Guest Basildon Fox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 When he shows some remorse and apologises for what he has done, then I'll think about not hating him while playing for my club. Hes had 14 convictions, he may have changed, he may have not, but what if we sign him and 2 months in he breaks the law again? Personally I don't want him here, but its up to Sven. Then I am certain that he would have his contract terminated with immediate effect due to gross misconduct. Like him or hate him, doesn't really come in to it. If he has changed then great. He would improve our team for definite and his recent history with Coventry would suggest that he has not had any recent problems.
hackneyfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 In case this got lost earlier, here's my summary:I think there are few things in this. 1. To support an ex-offender in rebuilding their career is positive. 2. To respect the individual on a personal level is choice. 3. Not to employ somebody on the basis of having a criminal record for a job not made subject to the '74 Rehabilitation of Offenders Act is unfair. If Sven believes he's worth it, in terms of footballing value, bearing mind the investment Sven will have to make in man management and the effect of a player on the wider dressing room, then I will support the decision to employ. I reserve the right on a personal level and as a supporter, not to chant his name, not to promote him as a role model for young people, not to respect him as a person until he proves otherwise, and to make critical comment as I see fit upon his performance as a footballer. Sven and the wider Club will also reserve the right to terminate his contract if he brings the club into public disrepute. No Nick, we read it and chose to ignore it.
hackneyfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I wonder how many of our holier-than-thou fans would like to have Leicester City fans with convictions removed from the stands. They shouldn't be allowed to stand near them and their children. These people have no morals and should be made stand in the middle of the pitch and apologise for their previous actions, future actions, and anything inbetween! They should then have their season tickets revoked and removed from the stadium NEVER to return, but make them wear some sort of armband so that we can see them from afar. We only want the best of the person linked or associated with our club! I hadn't noticed that I was paying £30 to watch the fans or that I was paying them a salary of 10k a week. I hope your blog makes more sense than this ridiculous post.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 In case this got lost earlier, here's my summary:I think there are few things in this. 1. To support an ex-offender in rebuilding their career is positive. 2. To respect the individual on a personal level is choice. 3. Not to employ somebody on the basis of having a criminal record for a job not made subject to the '74 Rehabilitation of Offenders Act is unfair. If Sven believes he's worth it, in terms of footballing value, bearing mind the investment Sven will have to make in man management and the effect of a player on the wider dressing room, then I will support the decision to employ. I reserve the right on a personal level and as a supporter, not to chant his name, not to promote him as a role model for young people, not to respect him as a person until he proves otherwise, and to make critical comment as I see fit upon his performance as a footballer. Sven and the wider Club will also reserve the right to terminate his contract if he brings the club into public disrepute. This post about sums up my feeling on the matter. Can't argue with any of it
Kitchandro Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I wonder how many of our holier-than-thou fans would like to have Leicester City fans with convictions removed from the stands. They shouldn't be allowed to stand near them and their children. These people have no morals and should be made stand in the middle of the pitch and apologise for their previous actions, future actions, and anything inbetween! They should then have their season tickets revoked and removed from the stadium NEVER to return, but make them wear some sort of armband so that we can see them from afar. We only want the best of the person linked or associated with our club! The fans pay their money, the players money. Football players like King, who were given a gift to play football, and should repay society by setting a good example with their behaviour on and off the pitch. How is that comparable?
sphericalfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I hadn't noticed that I was paying £30 to watch the fans or that I was paying them a salary of 10k a week. I hope your blog makes more sense than this ridiculous post. It was supposed to be ridiculous hackney. I'm taking some the posts that have been made and taking it to the next level. If you didn't get the tone of the post then I'm going to apologise directly to you, and perhaps the others who might have missed it. I understand that some people have their views. I quite agree with NICK which has been re-posted. If you don't get my humour that is fine.
sven-your-smiling Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 if he score 20+ goals in his first season. im sure everyone will soon forget about his fumble in a night club
Kitchandro Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 You could always focus on other things like how's it's good to forgive and good to give someone another chance in life. IF someone is making an effort to change their own life. I think you (or someone) else may have said earlier, what if it was your girlfriend/wife he'd hit. Of course I would probably feel differently. But what if he was your friend/brother. If he's changed and really trying to be a better person, would you want society to keep him as an outcast. Or would you want someone to give them a chance to get a job and live a normal life? I don't care if he's had other chances, I'm talking about now. Without sitting down and talking to the bloke you just don't know what his attitude is now and whether he is doing things to change etc. I can completely understand people not wanting him here. There really isn't an argument to be had with anyone who would rather not have someone with convictions here, and visa versa. Some of the nonsense in this thread though with people continuously calling him a rapist (libelous) and saying he doesn't deserve to be alive is just ridiculous. Similarly people having a go a someone for not wanting to attend games with him here, also as idiotic. I didn't say what would you think if it was your girlfriend/wife, I actually think that is irrelevant to the debate - what I would say is that I don't need to empathise with King, I have no reason to, and that is irrelevant also. As I have said earlier we are not desperate for players, we should have a large number of options in terms of strikers to buy in the summer. Whilst it is a fair argument that it is good to forgive people, I'm afraid that isn't the way a lot of people will see it, and I can understand that. You say you don't care if he's had other chances but that is in fact very relevant. And whilst a couple of people have claimed it, I am yet to see any real evidence (quotes etc) that he has shown remorse for his actions. As for sitting down and meeting him, I don't think you can suggest that meeting him for an hour long conversation would be sufficient to judge a person. A few of his teammates/managers, one of which was Aidy Boothroyd, have been quoted as saying he's always been a top bloke etc. Several managers have obviously been able to work well with him and have got a tune out of him. However 14 offences suggests that they don't really know him, if that's what they truly think (and on national TV, with people watching who very much dislike him, they are not compelled to say what a good bloke he is). Anyway, you've said you can understand people not wanting him here, so I've wandered off a bit... If your main point is that he's not a rapist and deson't deserve to live then I'd fully agree.
hackneyfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 It was supposed to be ridiculous hackney. I'm taking some the posts that have been made and taking it to the next level. If you didn't get the tone of the post then I'm going to apologise directly to you, and perhaps the others who might have missed it. I understand that some people have their views. I quite agree with NICK which has been re-posted. If you don't get my humour that is fine. I just didn't see which direction the post was going in and Nick just comes over as being a bit straight laced about it all, people are allowed to have an opinion that may not line up with whichever law he states. This ia afterall OUR football club that we're talking about, we're allowed to be emotional about it.
hackneyfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 if he score 20+ goals in his first season. im sure everyone will soon forget about his fumble in a night club This is the kind of stupid comment that we can do without. How amusing belittling a sexual and violent assault as a 'fumble'.
sphericalfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 The fans pay their money, the players money. Football players like King, who were given a gift to play football, and should repay society by setting a good example with their behaviour on and off the pitch. How is that comparable? That was my exaggerated pishtake response. My other response is more comparable. Scroll upwards and you shall read it.
AlphaMaleFox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 just saw a clip of cardiff's mcnaughton clattering into sian massey today, she took a nasty hit. mcnaughton just walked off, didnt even look back. = worse than marlon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypqRHva5TQ
Larry_LCFC Posted 3 May 2011 Author Posted 3 May 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypqRHva5TQ I swear he actually changes direction like he actually meant to run into her
sphericalfox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MypqRHva5TQ I've watched a couple of times but I didn't see anything of the groping that Marlon is a criminal of. Sure he gave her a good shove, but clearly her compatriot found it very amusing. But then again we all love it when linesman(sorry referee's assistants) get clattered.
Dan Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I hope that woman who is always on coach one is boycotting, like, that big woman who's at every game with her mum, utter nobhead she is.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I am sure this club has female employees working in offices etc. How many of them are going to quit if M.K. does come here? I think we all know the answer to that. NONE!
ta-fc Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 is it me or is this massively over the top for a player we MIGHT sign? If we do sign him register your protest then but 13 pages of speculation seems a bit much!
STEVIE B Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 is it me or is this massively over the top for a player we MIGHT sign? If we do sign him register your protest then but 13 pages of speculation seems a bit much! No,it's not just you. I'd be very surprised if we,or any club would make a move for him,knowing his recent history.Plus Cov gave him a lifeline and it seems he has turned his back on them.I know loyalty in football is rare,but he should've shown a little more,IMO.
North-LondonFox Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I think the club should probably avoid the guy. I have read about his case and its pretty awful, if we can't turn our back on people like that then we can't claim to be a good club. Winning games is not the be all and end all, I think it is important to maintain some morals. Perhaps I am being unfair on the guy, but he was at Barnet as the same time as some of my friends and they said he was trouble.
shade Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I've never hit a woman, been in a serious fight, raped or pillaged. I expect the same from someone who pulls on a Leicester shirt.
Corky Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 I am sure this club has female employees working in offices etc. How many of them are going to quit if M.K. does come here? I think we all know the answer to that. NONE! Being a supporter is much different to being an employee.
Danno Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 Shit fans if you ask me. Done his time so move on. Would be good here but id prefer maynard or graham etc
Webbo Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 Tbh I don't really have any strong feelings on this. I was impressed with him as a player against us for Cov but I can understand if some people have a moral objection.
Ajax Treesdown Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 Let the f***ers stay away. Let the real fans get behind the TEAM.
Nationwider Posted 3 May 2011 Posted 3 May 2011 He's the wrong side of 30, with a questionable injury record. His goalscoring record at Championship level is decent, but nothing special. With the money available to us, I'd like to think we could do better. I'd rather have the Yak plus one of any number of talented younger strikers over King on footballing grounds alone. I reckon either the owners or the manager will draw the same conclusions. The agents will be buzzing round City like flies around shit during post-season. We'll be an obvious target for Marlon King's people, who will no doubt be feeding the media to boost the guy's profile. An early association with Leicester will no doubt get the attention of clubs that like to take a punt on a temperament like Marlon's while he's a free man transfer. I don't watch City 'live' these days, so I've already imposed my own boycott of sorts on the club. Having said that, I wouldn't want him to sign on any grounds, footballing or otherwise. Wise's Footballing Law of Immutability - 'a cúnt will always be a cúnt'
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