shen Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Hmmm. All I was saying was, in the heat of the moment, if Ricardo drops a clanger, then Marlon King scores a winner in the play off final, which would you cheer? Ricardo because he's not a criminal? And you'd boo King's play off winner because a few years ago he committed some crimes? Now I don't know you, but I'd wager you'd cheer pretty loudly for the latter, and not so much for the first istance. Yes everyone's got morals saying supporting and cheering a guy convicted of numerous offences is a bit wrong, but come 3pm on a Saturday, when he's playing for YOUR team, most would forget them, rightly or wrongly in your eyes. You know what? I don't know him, and I apologise to him if I'm way off with my assumption, but judging by his quite sincere comments I think he'd be furious at Ricardo for dropping a clanger and all kinds of expletives will be yelled at him, just like a certain Frenchman last year around this time. He will be disappointed and probably wouldn't mind seeing the back of Ricardo. But that's that. He won't be feeling gutted that he supports Leicester because Ricardo dropped a ball. But he will have mixed emotions at best if King is in the team, plays and scores the last minute winner and I bet that he will feel embarrassed and gutted afterwards that it would be a thug like King who'd steal the glory of such a wonderful occasion for the club. That's how I would feel for sure.
Father Ted Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 you and father ted can **** right off. I love leicester and no matter how shit we may be i'll still be there but i draw the line at having sub-human scum such as marlon king playing for my club, the fact that i won't be happy about him playing for us and that i won't support him does not make me less of a supporter like you seem to be suggesting. This has got nothing to do with how good a supporter a person is, just their morals & beliefs. So what would you do if he signed?
darko2k7 Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 All this arguing now will mean nothing 6 months down the line if we do sign him , people will forget about it or other issues with the club will take over. It's the way it always goes just like it did a coventry i bet there was a twin thread ln their forum but now you hear nothing about it in the media or on the boards . I for one don't wont him here 20 or a million goals a season wont change that . He should never be aloud to breath again never mind play football . Dirty scum of the earth rapist
The Doctor Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Well i'd keep going because the club isn't just marlon king and i doubt i'd be able to stay away even if i intended to boycott - i'd just only support 10 of the players on the pitch.
ajthefox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Why is it scary? Im not going to suddenly go and support man utd if we got relegated or we signed marlon king or if the club does a wimbledon or a Boston. Ive supported them all of my life and I will never change. I'm not so sure scary was the best word but I think the point is that just as you can't help falling in love with the club, it's possible that you could fall out of love with the club too. It seems a mad idea to me and to many others I'm sure, but when you take football down to the basics of 11 men who you don't know and can't identify with that run around a piece of grass chasing a ball, it too is quite mad considering thousands of people spend hundreds of pounds a year on it.
ScouseFox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 You know what? I don't know him, and I apologise to him if I'm way off with my assumption, but judging by his quite sincere comments I think he'd be furious at Ricardo for dropping a clanger and all kinds of expletives will be yelled at him, just like a certain Frenchman last year around this time. He will be disappointed and probably wouldn't mind seeing the back of Ricardo. But that's that. He won't be feeling gutted that he supports Leicester because Ricardo dropped a ball. But he will have mixed emotions at best if King is in the team, plays and scores the last minute winner and I bet that he will feel embarrassed and gutted afterwards that it would be a thug like King who'd steal the glory of such a wonderful occasion for the club. That's how I would feel for sure. Fair play if that's how you'd feel. Not sure how I'd feel if it happened, but my original comment was aimed at him saying people were wrong to boo Ricardo and cheer King. Whilst in the stadium on a match day as he's running through on goal, what King did nearly 3 years ago away from football wouldn't be at the forefront of my mind, i'd be thinking more "he's gonna score, we're gonna win" etc. I wouldn't be thinking "must boo him, must boo him, don't act pleased he's going to score, he hit a woman a while back, hope he misses so i can boo". From 5pm on a Saturday to about half 2 the next Saturday, I'd be similar to most on here, thinking I would prefer it if someone with numerous convictions wasn't leading the attack for the club I love, but come a match, I wouldn't be thinking "my morals are fcuked, why am I not booing my own man for 90 minutes".
Kitchandro Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 You know what? I don't know him, and I apologise to him if I'm way off with my assumption, but judging by his quite sincere comments I think he'd be furious at Ricardo for dropping a clanger and all kinds of expletives will be yelled at him, just like a certain Frenchman last year around this time. He will be disappointed and probably wouldn't mind seeing the back of Ricardo. But that's that. He won't be feeling gutted that he supports Leicester because Ricardo dropped a ball. But he will have mixed emotions at best if King is in the team, plays and scores the last minute winner and I bet that he will feel embarrassed and gutted afterwards that it would be a thug like King who'd steal the glory of such a wonderful occasion for the club. That's how I would feel for sure.
hackneyfox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 All this arguing now will mean nothing 6 months down the line if we do sign him , people will forget about it or other issues with the club will take over. It's the way it always goes just like it did a coventry i bet there was a twin thread ln their forum but now you hear nothing about it in the media or on the boards . I for one don't wont him here 20 or a million goals a season wont change that . He should never be aloud to breath again never mind play football . Dirty scum of the earth rapist They still get fairly heated about King. http://www.gmkonline.com/?page=forum&forum_id=6&thread_id=21189 And he isn't/wasn't a rapist.
Larry_LCFC Posted 2 May 2011 Author Posted 2 May 2011 TBF, I doubt they actually meant that they'd be boycotting the Club for ever. I think they just meant whilst King was playing for us. It seems odd to me (if it is true, it's only rumours) that a Club so desperate to uphold a 'family Club' image, would sign somebody like Marlon King. Fans can be banned for life for pitch invasions you know.... "never attend matches again" Seems pretty definate to me. Look we're clearly never going to agree. But thats what makes a good discussion and in a way its nice to see some passion back on FT about something. For me a lifelong boycott is an over-reaction because then your letting King take something away that you enjoy. Its about balancing footballing interests and morals in order to keep everyone happy. I for one will attend whatever happens. I guess for others its different.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 This has come up again and my point of view remains the same. I couldn't support him as a player, I could chant his name, I'd feel weird after I'd celebrated him scoring. I don't respect him as a person and that would continue if he were to play for us. About sums it up for me... I think he'd probably score goals for us, but it would feel strange having him here..can't really put it any better than that
Finnegan Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 They still get fairly heated about King. And he isn't/wasn't a rapist. No, he's a thirteen or fourteen time repeat offender with numerous charges for violence against women who has clearly illustrated he lacks respect for both their sex and the law.
hackneyfox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Don't sign him and then everyone can attend and support all 11 players.
gazfox9 Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 I'll happily admit to voting yes in this poll. As a professional footballer, part of your responsibility is being a role model. Unfortunately if I took my young son to see matches with King playing, and he turns round and says daddy can i have king #9 on my shirt, well I wouldn't fancy explaining to him why its a definate no. I certainly wouldn't boycott the club for life, but I will be holding back on buying my season ticket for the time being until kings future becomes clearer. I'm obviously in the minority with my view, however it seems morals in football are becoming more and more non-existant with each passing season.
Kitchandro Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Fair play if that's how you'd feel. Not sure how I'd feel if it happened, but my original comment was aimed at him saying people were wrong to boo Ricardo and cheer King. Whilst in the stadium on a match day as he's running through on goal, what King did nearly 3 years ago away from football wouldn't be at the forefront of my mind, i'd be thinking more "he's gonna score, we're gonna win" etc. I wouldn't be thinking "must boo him, must boo him, don't act pleased he's going to score, he hit a woman a while back, hope he misses so i can boo". From 5pm on a Saturday to about half 2 the next Saturday, I'd be similar to most on here, thinking I would prefer it if someone with numerous convictions wasn't leading the attack for the club I love, but come a match, I wouldn't be thinking "my morals are fcuked, why am I not booing my own man for 90 minutes". I'm actually really not sure how I'd react in the heat of the moment if he scored. All I'm saying is that now, without the matchday nerves and emotion, I would not like King to sign. And on reflection, if he did score for us, I would have wished it was someone else. I was more pointing out that whilst I've not thought Ricardo to be anywhere near good enough for us, I was very disappointed with my fellow Leicester fans booing him. He was booed because he wasn't doing a good job. When you boo, you might be caught up in the anger, but you definitely think about it before you do it. It is not a natural reaction to boo like cheering is. I'm not having a go at anyone who would cheer him, I'm saying that from the comments on here some people seem to think being a good footballer excuses them being a bad/unlikeable person, and that you deserve worse treatment if you're not as good at football as that individual. Maybe I should have worded it better
cairnsy Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Don't want to see the bloke signed but either way I will still support the club
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 I'm actually really not sure how I'd react in the heat of the moment if he scored. All I'm saying is that now, without the matchday nerves and emotion, I would not like King to sign. And on reflection, if he did score for us, I would have wished it was someone else. I was more pointing out that whilst I've not thought Ricardo to be anywhere near good enough for us, I was very disappointed with my fellow Leicester fans booing him. He was booed because he wasn't doing a good job. When you boo, you might be caught up in the anger, but you definitely think about it before you do it. It is not a natural reaction to boo like cheering is. I'm not having a go at anyone who would cheer him, I'm saying that from the comments on here some people seem to think being a good footballer excuses them being a bad/unlikeable person, and that you deserve worse treatment if you're not as good at football as that individual. Maybe I should have worded it better That was worded very well and I agree
shen Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Hes one player fgs. What about every other player in the team? What about the club? Saying your not going to watch them ever again if he signs is silly whether its based on principles or not. What about the bigger picture. Leicester City does not revolve around Marlon sodding King. Say he signs and stays for just one season. Does that mean you can never watch them again based on the fact that he once played for us? He committed some terrible crimes. He was punished and he has done nothing since he left prison. Believe me i dont want him anywhere near the club but he would be nothing but a small fish in a big pond as far as im concerned. The club revolves around the fans and the members of the club. Usually the fans are pretty vocal and explicit about this. She is a fan, and she will not compromise her morals and support a player whom she cannot forgive. She would rather give up Leicester City FC than support someone like Marlon King. That is a strong statement and if her allegiance is to be believed, it is a sacrifice she makes with her deepest regret, but one that she feels she must make to protect her own integrity. I applaud that. You can watch LCFC all you want, but she obviously doesn't feel that the club and her moral values correspond if we sign him, so why should she be part of such a club? Again, I can relate to people not really paying much attention to the goings on at the club if it is just a pass-time interest, but I cannot relate to people putting results and a football squad (not even a club) ahead of their personal integrity. LCFC is not the be all and end all of life, and if it is, I sincerely suggest you see a shrink. And take Ted with you Why is it scary? Im not going to suddenly go and support man utd if we got relegated or we signed marlon king or if the club does a wimbledon or a Boston. Ive supported them all of my life and I will never change. If Sven/TOP/Marlon asked you to jump off a bridge, I'd anticipate that you do it.
ScouseFox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 I'm actually really not sure how I'd react in the heat of the moment if he scored. All I'm saying is that now, without the matchday nerves and emotion, I would not like King to sign. And on reflection, if he did score for us, I would have wished it was someone else. I was more pointing out that whilst I've not thought Ricardo to be anywhere near good enough for us, I was very disappointed with my fellow Leicester fans booing him. He was booed because he wasn't doing a good job. When you boo, you might be caught up in the anger, but you definitely think about it before you do it. It is not a natural reaction to boo like cheering is. I'm not having a go at anyone who would cheer him, I'm saying that from the comments on here some people seem to think being a good footballer excuses them being a bad/unlikeable person, and that you deserve worse treatment if you're not as good at football as that individual. Maybe I should have worded it better Agree with that really. But the fact remains that, for some fans, him bagging goals for us would cloud their judgement. As said, I'd probably rather we steered clear and went for Maynard/whoever, but if the worst comes to the worst and he signs, i'd support him on a matchday and then feel bad about it for the rest of the week.
jonthefox Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 The way i see it is simple. The mans a cnut and i wouldnt be his mate for a pension, but whoever wears the shirt gets my support.
Kitchandro Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 "never attend matches again" Seems pretty definate to me. Look we're clearly never going to agree. But thats what makes a good discussion and in a way its nice to see some passion back on FT about something. For me a lifelong boycott is an over-reaction because then your letting King take something away that you enjoy. Its about balancing footballing interests and morals in order to keep everyone happy. I for one will attend whatever happens. I guess for others its different. I'm not sure, maybe, maybe she worded it wrong, I don't know. I do agree, I would say a lifelong boycott is an over-reaction. But I'm not a woman and I don't have young children, so I don't know if that makes them feel stronger. Maybe they would lose all respect for the Club, again I don't really know exactly how they feel.
Finnegan Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Of course it's hyperbole, I'm reasonably confident she meant "whilst he's here."
lcfcadam Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Don't sign him and then everyone can attend and support all 11 players. Seems like a rather simple and effective solution when you put it like that.
shen Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 "never attend matches again" Seems pretty definate to me. Look we're clearly never going to agree. But thats what makes a good discussion and in a way its nice to see some passion back on FT about something. For me a lifelong boycott is an over-reaction because then your letting King take something away that you enjoy. Its about balancing footballing interests and morals in order to keep everyone happy. I for one will attend whatever happens. I guess for others its different. This is already a whole lot more reasoned. The thing that I disagree with here and the crux of the matter: It's not King taking anything away from her, it's the club taking it away. After all, plenty of other players and decent people out there the club could sign. We're not forced to sign him. It would be a choice and a choice that quite clearly would disenchant her. The club is very big, has many members and being such a focal point of the community is also responsible to act properly. It should be striving to be a shining example of how to get people together for joyous occasions and be something that all its members can be proud of. The footballing side is only one part of this.
Larry_LCFC Posted 2 May 2011 Author Posted 2 May 2011 This is already a whole lot more reasoned. The thing that I disagree with here and the crux of the matter: It's not King taking anything away from her, it's the club taking it away. After all, plenty of other players and decent people out there the club could sign. We're not forced to sign him. It would be a choice and a choice that quite clearly would disenchant her. The club is very big, has many members and being such a focal point of the community is also responsible to act properly. It should be striving to be a shining example of how to get people together for joyous occasions and be something that all its members can be proud of. The footballing side is only one part of this. Maybe. But the club is signing him solely on footballing capability. They want to sign someone that can fire us to the top. If the lady feels she cannot attend because of him then is that not him taking it away from her?
shen Posted 2 May 2011 Posted 2 May 2011 Maybe. But the club is signing him solely on footballing capability. They want to sign someone that can fire us to the top. If the lady feels she cannot attend because of him then is that not him taking it away from her? That's the excuse any 'club' will give you when they sign someone with a tainted reputation. The fact they even have to explain and defend their position means they know they are compromising moral values of parts of their fanbases. I'd hope that our club has a bit more class than that and will be disappointed if an alternative isn't found.
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