Danno Posted 4 June 2011 Author Posted 4 June 2011 Sick of some of these ***** who couldn't give a flying **** if they play for england. I'd genuinly give anything to play
Ozwin Posted 4 June 2011 Posted 4 June 2011 We are so average it's untrue. We've had a team full of players who simply can't play together for so long that they're stuck in a rut and can't get out of it. We play the dullest football known to man. I bet if you asked the rest of the world what they thought of the English side they'd instantly call us boring. Admittidly we've brought a few players in recently which is cool but it needs an overhaul imo. The amount of times over the years I've seen Terry get the ball, pass it to Rio only for him to hoof it up the pitch Wayne Brown style is ridiculous. Drop the pair of them, drop Lampard who's ****ing useless and is literally still in the team because he can score penalties, drop Barry, drop Gerrard and start a fresh. The Brazil managers doing it iirc, he's bringing in loads of youth (yeah I know our youth isn't quite as good but whatever) and if we want to stand a chance in the future we should start now. Why bother playing with 30+ players who won't even be in the team in 3 years at the World Cup? Push some of the U21s up and let's see how it goes. Obviously you need a manager who's going to instigate this though, easier said than done.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Potential's a great word that allows for all kinds of failure in the future to be blamed on an unspecified manager/ system. With the players coming through, it's not an excuse. There's a tonne of potential among the yoots.
Guest Bilo Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 I have to say I've never been so disillusioned with international football. I'm sick and tired of watching players who are world class for their clubs but don't seem to have a clue when they step onto a pitch. Capello lost the dressing room at the World Cup and the team was simply an embarrassment from around five minutes after Gerrard's opener against the USA and the slide has yet to be arrested. We're dropping silly points at home against teams we should be brushing aside, especially considering in the WC2010 we were hammering the Croats 5-1 at home and 4-1 away. That qualifying run was exceptional, and we booked our place so easily. Now though, we're going to do well to win the group against Montenegro. Yes, Montenegro. A nation in only its second qualifying competition, a remarkable achievement for them but severely embarrassing for a nation that played in the first ever international. Personally I think Capello needs to step down. If not now, certainly after Euro 2012. We can and should still qualify, though this has more to do with how poor the other teams have been rather than England's own talents. We do need an Englishman with passion (yes, that word again) to give the players fire in their bellies as Sosban said. There's no fight out there at the moment, and we need someone who won't be afraid to bruise egos and blood some more youngsters. It's no coincidence that Wilshere was among the better players on the pitch yesterday. For new players, I'll be watching the U21s tournament with interest because that's exactly where we need to be looking now. With that in mind, I actually think the new England manager was on the bench with Capello yesterday. Pearce is English, has the passion and knows the young players better than anyone. He'd be a popular choice too.
Webbo Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Personally I think Capello needs to step down. If not now, certainly after Euro 2012. He is.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 As a neutral observer (mind you as i type this i'm wearing an england shirt) but i believe that your players are ridiculusly over rated. The players you have may play in the best leaugue in the world but with the exception of Gerrard and Rooney none of them are even star players for the top 4-5 clubs in the epl. Players like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc when playing at club level are used to having quality players around them but when it comes to England matches they don't have those quality players around them they get found out. It's like the old saying average players look good in a good side but average players in an average side look average. That's just my observation.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 An Aussie in an England shirt. Just wrong. Wear it to the gym every now and again
Webbo Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Ridiculous over reaction on here as always when England fail to win (and even some times when they do win). We drew with a not terrible team at the end of a long hard season with some key players missing after a couple of flukey goals conceded and an open goal missed. It wasn't a great performance admitted but to read some of the comments on here you'd think we'd just been thrashed by Albania.
bigjohn Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 England are the "Aston villa" of international football . Look good on paper, worse on grass Still top the group tough
purpleronnie Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Ridiculous over reaction on here as always when England fail to win (and even some times when they do win). We drew with a not terrible team at the end of a long hard season with some key players missing after a couple of flukey goals conceded and an open goal missed. It wasn't a great performance admitted but to read some of the comments on here you'd think we'd just been thrashed by Albania. But webbo we constantly play poorly and never achieve you can't blame fans for being down on the team, especially with a performance like that. You can keep defending () the players and coming up with excuses but we simply aren't very good.
Webbo Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 But webbo we constantly play poorly and never achieve you can't blame fans for being down on the team, especially with a performance like that. You can keep defending () the players and coming up with excuses but we simply aren't very good. Spain lost to Switzerland whereas we got a draw, does that mean Spain aren't very good? We're not the best team in the world but we're probably 1 of the top 10/12 countries. That's better than average and it's better than "not very good".
purpleronnie Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Spain lost to Switzerland whereas we got a draw, does that mean Spain aren't very good? We're not the best team in the world but we're probably 1 of the top 10/12 countries. That's better than average and it's better than "not very good". Spain did lose to the swiss but did you see the match it was completely one sided and no way did spain deserve to lose, compare that to yesterday do you think we deserved to win? I doubt it. And of course the one major difference is that spain always play well and win tournaments, we do neither. Not very good can still mean good, and thats where we are. If you mean that people should get perspective and understand a draw with the swiss is a decent result for a team like england I agree, and I hope that lowered epectation continues and the hype dies down because the team don't deserve it.
Maybes Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 The managers selections are outrageous. Leaving Young and Downing out of the side to play out of form Walcott and Milner. Pathetic.
MC Prussian Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Spain lost to Switzerland whereas we got a draw, does that mean Spain aren't very good? We're not the best team in the world but we're probably 1 of the top 10/12 countries. That's better than average and it's better than "not very good". That may be, but the teams ahead of you in the top 10 usually progress further in tournaments, because they have the quality that England are lacking/have been lacking for 45 years: Brazil Argentina Spain Netherlands Germany Uruguay Portugal (based on last year's WC, but not just)
shen Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Drop some of the big names and see what happens. It will either send out a message that they'd understand or both parties will be better off.
shailen Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 I think blaming the manager for yesterdays performance is wrong. He picked the team that we all wanted to see, except for ashley young, and its simple they didnt perform. Maybe key players were missing(gerrard and rooney) but thats no excuse for the performance. I do blame the manager for the world cup, to an extent, but since then anything that had gone wrong is down to players performances.
lcfcadam Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 The BBC match report is hilariously opinionated given the supposed neutrality it professes to have... Capello mystifyingly left Ashley Young out despite a match-winning display in the Euro 2012 qualifier win in Wales in March and he only underlined the folly of the decision by emerging as substitute at half-time and striking a fine equaliser six minutes after coming on. Capello watched in frustration as England defended poorly and failed to provide any ammunition or support for Bent until after the break - but he was the architect of his own problems. The selection of James Milner ahead of Young was the product of muddled thinking and the absence of Peter Crouch - with 22 goals in 42 England appearances - from even the substitutes' bench was also a surprise. Capello's choice of Milner ahead of Young was close to inexplicable but smacked of unnecessary caution The second was even more calamitous, with the wall formed by Walcott and Milner breaking hopelessly and Hart reduced to an awkward attempt to kick Barnetta's effort away from his near post, an effort that ended in embarrassing failure. Young's second-half show only highlighted Capello's errors in selection and he almost got his second when he reached Milner's pull back, but could not trouble Benaglio.
Haydos Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 The managers selections are outrageous. Leaving Young and Downing out of the side to play out of form Walcott and Milner. Pathetic. Walcott > Downing. Milner over Young was ridiculous but the only pathetic thing is how Downing has made it this far in football without kicking a ball with his right foot.
Haydos Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 The BBC match report is hilariously opinionated given the supposed neutrality it professes to have... Quite refreshing from the BBC tbh. Bit of honesty and genuine journalism to that. What's the point in writing some unbiased crap about an English international. It's something that we are all united on.
davieG Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 The BBC match report is hilariously opinionated given the supposed neutrality it professes to have... Being neutral doesn't prevent you from having an opinion as long as it's clear that's what it is or telling it as it is they are journalists after all, I doubt there are many that aren't in agreement with all of that was written. Leastwise I didn't find it hilarious but then that's just my opinion
MC Prussian Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Peter Crouch has hinted at his retirement from the English National Squad with immediate effect. Left to roast on the bench against Switzerland - 22 goals in 42 matches, usually scores at Wembley.
The Doctor Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Peter Crouch has hinted at his retirement from the English National Squad with immediate effect. Left to roast on the bench against Switzerland - 22 goals in 42 matches, usually scores at Wembley. Crouch is the new england chef then?
MC Prussian Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Crouch is the new england chef then? Imagine him handling the grill - robo-style. Someone give the guy the spatula he deserves.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 June 2011 Posted 5 June 2011 Walcott > Downing. Milner over Young was ridiculous but the only pathetic thing is how Downing has made it this far in football without kicking a ball with his right foot. Downing, for me, is a better option than Walcott. To be honest, I think Walcott has been nothing short of shit for England, bar that night in Zagreb. Can't cross for shit, and it's debatable whether or not he's actually even a bigger goal threat than Downing. Watching Theo yesterday reminded me of when SWP used to play for us, there was no penetration and next to no decent crosses into the box. Downing would've supplied that, his left foot is sweet as a nut, and he's also a lot more capable of forming a link between midfield and attack. Walcott has pace to burn, but never applies it in the right manner. His biggest asset is never fully used. I've never been a huge Stuart Downing fan, but he brings more to the table than the likes of Milner and Walcott. That said, I think Adam Johnson left wing, and Ashley Young on the right would be a very, very tidy set up.
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