bald reynard Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Give the abortive attempts to sign Maynard and the increasingly outrageous (and silly) prices being quoted for Long - and all the other failed (or not followed up) bids for other strikers - do people think that Sven might be regretting 'pulling out' (as reported) of his pursuit of CMS ? £3 million (I think that's what Brighton paid ?) seems a reasonable price for a proven goalscorer - and I bet he'll get a hatful of goals for them this season. It seems that we'll be paying (at least) twice as much, for someone who won't score many (or any !) more - and we shouldn't forget, that Mackail-Smith has a reputation for setting up just as many goals for other players. PS No doubt there'll be a few on here, who'll be saying just the same, about the Yak !
m00nie Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Give the abortive attempts to sign Maynard and the increasingly outrageous (and silly) prices being quoted for Long - and all the other failed (or not followed up) bids for other strikers - do people think that Sven might be regretting 'pulling out' (as reported) of his pursuit of CMS ? £3 million (I think that's what Brighton paid ?) seems a reasonable price for a proven goalscorer - and I bet he'll get a hatful of goals for them this season - it seems that we'll be paying (at least) twice as much, for someone who won't score many (or any !) more (and not forgetting CMS's record of setting up goals for other players). who actually reported he pulled out?? wasnt it just rumours as usual ? past is the past now. no point dwelling anyway
Beeza Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Give the abortive attempts to sign Maynard and the increasingly outrageous (and silly) prices being quoted for Long - and all the other failed (or not followed up) bids for other strikers - do people think that Sven might be regretting 'pulling out' (as reported) of his pursuit of CMS ? £3 million (I think that's what Brighton paid ?) seems a reasonable price for a proven goalscorer - and I bet he'll get a hatful of goals for them this season - it seems that we'll be paying (at least) twice as much, for someone who won't score many (or any !) more (and not forgetting CMS's record of setting up goals for other players). No.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Sven seems to have a habit of 'pulling out' of long haired blondes
cc_star Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 I think Sven was using interest in CMS in a failed attempt to force brizzle's hand in Maynard, just like the South African left back and Liverpool over Konchesky I would have liked to see him here to be honest and given the sums floating around for others could have been a good bit of business
Andy Hargreaves Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 im sure if we get long no one on hear will be moaning , hes gonna be class if we get him
shen Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 The full details of the CMS deal collapsing is not really known to us. If Sven did indeed pull out, he won't regret having done it. The striker hunt has been a bit frustrating, but there's still time and it's not like the options we have are useless. Let's see at the end of the season whether Sven will have reasons to regret CMS not coming here.
Houdini Logic Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Didn't CMS basically say he always wanted to go Brighton and just kept quiet for a bit to try and drive up the price from stupid clubs like our own. I may have completely made that up
bald reynard Posted 4 August 2011 Author Posted 4 August 2011 I think Sven was using interest in CMS in a failed attempt to force brizzle's hand in Maynard, just like the South African left back and Liverpool over Konchesky I would have liked to see him here to be honest and given the sums floating around for others could have been a good bit of business I agree. I think you're right that it was part of a ploy to get Maynard - but it drastically backfired. A few people have said that Sven isn't a natural 'wheeler-dealer' (like Harry R) - and that seems to be case in this instance. I thought not getting CMS was a mistake at the time - and certainly believe that now. Those that say, "trust in Sven", must be crossing their fingers !
Andy Hargreaves Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 CMS is only proven in league 1 not in championship id prefer long or maynard anyday who will actually do the job for us upfront
TheUltimateWinner Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Sven has no regrets. He lives life to the full.
bald reynard Posted 4 August 2011 Author Posted 4 August 2011 im sure if we get long no one on hear will be moaning , hes gonna be class if we get him Yeah, but my point is that we'd be paying (at least) twice as much. I'd put (good) money on the fact that Long won't score twice as many goals as CMS (that's if he stays in the Championship of course !) - or contributes twice as much to overall team play (or goal-scoring opportunities for other players) !
thybluefox Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 I've spoken to people ITK and I'm pretty sure I know what went on, although none of us can be 100%. Basically the way I understand it is that we'd given him a take it or leave it offer, but made it clear to him that he wouldn't be our main striker. Brighton then came in and said they'd build the attack around him and unsurprisingly he went for that.
Babylon Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Yeah, but my point is that we'd be paying (at least) twice as much. I'd put (good) money on the fact that Long won't score twice as many goals as CMS (that's if he stays in the Championship of course !) - or contributes twice as much to overall team play (or goal-scoring opportunities for other players) ! You haven't got a scooby doo how many either will set up or score. CMS is hardly proven at this level either.
bald reynard Posted 4 August 2011 Author Posted 4 August 2011 who actually reported he pulled out?? wasnt it just rumours as usual ? past is the past now. no point dwelling anyway True, we don't really know what happened. It would be a good question for the next Monday 'moan-in' with Sven though, wouldn't it ?!
Fox92 Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 CMS is only proven in league 1 not in championship That can easily change though. Take Steve Morison for example who jumped up to League 1 from non league and scored loads for Millwall, them scored a fair amount for them in the Championship last season and is now in the Premier League with Norwich. I'd rather have Maynard or Long, but in my opinion, Mackail-Smith has the potential to be a decent/good Championship striker.
Babylon Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 That can easily change though. It can, but it hasn't. The facts are Long proved himself last year in this league, CMS hasn't
johnnyleicester Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 CMS is a legend. Easily one of my favoruite FL players. Would have been an incredible signing, The boy literally doesn't stop running for the whole 90 minutes and I reckon he would have scored 20 goals for us this season as well. Pretty gutted we didn't get him but to be honest I'm not all that arsed about bringing in the likes of Long or (especially) Maynard. Had a feeling for a while now that this will be Waggy's coming of age season and I'd happily give him til Jan to show what he can do.
21st Century Fox Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Long has far more potential to make it in the Premiership in the longer term than CMS would have.
MrSpaM Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Give the abortive attempts to sign Maynard and the increasingly outrageous (and silly) prices being quoted for Long - and all the other failed (or not followed up) bids for other strikers - do people think that Sven might be regretting 'pulling out' (as reported) of his pursuit of CMS ? £3 million (I think that's what Brighton paid ?) seems a reasonable price for a proven goalscorer - and I bet he'll get a hatful of goals for them this season. It seems that we'll be paying (at least) twice as much, for someone who won't score many (or any !) more - and we shouldn't forget, that Mackail-Smith has a reputation for setting up just as many goals for other players. CMS's scoring record was no better than Fryatt's was when he was here, i'm not too fussed about not landing him tbh as long as we get someone better in instead.
FallenAngel Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Originally i would have said it was a mistake not getting him in but I have to say now I'm more excited to see if we can get Jong, although not proven here, he is an exciting prospect, I don't give two hoots about maynard anymore, and I actually feel hopeful that this season will be one to bring Waggy more into the frame, I'm hopeful anyway
Fox92 Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 It can, but it hasn't. The facts are Long proved himself last year in this league, CMS hasn't I'd prefer Long over Mackail-Smith, but to be honest, Mackail-Smith has played in the Championship for one season (in a poor team as well) where he scored 10 goals. Shane Long has had four seasons in the division and has managed to score more than 10 goals once (last season, where he scored 23 goals). Mackail-Smith may establish himself as a Championship striker yet, who knows, although he is three years older than Long. I don't think Sven will be regretting the chance to buy Mackail-Smith though, but with the reports I read, it sounded like he wanted to join Brighton anyway.
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2011 Posted 4 August 2011 Give the abortive attempts to sign Maynard and the increasingly outrageous (and silly) prices being quoted for Long - and all the other failed (or not followed up) bids for other strikers - do people think that Sven might be regretting 'pulling out' (as reported) of his pursuit of CMS ? £3 million (I think that's what Brighton paid ?) seems a reasonable price for a proven goalscorer - and I bet he'll get a hatful of goals for them this season. It seems that we'll be paying (at least) twice as much, for someone who won't score many (or any !) more - and we shouldn't forget, that Mackail-Smith has a reputation for setting up just as many goals for other players. PS No doubt there'll be a few on here, who'll be saying just the same, about the Yak ! Is there any single point to this thread?
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