signed Weale and Sven signed Ricardo.

[bald reynard]

Not THAT many got in to the spirit of things, I think more thought you were being an idiot. I see your point, to an extent, but the way you went about it was just stupid.

It was irony again !

I agree, I think people thought I was an idiot. I also agree that I went about in the wrong way - I should never have put the word 'Scout' in the title thread and I should never have used the phrase 'talent spotter'. In fact, if you look at my initial question in detail, I wasn't asking for people's thoughts on Stowell's scouting ability; but, was asking if others think he is a good Coach and contributes to the club's goalkeeping strength ?

I think it's clear that I don't think he's a good Coach and I think he can't do the job. Poor goalkeeping this season has (almost !) wiped out our chances of the play-offs - and I think Stowell needs to share part of the blame for that. He should go, as I'm sure some (if not all) of our 'keepers from this season, will go !

That's my opinion.

I AM now out of here.

[Babylon]

It was irony again !

I agree, I think people thought I was an idiot. I also agree that I went about in the wrong way - I should never have put the word 'Scout' in the title thread. In fact, if you look at my initial question in detail, I wasn't asking for people's thoughts on Stowell's scouting ability, but:-

a) what role did they think he was doing at the club and

b) was he a good Coach ?

I think it's clear that I don't think he's a good Coach and I think he can't do the job. Poor goalkeeping this season has (almost !) wiped out our chances of the play-offs - and I think Stowell needs to share part of the blame for that. He should go !

That's my opinion.

I AM now out of here.

I think our problems are down to a bit more than Stowell and the keepers, judging by how often our defence is all over the place I'd be more inclined to point fingers at the defensive coach at the moment.

[Darkon84]

It was irony again !

I agree, I think people thought I was an idiot. I also agree that I went about in the wrong way - I should never have put the word 'Scout' in the title thread and I should never have used the phrase 'talent spotter'. In fact, if you look at my initial question in detail, I wasn't asking for people's thoughts on Stowell's scouting ability; but, was asking if others think he is a good Coach and contributes to the club's goalkeeping strength ?

I think it's clear that I don't think he's a good Coach and I think he can't do the job. Poor goalkeeping this season has (almost !) wiped out our chances of the play-offs - and I think Stowell needs to share part of the blame for that. He should go, as I'm sure some (if not all) of our 'keepers from this season, will go !

That's my opinion.

I AM now out of here.

Fair enough. Either way, there needs to be a shake up of sorts in the goalkeeping and defensive areas, both players and staff. I think thats something we can all agree on

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Did Stowell shag your missus or something?

Look at the league Ambrusics and Logan are playing in.

Look at Weale last season in this league.

Now take a good look at yourself in the mirror and slap yourself silly.

Well said StanSP

[Alexikokopops]

Getting back to seriousness (briefly)... can a bad coach (in ANY field) make a good performer worse? Surely the worst they can do is fail to improve them?

Class will out.

Sure if a coach is telling a sportsman the wrong thing about positioning/training schedules/technique and the like then it can have a detrimental affect on their performance quite easily?

[MattyFromLE]

Sure if a coach is telling a sportsman the wrong thing about positioning/training schedules/technique and the like then it can have a detrimental affect on their performance quite easily?

Technically true, but; if the "trainee" doesn't see the advantage in changing his technique - as a human he can disagree and just not do it?!

[Alexikokopops]

Technically true, but; if the "trainee" doesn't see the advantage in changing his technique - as a human he can disagree and just not do it?!

Well yes, of course, but alternatively the trainee could trust the guy who's supposedly a professional at improving sportsmen in an attempt to improve himself.

Obviously I'm talking hypothetical here, this isn't about Stowell

[sphericalfox]

Well yes, of course, but alternatively the trainee could trust the guy who's supposedly a professional at improving sportsmen in an attempt to improve himself.

Obviously I'm talking hypothetical here, this isn't about Stowell

This could easily be said about the Sousa experiment. Players not listening or not capable of wanting to listen about changing the way they play or techniques of playing. Amazing how readily they were able to adopt these techniques when Sven came along.